nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

Won't that depend on the player? We got players to come last summer when the team only won 17 games. We didn't really get out of hand with the contracts we offered either.

I'm not expecting miracles considering the W/L record and Media perception, but I think that there are players who will see NY as a very nice landing spot. The Frontcourt is set!!! They need a couple of guys to believe they would be the difference makers for this team. Most quality players believe in themselves that way.

If none of the top targets come this team will still have cap space for the following summer and that won't stop the team from again making some incremental progress next season. If they can make a 10-15 game improvement that would show that the team is on the rise.

who did we outbid last season for our players? I don't remember Afflalo or Lopez getting offers that they turned down for ours. And of course we don't need to mention the two big stinkers koq and seph.

We will need to badly overpay a guard this year and just pray and pray a lot.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

Won't that depend on the player? We got players to come last summer when the team only won 17 games. We didn't really get out of hand with the contracts we offered either.

I'm not expecting miracles considering the W/L record and Media perception, but I think that there are players who will see NY as a very nice landing spot. The Frontcourt is set!!! They need a couple of guys to believe they would be the difference makers for this team. Most quality players believe in themselves that way.

If none of the top targets come this team will still have cap space for the following summer and that won't stop the team from again making some incremental progress next season. If they can make a 10-15 game improvement that would show that the team is on the rise.

who did we outbid last season for our players? I don't remember Afflalo or Lopez getting offers that they turned down for ours. And of course we don't need to mention the two big stinkers koq and seph.

We will need to badly overpay a guard this year and just pray and pray a lot.

You say we'll have to overpay for a guard but doesn't that really depend on who we'd target? What would constitute "badly overpay" anyway? It's highly dependent on who we sign and what their value is. It's gonna be hard to determine accurate values this summer. Last year there were some outrageous contracts handed out.

smackeddog wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:There are some decent wings we can nab that aren't world beaters but would be good contributors.

The question though is balancing everything out. Jerien Grant at the moment and Tony Wroten can't really shoot and are both question marks but are who we are relying on to step up in penetration. Evan Turner's playmaking is a must but he can't really shoot as well. Does Wroten cancel out the need for a Turner? Doubt we could count on him though

Jared Dudley is a must regardless imo. Turner or Lee to pair with Dudley would be good but it all depends on Grant and Wroten. If they step up then Lee is the better fit. If they can't then Turner would be the better fit.

Didn't Dudley say he didn't want to go to NY a couple of seasons ago when there were rumors of us trying to trade for him? (when he was on the Suns- I think for Shumpert)- I remember because the deal ended up not happening and instead in the offseason the Clippers traded Bledsoe to the Suns for essentially Dudley- I always wondered if maybe that could have been us if only we'd traded For Dudley a few months earlier.

I believe they got Redick in that trade also Dudley is not really a fan of Melo. Plus, I don't trust older players like him that do not commit to being in the best shape they can be.

Anyway, he'll likely end up a Spur

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

exactly

Top players choose winning nearly every single time, or they stay where they are. There is nothing attractive about the NY Knicks right now. We arent a winning team, we don't even have a coach. We don't even have a max slot to offer a player, so we really cant overpay anyone but role players.

BRIGGS wrote:These names I'm hearing. Jared Dudley Courtney Lee Harry's Baylee's etc. you'd rather have these retreads than curry

It all depends on price. The vets may be cheaper since they lack the upside. Currys agent meanwhile will probably look to up his price due to his upside. But he is t a sure thing and if he flops after he gets paid then you would be wishing you went after that cheaper stop gap vet.

Phil will have to do his job which I'm sure he has been evaluating all season to make these educated guesses.

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

exactly

Nix is a rather delusional poster. KP Melo and Rolo are good for a 30 win team, but only one of those players have potential to get significantly better, while one is actually on a decline and the other is at best peaked. That's not attractive.

Top players choose winning nearly every single time, or they stay where they are. There is nothing attractive about the NY Knicks right now. We arent a winning team, we don't even have a coach. We don't even have a max slot to offer a player, so we really cant overpay anyone but role players.

I'm just wondering how it is you get in the minds of free agents because it's pretty impressive that someone on a message board would know what every free agent in the NBA is thinking?? Please do tell??

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

Phil just said that he's been contacted by agents saying they have players that want to come play with KP and i don't think Phil would be lying about that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

Phil just said that he's been contacted by agents saying they have players that want to come play with KP and i don't think Phil would be lying about that.

