StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:read some quotes. He doesn't plan on interviewing anyone he does not know...

The triangle is it, love it or not, that's what he was brought here for

rambis is a candidate

Thibs is not..

Players around the league want to play with KP and Melo

more soon to come

Going to be hard to get 3 legit guards with no draft picks

i still dont know what the hell they were thinking with the bargnani trade. Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him for nothing even taking back a bad contract and we give them a unprotected lottery pick. Only the knicks

If Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him then there's no way in hellz that anyone (even James Dolan) would offer up a 1st round pick for him so that's obviously not true.

maybe but from what it seemed nobody was offering much for him. We all know the knicks areknown for bad trades and im sure other teams know that as well. Luckily i think those days are over and we will keep our picks from now on

And just exactly how is that you would know what any team is offering for any player since that's not something that gets leaked??

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:read some quotes. He doesn't plan on interviewing anyone he does not know...

The triangle is it, love it or not, that's what he was brought here for

rambis is a candidate

Thibs is not..

Players around the league want to play with KP and Melo

more soon to come

Going to be hard to get 3 legit guards with no draft picks

i still dont know what the hell they were thinking with the bargnani trade. Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him for nothing even taking back a bad contract and we give them a unprotected lottery pick. Only the knicks

If Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him then there's no way in hellz that anyone (even James Dolan) would offer up a 1st round pick for him so that's obviously not true.

maybe but from what it seemed nobody was offering much for him. We all know the knicks areknown for bad trades and im sure other teams know that as well. Luckily i think those days are over and we will keep our picks from now on

And just exactly how is that you would know what any team is offering for any player since that's not something that gets leaked??

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Glad I got to listen. He enjoyed poking fun at Berman.

not every media article has to be positive. Lets be honest we havent exactly earned much praise for the past 15 years. [b]When you win you get positive articles[/b]

Huh? WTF is this about. He called out Berman and teased him about gambling in Vegas. Lets be honest you thought this didn't fit your agenda.

agenda? Crush please dont start. I thought we have moved past this. My only point was that we should ignore the media thats all

Why would you say anything about articles if you watched that press conference. It totally was about the stuff you post all the time.

thats bull****. I havent mentioned articles in god knows how long. I thought you and i were cool i guess i was wrong

See bolded in reference to Phil teasing Berman about losing money at the tables in Vegas. How article came into the conversation is a mystery to me but it goes along with what you post.

not really a big deal crush. People keep mentioning negative artilcles in other threads so i just responded to it. Anyway its over now

crush is just doing his job policing sh1t

No. Just responded to a really strange response to my saying Phil was poking fun at Berman. I get if you don't want to listen to the 16 minute press conference but I don't get why you respond out of context. Phil calling out Berman for losing money in Vegas was awesome in my opinion.

If you were fair and balanced in regards which posters you police than it would be easier to stomach. You would never call out a flag waver for one of these types of egregious acts now would you? Just sayin ...

Do you mean knick fans?

thought we were all knick fans ... thats what you extrapolated? I thought that people want fair and balanced views?

At 70+ years you have no interest (or a very hard time) in learning anything new or adapting to the pace of the young generation.

Most ppl age 32 and up have a hard time adjusting to the fact that tight cloths are in. Im in that bracket and it took me atleast 2 yrs to finally give in and start shopping fitted instead of loose.

Thats where phil is at with his triangle philosophy, and vision. It took him 3 seasons to acknowledge and PRAISE the GSW for there style of play and accomplishments.

So he is at a point in his life where things should run the way he ran it and was super successful at it, never mind the day and age..

The one thing i have learn in the past 10 yrs is that you absolutely have to stay current, and can never stop learning until the day you die, or you will live your life wishing things where the way they use to be, not saying you have to act like the younger generation, but you need to be current.

As long as phil is our GM, we will take super baby steps. He is hell bent on proven the triangle will work without 2 top 5 players.

Sounds like he is ready to flip the roster for a 3rd straight season, just another season of players learning the in's and outs of a out dated system.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I actually agree with Phil that part of the problem in NY is the Press. Too many of these guys write with a very nasty and sarcastic take. They nearly completely ignore any positives that have gone on this year. They make up crap all the time that ends up proved not to be true. So many rumors. Constant ripping Phil any chance they get.
Have you guys ever read the papers or watched the opponent broadcasts? These other cities are admittedly very Homeristic, but our press is the complete opposite. They're practically anti Knicks in nature. Isola is the leader of the pack in that regard. Just go read his Twitter feed and go back and see how it reads.

This negativity leads to problems in going after Free Agents. It's a real factor.

i dont really agree. I tried to explain this to another poster but he went ape****. You gotta just ignore the press and play basketball. Its simple if you win they write positive but if you lose its negative. Either way it doesnt affect how you build a winner. So far phil has been a mixed bag so he needs to do better

Melo said he doesn't like to say the word "Triangle" anymore.

