nixluva wrote:The Media antagonism over the Luke Walton thing is just more evidence of why the Knicks dislike the NY Media. They have a VERY anti Knick slant and it only hurts the team. You can't do or say anything without these media clowns taking digs. Isola really digs in hard and almost never balances out his articles with anything positive the Knicks do. There are valid points to bring up but they take it way too far.

Contrary to what the Media and some fans try to present the NY job is actually a good job. It's not a team with too many kids or too many old guys. It's a pretty balanced roster and hopefully with the right FA guards they can improve the backcourt and you could have a much better team. The Frontcourt is pretty set, so you know what you've got there.

If what Phil said is true and these reports about Luke have been false. And we have no reason to believe Phil is lying here. Y would any coach want to come here other then to get a massive paycheck. And of course we can only get quality coaches by having to offer boat loads of money because wholat coach would want to deal with this nonsense. Y would a young guy like Luke want to expose himself to the NY media. He already got ppl making stuff up. Imagine if he were to actually take the job.

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nixluva wrote:The Media antagonism over the Luke Walton thing is just more evidence of why the Knicks dislike the NY Media. They have a VERY anti Knick slant and it only hurts the team. You can't do or say anything without these media clowns taking digs. Isola really digs in hard and almost never balances out his articles with anything positive the Knicks do. There are valid points to bring up but they take it way too far.

Contrary to what the Media and some fans try to present the NY job is actually a good job. It's not a team with too many kids or too many old guys. It's a pretty balanced roster and hopefully with the right FA guards they can improve the backcourt and you could have a much better team. The Frontcourt is pretty set, so you know what you've got there.

If what Phil said is true and these reports about Luke have been false. And we have no reason to believe Phil is lying here. Y would any coach want to come here other then to get a massive paycheck. And of course we can only get quality coaches by having to offer boat loads of money because wholat coach would want to deal with this nonsense. Y would a young guy like Luke want to expose himself to the NY media. He already got ppl making stuff up. Imagine if he were to actually take the job.

Just think, this team improved 15 games without a top guard. I think the impact of upgrading the guard spots can be even more than we saw this year. I can imagine that Phil will go to the Max for a top guard. He may not be successful but I suspect he's gonna try his best to get DeRozan or another upgrade at guard for this team.

anrst wrote:i feel bad for anyone that thinks that Grant/Wroten means we are set at the point guard spot.

I don't remember anyone ever saying anything like that. I do think there's way more potential with those 2 young guards. They need to be developed. I think the main thought is that Phil is going to look for a stud at guard in Free Agency. It's gonna be tough getting one to come here which is why you have to also attempt to develop your own young talent.

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Media antagonism over the Luke Walton thing is just more evidence of why the Knicks dislike the NY Media. They have a VERY anti Knick slant and it only hurts the team. You can't do or say anything without these media clowns taking digs. Isola really digs in hard and almost never balances out his articles with anything positive the Knicks do. There are valid points to bring up but they take it way too far.

Contrary to what the Media and some fans try to present the NY job is actually a good job. It's not a team with too many kids or too many old guys. It's a pretty balanced roster and hopefully with the right FA guards they can improve the backcourt and you could have a much better team. The Frontcourt is pretty set, so you know what you've got there.

If what Phil said is true and these reports about Luke have been false. And we have no reason to believe Phil is lying here. Y would any coach want to come here other then to get a massive paycheck. And of course we can only get quality coaches by having to offer boat loads of money because wholat coach would want to deal with this nonsense. Y would a young guy like Luke want to expose himself to the NY media. He already got ppl making stuff up. Imagine if he were to actually take the job.

Well other than the money is the opportunity to actually be the coach that wins in NY. People forget that it's WONDERFUL to win in NY. Phil has to sell coaches on his plan for improving the team and really part of the job is already done in terms of having KP. If you have a franchise big then you need a top guard to pair with him and you should be able to win with those spots covered. So I don't think it would be that hard to convince a coach of the chances for this team to get a lot better.