Is this sarcasm? What GM will say that no one is interested? FAs generally contact us just to drive their price up. As long as we have cap space, of course players will contact us. D Jordan, Monroe, Aldridge, and probably many others contacted us last summer.

Do you have any way of proving that every single free agent that says they'd be interested in the Knicks are only saying it to drive their price up in free agency?? I'll answer that for you because there's obviously no way you could ever have that proof. This has been going on for a while now that every time a bigger name free agent shows any interest in the Knicks but ends up signing elsewhere everyone turns right to saying they only showed interest to get other teams to offer more money which is ridiculous to say every free agent does that to the Knicks even though some do but those some do it to a lot of teams not just the Knicks.

newyorker4ever wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

exactly

Nix is a rather delusional poster. KP Melo and Rolo are good for a 30 win team, but only one of those players have potential to get significantly better, while one is actually on a decline and the other is at best peaked. That's not attractive.

Top players choose winning nearly every single time, or they stay where they are. There is nothing attractive about the NY Knicks right now. We arent a winning team, we don't even have a coach. We don't even have a max slot to offer a player, so we really cant overpay anyone but role players.

I'm just wondering how it is you get in the minds of free agents because it's pretty impressive that someone on a message board would know what every free agent in the NBA is thinking?? Please do tell??

Firstly I'm not someone on a message board, I merely post on one. but to answer your question is really simple. Just look around the NBA. Don't top players choose winning, don't a lot of the other stay home?

Ohhhhhh so you're just making assumptions and making it sound like you know but you really don't......i get it now.

I love how he also KNOWS RoLo has peaked and can't get any better! Love how KP, MELO n RoLo are only good enough for a 30 win team no matter who we add or how much KP improves! Glad to know Knickscity already knows the ceiling on KP! I'm delusional but he's f'n Nostradamus!!!

nixluva wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knickscity wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Hopefully, like last year the cap will be a few million more but NY's cap space is not really the issue, it's the FA class, league wide cap flexability, and NYs lack of attractiveness that are issues.

The results of the Playoffs could really create some opportunities for the Knicks. Failure in the Playoffs has a way of making guys sour on their current situation. That could happen and maybe shake a few guys loose from their teams even tho they had a better record than NY. We'll see.

It might also be a year when the Knicks just go hard after young up and coming Restricted Free Agents. The Cap going up kind of works against the Knicks this time but they might have to be creative and aggressive. Unless Phil is fine with only minor moves and standing down until the 2017 Free Agent Market.

Failing in the playoffs is going to make them so sour on their current situation that they'd rather go to the 7th worst team in the league?

I know it seems counter intuitive but I think a player could be convinced that things would get significantly better in NY if they joined KP, MELO and RoLo. This is where the selling of the plan comes in. KP is going to get better! We have a very good Frontcourt and Role players. The issue is not enough talent in the starting Backcourt.

Even one good guard can have a huge impact. Take Isaiah Thomas or Kyle Lowry away from their teams and see how much it effects them. The right player added to the Knicks starting lineup could have a huge impact.

sorry but this is a pipe dream. The only way a player would want to come to NY now is if the knicks offer much more than the market value of a player.

All being equal ... the knicks are a very undesirable looking destination for a FA.

exactly

Nix is a rather delusional poster. KP Melo and Rolo are good for a 30 win team, but only one of those players have potential to get significantly better, while one is actually on a decline and the other is at best peaked. That's not attractive.

Top players choose winning nearly every single time, or they stay where they are. There is nothing attractive about the NY Knicks right now. We arent a winning team, we don't even have a coach. We don't even have a max slot to offer a player, so we really cant overpay anyone but role players.

I'm just wondering how it is you get in the minds of free agents because it's pretty impressive that someone on a message board would know what every free agent in the NBA is thinking?? Please do tell??

Firstly I'm not someone on a message board, I merely post on one. but to answer your question is really simple. Just look around the NBA. Don't top players choose winning, don't a lot of the other stay home?

Ohhhhhh so you're just making assumptions and making it sound like you know but you really don't......i get it now.

I love how he also KNOWS RoLo has peaked and can't get any better! Love how KP, MELO n RoLo are only good enough for a 30 win team no matter who we add or how much KP improves! Glad to know Knickscity already knows the ceiling on KP! I'm delusional but he's f'n Nostradamus!!!

It's really quite comical really. Rolo grew this year especially on offense and i would think will work on his offensive game in the off season so he should be even better next year and KP is growing every day.