Melo and Phil are playing a game of chicken here.

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:I actually agree with Phil that part of the problem in NY is the Press. Too many of these guys write with a very nasty and sarcastic take. They nearly completely ignore any positives that have gone on this year. They make up crap all the time that ends up proved not to be true. So many rumors. Constant ripping Phil any chance they get.
Have you guys ever read the papers or watched the opponent broadcasts? These other cities are admittedly very Homeristic, but our press is the complete opposite. They're practically anti Knicks in nature. Isola is the leader of the pack in that regard. Just go read his Twitter feed and go back and see how it reads.

This negativity leads to problems in going after Free Agents. It's a real factor.

i dont really agree. I tried to explain this to another poster but he went ape****. You gotta just ignore the press and play basketball. Its simple if you win they write positive but if you lose its negative. Either way it doesnt affect how you build a winner. So far phil has been a mixed bag so he needs to do better

I understand your point but I don't really like the Mixed Bag take. For one thing he was pretty quick to demo the old roster in year one and immediately start adding younger players and of course that led to KP, Jerian and Willy. I really can't complain about how he approached last summer either. What you hope for is a few of your moves to stick and move on from the ones that don't work out. Now this summer he's got far fewer holes to fill than last. That to me isn't Mixed Bag. Fish not working out is really on Fish. He seems to be the one that was doing things that led to his being fired. In the end Phil can easily correct that mistake this summer as well. We'll see what he does.

im just trying to be objective. Mixed bag means average which is what he has been. He has made both good and bad moves. That doesnt mean he has failed it simply means up until this point he has been average. Believe me i love positivity and optimism but its also important to point out the misteps as well

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by average! In terms of rebuilding a team how do you gauge how well he's done. This is LITERALLY year one of this roster! We added 8 new players. There are going to be new players next year as well. I don't know how you properly gauge a team that you are building up from a 17 win tear down!

They won 15 more games and really could easily have won more if things broke right. Who knows what happens if Melo doesn't trip on that ref. In any event the team made some progress tho not as much as hoped. Now they pretty much only have to worry about a starting Backcourt. That's not mixed bag to me. The W/L record is not the only measure of how Phil has done IMO. The roster progress and direction is huge IMO. This summer is going to be very important. Not just the Coach and Free Agency, but also the player development.

knicks1248 wrote:read some quotes. He doesn't plan on interviewing anyone he does not know...

The triangle is it, love it or not, that's what he was brought here for

rambis is a candidate

Thibs is not..

Players around the league want to play with KP and Melo

more soon to come

Yup, unfortunately we can now rule Thibs out- seems like that was who Phil was referring to when he said about needing to know the coach, be compatible with them and then telling the media off for speculating names, saying save your breath it's not happening (probably directed at Isola who has been pushing Thibs).

smackeddog wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:read some quotes. He doesn't plan on interviewing anyone he does not know...

The triangle is it, love it or not, that's what he was brought here for

rambis is a candidate

Thibs is not..

Players around the league want to play with KP and Melo

more soon to come

Yup, unfortunately we can now rule Thibs out- seems like that was who Phil was referring to when he said about needing to know the coach, be compatible with them and then telling the media off for speculating names, saying save your breath it's not happening (probably directed at Isola who has been pushing Thibs).

Also interesting was that this was the second time he's said the team played better in the games without Melo (despite losing)

Also, did he say players want to play with Melo and KP or just KP? I thought he said players wanted to play with K P. I could be wrong.

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:read some quotes. He doesn't plan on interviewing anyone he does not know...

The triangle is it, love it or not, that's what he was brought here for

rambis is a candidate

Thibs is not..

Players around the league want to play with KP and Melo

more soon to come

Going to be hard to get 3 legit guards with no draft picks

i still dont know what the hell they were thinking with the bargnani trade. Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him for nothing even taking back a bad contract and we give them a unprotected lottery pick. Only the knicks

If Toronto was pleading with anybody to take him then there's no way in hellz that anyone (even James Dolan) would offer up a 1st round pick for him so that's obviously not true.

maybe but from what it seemed nobody was offering much for him. We all know the knicks areknown for bad trades and im sure other teams know that as well. Luckily i think those days are over and we will keep our picks from now on

And just exactly how is that you would know what any team is offering for any player since that's not something that gets leaked??

The value was still horrible regardless. A first round pick shouldn't have been included. But to also allow it to be unprotected is insane.

I think he's set up things nicely, but he's gotta land a big fish somehow. We aren't at a point where we can fill the roster with nice skilled guys like Evan Turner. We need another impact player. Melo still fills out the stat sheet but that well is going to dry. KP wants to carry the load and you love that but he's not ready. We need that 3rd big gun. If we got Connley I could actually see him next to Sasha really nicely. Grant is a nice scorer and defender and might help us even more with a vet like Conley next to him. There is a big ripple effect when you add a quality player like that.