Nalod wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I wouldn't mind Blatt/Rambis, but I don't think it's fair to blame Blatt for the offense in Cleveland. Too often Lebron looked off what Blatt wanted to do. The offense was a mess because of Lebron. (Of course, Bron is so good that that mess got the Cavs a 2-1 lead in the Finals last year)

With Rambis and Blatt working together to construct a motion offense that has elements of the Triangle... I think it could lead to a really interesting offense, with maybe some wrinkles no one has seen before.

I'd be okay to keep Rambis for some continuity, as long as Blatt was firmly in charge.

My gut feeling is that having both of them could lead to issues.

Blatt is coming from a job where a player usurped his authority...not sure he would want to be in a situation where he shares power with Rambis, especially knowing the favor Rambis holds with Jackson, as both a proponent of the Triangle and as a personal friend.

If Rambis could live with Blatt having the final say in everything, it might work, but I don't think Rambis would agree to such a condition, and knowing Rambis' friendship with Phil, Blatt would be looking over his back all the time if they worked together.

The NY media, of course, will simply love this kind of soap opera...another reason why it might not work.

For myself- I would go with Blatt and a defensive guru assistant coach.

Wow, you seem to know these guys pretty well!

Lets just say the when Rambis was given the opportunity to be "Interim" it was not a given he'd be given the job permanently. If he got knicks to the playoffs and they finished real strong perhaps. Do you think this was discussed before he was given the job? If so, would it not be discussed at first?

Phil: Kurt, if you are not named head coach will you want to stay on? Is that going to be a problem? If so, I'll name one of the other guys on the bench.

We don't know his answer do we? Thus, we don't if Kurt will be an issue.
Likewise, Blatt can be told Kurt is on the staff, and if he thinks that's a problem? If so, maybe he don't get hired?

Guys have pride...guys have dreams- always have to consider things like this.

Of course a few million dollars a year might cover up animosities and lead to some kind of partnership.

By the way, you don't think that Rambis was probably talking to Jackson about how Fisher was running things? Rambis was listed as an "Associate Coach," I think, no? I expect that there were some legitimate tensions between Fisher and Rambis, and that Rambis, who had once coached Fisher, must have felt awkward taking marching orders from Fish.

SupremeCommander wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:As far as I know Blatt is a very knowledgeable offensive mind. Why do some of you think he would need Rambis for that? Lebron was the one who really caused the offense to look the way it did. On the court Lebron was in control of the ball. Blatt wouldn't have run that if he had a team like the Knicks. Rambis was Phil's defensive guru with the Lakers! If anything Blatt might be fine with Rambis taking on that kind of role.

Yup

As I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that Blatt's role with Kerr was going to revolve around the offense end of the game.

The real issue is how Rambis would take the "demotion." I don't think he'll be back if a guy like Blatt is brought on as head coach.

They straight up fired Blatt because they weren't happy with the offense.

In 41 games under Blatt, Cleveland averaged 105.6 points per 100 possessions, good for fifth in the league this season

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Didn't they have a better record under Blatt.

Perhaps that team is simply designed poorly, since for the most part, it was put together by a player who seemingly had to give his blessing to each signing.

I do expect that James was quite happy with Blatt's departure.

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

martin wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:Blatt should work on the defense, Rambis should keep reign on the offense. I'm totally fine with that. Blatt's issues in Cleveland were his offense as well. They didn't have a great set up there. If he's on the same page with Phil with regards to wanting a system and keeping the Triangle, he can assign the offense to Rambis who can stay on as an associate while Blatt focuses on team management, the defense and getting guys in line. He's a tough guy, he will get on you if you don't do your job, and most of all he's honest.

I wouldn't mind a Blatt/Rambis combination.

I'm kind of in this boat.

I wouldn't mind Blatt/Rambis, but I don't think it's fair to blame Blatt for the offense in Cleveland. Too often Lebron looked off what Blatt wanted to do. The offense was a mess because of Lebron. (Of course, Bron is so good that that mess got the Cavs a 2-1 lead in the Finals last year)

With Rambis and Blatt working together to construct a motion offense that has elements of the Triangle... I think it could lead to a really interesting offense, with maybe some wrinkles no one has seen before.

I'd be okay to keep Rambis for some continuity, as long as Blatt was firmly in charge.

My gut feeling is that having both of them could lead to issues.

Blatt is coming from a job where a player usurped his authority...not sure he would want to be in a situation where he shares power with Rambis, especially knowing the favor Rambis holds with Jackson, as both a proponent of the Triangle and as a personal friend.

If Rambis could live with Blatt having the final say in everything, it might work, but I don't think Rambis would agree to such a condition, and knowing Rambis' friendship with Phil, Blatt would be looking over his back all the time if they worked together.

The NY media, of course, will simply love this kind of soap opera...another reason why it might not work.

For myself- I would go with Blatt and a defensive guru assistant coach.

Wow, you seem to know these guys pretty well!

Lets just say the when Rambis was given the opportunity to be "Interim" it was not a given he'd be given the job permanently. If he got knicks to the playoffs and they finished real strong perhaps. Do you think this was discussed before he was given the job? If so, would it not be discussed at first?

Phil: Kurt, if you are not named head coach will you want to stay on? Is that going to be a problem? If so, I'll name one of the other guys on the bench.