Just think, this team improved 15 games without a top guard. I think the impact of upgrading the guard spots can be even more than we saw this year. I can imagine that Phil will go to the Max for a top guard. He may not be successful but I suspect he's gonna try his best to get DeRozan or another upgrade at guard for this team.

There is no reason for the media to have to turn this into a circus. Now any slim chance of Walton being interested is probably shot due to him getting an early taste of the circus.

Phil hasn't yet turned on the full court press in terms of his pitch to coaches.

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newyorker4ever wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Really this guy rebuilt the Knicks something none of our past gm's have been able to do ... We are one superstar away from contending for a chip we already have one of the best front courts in the NBA. Grant and worton make me not worried about the pg spot... Let's see if Phil can get a all star 2 guard to want to come and play with the next superstar in kp and another star in melo

Demarr
Turner
Resigning Thomas and dwill if opt out

If Phil can accomplish those four moves we will be contending next year for the chip.

How many years have Knicks fans been saying that we need to stop throwing all our money and giving bad contracts out to every player that's any kind of name in the NBA and build this team the right way?? We finally get a GM/president in here that has went the way of the rebuild and doing it knowing they're gonna hear all the BS from the fans and media for a couple/few years until we have a good young team and the fans and media are shytting all over Phil for it. In two years from now there's a really good chance that we have a team that will be a playoff team and hopefully more for multiple years. I know the waiting sux and going through these last couple of years sux to but i really believe Phil has this team on the right track and if we can be patient for two more years or even just be patient through next year cause there's a chance that in the 2017 off season we could be getting that final piece we'll need and be ready to compete in the 2017/18 season.

Patience people patience. We're not as far away as a lot of people seem to think we are.

If planned out right the Knicks could throw money at a FA(Derozan or Conley) and still have cap flexibility next yr. Not that these things will happen but its not the same situation as the past.

Either way your taking a risk. If you do nothing you have more cap space but will be harder to attract FAs to a perennial loser. Trying to grab something this yr to show FAs improvement and team on the rise is just as necessary.

Safe route to go would be a stop gap G/F and buy a 2nd rder for another G/F.

When we say build a winner I suspect some may assume making the playoffs is how it's defined. I think from Phils perspective, a winner implies your reaching Conference finals. Thus, overtaking an aging Miami, Indiana, Cavs and Toronto is his objective and he realizes that without both a system and talent he simply won't get there

Paris907 wrote:Your safe gap is Melo agreeing to a trade with the Bulls for rose and Noah - as they're both on 1 year contracts. A coup would be including Jose and bringing back Portis.

Puff puff give, man. You gotta share that **** you're smoking.

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Phil Jackson has decided to coach the Knicks…at least for a couple of days.

The Knicks embattled team president is running a clandestine mini-camp this week in New York with a handful of current players, the Daily News has learned. According to a league source, the two practices are being described as a "triangle seminar" where Jackson and interim head coach Kurt Rambis will watch film and continue teaching the Knicks an offense that Jackson is intent on running despite many of the player's reluctance to embrace the antiquated system.

Not every player will attend the camp. It is unclear if Carmelo Anthony, who did not sound pleased following his exit meeting with Jackson last week, will participate. Newly signed Tony Wroten is expected to attend along with rookies Kristaps Porzingis and Jerian Grant as well as Langston Galloway and Jose Calderon.

That Jackson is running the camp is further proof that he is not budging from his belief that the best and only system for the Knicks to run is the triangle. Rambis' inclusion also bodes well for the coach who is Jackson's preferred choice to be named full-time coach.

And despite Jackson reaching out to Luke Walton and reportedly being interested in David Blatt, it is clear that whoever he hires as coach will run the offense that he is teaching the players this week.