We don't know his answer do we? Thus, we don't if Kurt will be an issue.
Likewise, Blatt can be told Kurt is on the staff, and if he thinks that's a problem? If so, maybe he don't get hired?

Just trying to think about how I would feel...Same stuff just happened with Hinkie...No?

Guys have pride...guys have dreams- always have to consider things like this.

Of course a few million dollars a year might cover up animosities and lead to some kind of partnership.

By the way, you don't think that Rambis was probably talking to Jackson about how Fisher was running things? Rambis was listed as an "Associate Coach," I think, no? I expect that there were some legitimate tensions between Fisher and Rambis, and that Rambis, who had once coached Fisher, must have felt awkward taking marching orders from Fish.

Its a good point you bring up. The thing is Rambis came not with a gun at his head, but understanding Fish was top dog. Like Kidd (who is not feeling the love with Buck owners) Fish did not adhere to the work ethic or accept the mentorship that Phil hired him to take. That said, I see where Rambis and Phil would not be comfortable with Fish. Rambis was hired to also mentor/Groom Fish. If the student does not work hard, the teacher looks bad.

My take is they already figured out the conditions by which he would be named head coach, or not before, and therefore should be fine with the conditions. If not, nobody is forcing him to be employed in NY.

Hinkie got neutered when his teams started pissing off the owners.

SupremeCommander wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:As far as I know Blatt is a very knowledgeable offensive mind. Why do some of you think he would need Rambis for that? Lebron was the one who really caused the offense to look the way it did. On the court Lebron was in control of the ball. Blatt wouldn't have run that if he had a team like the Knicks. Rambis was Phil's defensive guru with the Lakers! If anything Blatt might be fine with Rambis taking on that kind of role.

Yup

As I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that Blatt's role with Kerr was going to revolve around the offense end of the game.

The real issue is how Rambis would take the "demotion." I don't think he'll be back if a guy like Blatt is brought on as head coach.

They straight up fired Blatt because they weren't happy with the offense.

In 41 games under Blatt, Cleveland averaged 105.6 points per 100 possessions, good for fifth in the league this season

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/709366093698113536

Does "They" include James?

Didn't they have a better record under Blatt.

Perhaps that team is simply designed poorly, since for the most part, it was put together by a player who seemingly had to give his blessing to each signing.

I do expect that James was quite happy with Blatt's departure.

all I'm saying is that Blatt has a reputation for being an inferior offensive mind--that's it

chuckbuck for coach then?

SupremeCommander wrote:
all I'm saying is that Blatt has a reputation for being an inferior offensive mind--that's it

How would anyone know if he didn't actually get to install his offense and Lebron was supposedly calling the plays?

Why would Kerr want to hire him to design GSW's offense?

This comment makes no sense. He's known as an offensive guru. He just didn't click with Lebron and the vibe Bron tried to set up with that Cleveland team, including such noteworthy coachable guys as JR Smith and Shumpert.

crzymdups wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:
all I'm saying is that Blatt has a reputation for being an inferior offensive mind--that's it

How would anyone know if he didn't actually get to install his offense and Lebron was supposedly calling the plays?

Why would Kerr want to hire him to design GSW's offense?

This comment makes no sense. He's known as an offensive guru. He just didn't click with Lebron and the vibe Bron tried to set up with that Cleveland team, including such noteworthy coachable guys as JR Smith and Shumpert.

SupremeCommander wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

nixluva wrote:As far as I know Blatt is a very knowledgeable offensive mind. Why do some of you think he would need Rambis for that? Lebron was the one who really caused the offense to look the way it did. On the court Lebron was in control of the ball. Blatt wouldn't have run that if he had a team like the Knicks. Rambis was Phil's defensive guru with the Lakers! If anything Blatt might be fine with Rambis taking on that kind of role.

Yup

As I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure that Blatt's role with Kerr was going to revolve around the offense end of the game.

The real issue is how Rambis would take the "demotion." I don't think he'll be back if a guy like Blatt is brought on as head coach.

They straight up fired Blatt because they weren't happy with the offense.

In 41 games under Blatt, Cleveland averaged 105.6 points per 100 possessions, good for fifth in the league this season

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/709366093698113536

Does "They" include James?

Didn't they have a better record under Blatt.

Perhaps that team is simply designed poorly, since for the most part, it was put together by a player who seemingly had to give his blessing to each signing.

I do expect that James was quite happy with Blatt's departure.

all I'm saying is that Blatt has a reputation for being an inferior offensive mind--that's it

I'm not following. You quoted something that shows Blatt to have the 5th best offense in the league and then say inferior offensive mind?

sorry, there was a drastic jump in points per possession after Lue started coaching. Also, Cleveland started running completely different lineups then... is fifth-best really that great with that lineup? I stand by my comments. Blatt runs a plodding, slow-paced offense

Also, I'm just trying to be unbiased. I AM SOMEONE WHO WANTS BLATT TO COACH HERE. I just think his offense is un-dynamic and predictable. We won't have Kyrie and LBJ running the offense... I think Blatt needs help on that side of the ball but can run a staff.

It's difficult to say what the reason for the improved efficiency in Cleveland is. It's common for teams to play harder after a coaching change. You also have to take a look at all the factors, like health and players slumping etc. It's not always tied to the offensive approach.