Last summer, Jackson and Derek Fisher were at odds over the triangle with Fisher wanting to tweak the system and run more pick and rolls early in the offense. Jackson, however, insisted on running the team his way and eventually fired Fisher. Jackson even admitted that Fisher was not following the advice of two assistant coaches that Jackson had hired to help him run the triangle, Rambis and Jim Cleamons.

It was a stunning admission since it is rare for any coach, even a second year head coach, to be forced to follow the advice of his assistant coaches. Rambis was originally brought into to teach the offense but he and Fisher were at odds over how the team should be run.

Although the Knicks were 22-22 at one point last season under Fisher and despite Rambis having a lower winning percentage than Fisher, Jackson praised his long-time friend for being committed to the triangle.

Kurt Rambis is also attending the mini-camp, which bodes well for the interim coach.
KATHY WILLENS/AP
Kurt Rambis is also attending the mini-camp, which bodes well for the interim coach.
"They had an immersion in the triangle," Jackson said last week. "When Kurt started coaching the team they started executing it with more structure. We saw some progress. But we have to make the next step. We have a limited amount of resource that we can deal with. If you're in an arms races and you go out and get a hydrogen bomb and it may not be enough and you got to go plutonium.

"It's great if you get in an arms race. We're not in an arms race. We're in a skills race. So that's what we're working toward: getting players skilled enough to perform in this game. Unfortunately we can't go out and the Lakers and some other team may have $60 million to chase with. That's not where we're at. We're about getting quality skill players."

Jackson became overly sensitive when reporters asked him to respond to critics of the triangle.

"There are critics? Who are these people? Why would people even say that?" he said. "Do they have 11 championships to show you when they talk about that?"

It was the first sign that Jackson was beginning to crack under the pressure of 49-115 record over two years. He also seemed to be on edge and a little off when he responded to reports on Monday that he had spoken with Walton about the Knicks head coaching job and that Walton, as the Daily News reported, was not interested in the position as of now.

Jackson denied that he had offered the job to anyone and that no one has turned him down. Two problems: no one reported that Jackson offered the job to Walton or that Walton gave him a flat out no. By noon Monday, ESPN confirmed the Daily News report by claiming that Jackson had told Knick employees that he expected Walton to remain with the Golden State Warriors.

One reason many coaches are turned off by the Knicks job, despite the prestige and financial windfall, is that they don't want a job where Jackson is coaching the team from the 10th row. And if Jackson demands that any coach inherits Rambis, that could be awkward since Fisher was forced to hire Rambis, who eventually replaced him.

But it's clear that Jackson is more comfortable coaching than scouting and talking to agents of players. That may be another reason he's running the camp: to satisfy his coaching pang. And his ego.

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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Not sure what this is about. If accurate is Afflalo there?

Phil Jackson has decided to coach the Knicks…at least for a couple of days.

The Knicks embattled team president is running a clandestine mini-camp this week in New York with a handful of current players, the Daily News has learned. According to a league source, the two practices are being described as a "triangle seminar" where Jackson and interim head coach Kurt Rambis will watch film and continue teaching the Knicks an offense that Jackson is intent on running despite many of the player's reluctance to embrace the antiquated system.

Not every player will attend the camp. It is unclear if Carmelo Anthony, who did not sound pleased following his exit meeting with Jackson last week, will participate. Newly signed Tony Wroten is expected to attend along with rookies Kristaps Porzingis and Jerian Grant as well as Langston Galloway and Jose Calderon.

That Jackson is running the camp is further proof that he is not budging from his belief that the best and only system for the Knicks to run is the triangle. Rambis' inclusion also bodes well for the coach who is Jackson's preferred choice to be named full-time coach.

And despite Jackson reaching out to Luke Walton and reportedly being interested in David Blatt, it is clear that whoever he hires as coach will run the offense that he is teaching the players this week.

Last summer, Jackson and Derek Fisher were at odds over the triangle with Fisher wanting to tweak the system and run more pick and rolls early in the offense. Jackson, however, insisted on running the team his way and eventually fired Fisher. Jackson even admitted that Fisher was not following the advice of two assistant coaches that Jackson had hired to help him run the triangle, Rambis and Jim Cleamons.

It was a stunning admission since it is rare for any coach, even a second year head coach, to be forced to follow the advice of his assistant coaches. Rambis was originally brought into to teach the offense but he and Fisher were at odds over how the team should be run.

Although the Knicks were 22-22 at one point last season under Fisher and despite Rambis having a lower winning percentage than Fisher, Jackson praised his long-time friend for being committed to the triangle.

Kurt Rambis is also attending the mini-camp, which bodes well for the interim coach.
KATHY WILLENS/AP
Kurt Rambis is also attending the mini-camp, which bodes well for the interim coach.
"They had an immersion in the triangle," Jackson said last week. "When Kurt started coaching the team they started executing it with more structure. We saw some progress. But we have to make the next step. We have a limited amount of resource that we can deal with. If you're in an arms races and you go out and get a hydrogen bomb and it may not be enough and you got to go plutonium.

"It's great if you get in an arms race. We're not in an arms race. We're in a skills race. So that's what we're working toward: getting players skilled enough to perform in this game. Unfortunately we can't go out and the Lakers and some other team may have $60 million to chase with. That's not where we're at. We're about getting quality skill players."

Jackson became overly sensitive when reporters asked him to respond to critics of the triangle.

"There are critics? Who are these people? Why would people even say that?" he said. "Do they have 11 championships to show you when they talk about that?"

It was the first sign that Jackson was beginning to crack under the pressure of 49-115 record over two years. He also seemed to be on edge and a little off when he responded to reports on Monday that he had spoken with Walton about the Knicks head coaching job and that Walton, as the Daily News reported, was not interested in the position as of now.

Jackson denied that he had offered the job to anyone and that no one has turned him down. Two problems: no one reported that Jackson offered the job to Walton or that Walton gave him a flat out no. By noon Monday, ESPN confirmed the Daily News report by claiming that Jackson had told Knick employees that he expected Walton to remain with the Golden State Warriors.

One reason many coaches are turned off by the Knicks job, despite the prestige and financial windfall, is that they don't want a job where Jackson is coaching the team from the 10th row. And if Jackson demands that any coach inherits Rambis, that could be awkward since Fisher was forced to hire Rambis, who eventually replaced him.

But it's clear that Jackson is more comfortable coaching than scouting and talking to agents of players. That may be another reason he's running the camp: to satisfy his coaching pang. And his ego.

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/SBondyNYDN/status/722205938837532673

Not sure what this is about. If accurate is Afflalo there?

Phil Jackson has decided to coach the Knicks…at least for a couple of days.

The Knicks embattled team president is running a clandestine mini-camp this week in New York with a handful of current players, the Daily News has learned. According to a league source, the two practices are being described as a "triangle seminar" where Jackson and interim head coach Kurt Rambis will watch film and continue teaching the Knicks an offense that Jackson is intent on running despite many of the player's reluctance to embrace the antiquated system.

Not every player will attend the camp. It is unclear if Carmelo Anthony, who did not sound pleased following his exit meeting with Jackson last week, will participate. Newly signed Tony Wroten is expected to attend along with rookies Kristaps Porzingis and Jerian Grant as well as Langston Galloway and Jose Calderon.

That Jackson is running the camp is further proof that he is not budging from his belief that the best and only system for the Knicks to run is the triangle. Rambis' inclusion also bodes well for the coach who is Jackson's preferred choice to be named full-time coach.

And despite Jackson reaching out to Luke Walton and reportedly being interested in David Blatt, it is clear that whoever he hires as coach will run the offense that he is teaching the players this week.

Last summer, Jackson and Derek Fisher were at odds over the triangle with Fisher wanting to tweak the system and run more pick and rolls early in the offense. Jackson, however, insisted on running the team his way and eventually fired Fisher. Jackson even admitted that Fisher was not following the advice of two assistant coaches that Jackson had hired to help him run the triangle, Rambis and Jim Cleamons.

It was a stunning admission since it is rare for any coach, even a second year head coach, to be forced to follow the advice of his assistant coaches. Rambis was originally brought into to teach the offense but he and Fisher were at odds over how the team should be run.

Although the Knicks were 22-22 at one point last season under Fisher and despite Rambis having a lower winning percentage than Fisher, Jackson praised his long-time friend for being committed to the triangle.

Kurt Rambis is also attending the mini-camp, which bodes well for the interim coach.
KATHY WILLENS/AP
Kurt Rambis is also attending the mini-camp, which bodes well for the interim coach.
"They had an immersion in the triangle," Jackson said last week. "When Kurt started coaching the team they started executing it with more structure. We saw some progress. But we have to make the next step. We have a limited amount of resource that we can deal with. If you're in an arms races and you go out and get a hydrogen bomb and it may not be enough and you got to go plutonium.

"It's great if you get in an arms race. We're not in an arms race. We're in a skills race. So that's what we're working toward: getting players skilled enough to perform in this game. Unfortunately we can't go out and the Lakers and some other team may have $60 million to chase with. That's not where we're at. We're about getting quality skill players."

Jackson became overly sensitive when reporters asked him to respond to critics of the triangle.

"There are critics? Who are these people? Why would people even say that?" he said. "Do they have 11 championships to show you when they talk about that?"

It was the first sign that Jackson was beginning to crack under the pressure of 49-115 record over two years. He also seemed to be on edge and a little off when he responded to reports on Monday that he had spoken with Walton about the Knicks head coaching job and that Walton, as the Daily News reported, was not interested in the position as of now.

Jackson denied that he had offered the job to anyone and that no one has turned him down. Two problems: no one reported that Jackson offered the job to Walton or that Walton gave him a flat out no. By noon Monday, ESPN confirmed the Daily News report by claiming that Jackson had told Knick employees that he expected Walton to remain with the Golden State Warriors.

One reason many coaches are turned off by the Knicks job, despite the prestige and financial windfall, is that they don't want a job where Jackson is coaching the team from the 10th row. And if Jackson demands that any coach inherits Rambis, that could be awkward since Fisher was forced to hire Rambis, who eventually replaced him.

But it's clear that Jackson is more comfortable coaching than scouting and talking to agents of players. That may be another reason he's running the camp: to satisfy his coaching pang. And his ego.

Thanks for posting the article. It has the usual daily news negative slant but Phil getting involved in teaching has to be seen as a good thing and might be a positive if Rambis is to remain the head guy. One other thing, Jose is there. Jose was also mentioned by Phil as one of 'their' favorite players at his press conference on Thursday. I think Jose is back next year.

Regarding the article, I too felt the unnecessary digs. The Triangle isn't some ancient and out of date offense. Not when top teams still use it today in one form or another. IMO the fact that so many media really believe they know better than Phil is astounding to me. Nearly every Elite player in the league was in the league when Phil last won a Title in LA!!! It wasn't so long ago that the game isn't the same at all. GS skews things tremendously in the minds of most people. NO ONE plays like GS.

The other issue is that somehow Phil is coaching from the 10th row. He pretty much left Fish alone! He didn't force Fish to listen to Rambis. The thing is Fish was a rookie with no experience and so Phil naturally expected that Fish would be open to help from the experienced assistants he provided. Phil wants to be able to trust his coach and if any new coach doesn't want to run the Triangle then they won't come. Contrary to popular belief many coaches don't have a set offensive system they run. Many rely on offensive assistants for a lot of the X's and O's.

Also I see nothing wrong if Phil wants to scratch his coaching itch and teach his players. Dude is legitimately a great coach. It can only help.