Most of the negativity is forced by a media that keeps writing rumors intended to stir up trouble. 1st it was Rambis is a lock and now suddenly Blatt and Messina are options. But writers like Schmeelk still have to kick dirt on whatever the Knicks do:

After a few days of fans pulling their hair out over the possibility of Kurt Rambis coaching the Knicks next year, another name has emerged, according to reports: David Blatt.

Even in the articles promoting Blatt as a potential coach, the sources are careful to point out that Rambis is still a leading candidate or will be back with the team in one way, shape or form. The New York Post’s Marc Berman reported that if Rambis was not the head coach (he called Blatt a long shot), then he would be an assistant general manager or pseudo “offensive coordinator.”

It’s possible that given the negative reaction to Rambis, the Garden is trying to put other names out there to quell some of the rebellion against the idea of Rambis leading the team going forward. Blatt would be a decent option, but mostly because he is being compared to Rambis. Blatt’s resume is much better because of his record in Israel and with the Cleveland Cavaliers, but the issues he had with LeBron James and the Cavs players raise some red flags.

It shouldn’t be forgotten by Knicks fans that the clear-cut best option that would probably turn the Knicks into a playoff team next year is still sitting out there: former Bulls coach Tom Thibodeau. Anything the Knicks do that doesn’t end with Thibs should be treated with disappointment, and a great level of skepticism.

As mind-boggling as it may seem, as long as Phil Jackson is still here next year (there are no signs that he won’t be), the Knicks will run as pure a version of his system as possible next season. Jackson believes in his system, and he will run it. He wants to secure his legacy and win, but if it means going down in flames and pulling the Knicks down with him, Jackson is willing to accept that fate. He has an opt-out after next season and will make the 2016-17 season his ultimate experiment in the triangle.

It doesn’t matter that the best defensive coach in the NBA (and one of the best overall) is available in Thibodeau. Jackson is going to do it his way. That’s his right as the team president, and on some level his belief in his own way of playing basketball should be respected. He thinks it will work, and he will not deviate from it. It’s prideful and stubborn. It could be his undoing.

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....

We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it

Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.

While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.

More like whining and bitching.

The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no *******s on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.

So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.

"
stop saying a coach that has the 5th worst winning percentage in NBA HISTORY" IS A GOOD COACH, you sound silly, like a HOMER. rambis is a good dude, not a good coach

The avg age on the team is 27, good for 17th in the league, so were not that young either, If you take grant, and KP out , our age shoots up to 28, good for 24th in the league..

Wake up dude, and get your facts right.

That's quite possibly the dumbest logic I've ever seen.

We all know Lou, Sasha, Jose ain't long term part of the team, if you want to get avg age of the core parts, get rid of those.

Dude the only 2 people on this roster that are long term are melo and KP, everybody else is expendable according to phil at the trade dead line. Do we really have a core?

you are conflating 2 different things: People on the roster who are not getting traded and core players.

Core: Melo, KP, Grant, Rolo. Not so core: Wroten, KOQ, Gallo, Early, Lance, DWill. Not long term at all: Lou, Jose, Sepharin, AA, Sasha.

2 years ago Phil starting dismantling. This past summer he started to build up. You don't need to be Philly and just go with youth to rebuild, short term vets are good too.

Im sure Phil doesn't want wholesale changes, neither would I, but there are a lot of question marks on the team

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....

We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it

Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.

While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.

More like whining and bitching.

The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no *******s on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.

So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.

"
stop saying a coach that has the 5th worst winning percentage in NBA HISTORY" IS A GOOD COACH, you sound silly, like a HOMER. rambis is a good dude, not a good coach

The avg age on the team is 27, good for 17th in the league, so were not that young either, If you take grant, and KP out , our age shoots up to 28, good for 24th in the league..

Wake up dude, and get your facts right.

That's quite possibly the dumbest logic I've ever seen.

We all know Lou, Sasha, Jose ain't long term part of the team, if you want to get avg age of the core parts, get rid of those.

Dude the only 2 people on this roster that are long term are melo and KP, everybody else is expendable according to phil at the trade dead line. Do we really have a core?

you are conflating 2 different things: People on the roster who are not getting traded and core players.

Core: Melo, KP, Grant, Rolo. Not so core: Wroten, KOQ, Gallo, Early, Lance, DWill. Not long term at all: Lou, Jose, Sepharin, AA, Sasha.

2 years ago Phil starting dismantling. This past summer he started to build up. You don't need to be Philly and just go with youth to rebuild, short term vets are good too.

the bold part is true, but Enyspree is acting like our core is set in stone, anytime you have a losing season, everything is wide open as far as trades.

Im sure Phil doesn't want wholesale changes, neither would I, but there are a lot of question marks on the team

I'm trying to figure out where I said things were set in stone. Ignorance is bliss. You must be the happiest mofo on the planet

Most of your beeyatching, hater, anti-homer-at-all-costs types on this board seriously believe that eating out of a dirty diaper, sniffing dogsheehit with their panties in a bunch is the key to happiness and fulfillment as a knick fan.

We have the best in the paint defense in the league. We have an emerging 5 who's playing out of his mind and is set next year to get even better. We have the Rookie of the Solar System. We have cap space. We have a 178 year old All star forward who's playing the best all around ball of his entire HOF career. (Yes, azzhole, he's top 20 on the list of active players to get into the HOF). He's sharing, rebounding, playing D and mentoring. And he gets pissed off at losing. Imagine that.
[insert ChuckBuck pic of Melo sitting all alone]. And now we have signs of an athletic young rookie PG. We have a mostly serviceable group of bench players, instead of folks who would get cut off the practice squad at Westchester.

But forget it all, it's all about the dark side of the moon...

ChuckBuck wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:The title post is garbage....

We are rebuilding and doing it well from within. Stfu and enjoy it

Enjoy what, no draft pick, no coach, a aging star paired with a very young one, a, system that has yet to remotely work with the last 20 players that has played in it.

While you're over their clapping your hands like a retarded seal, and enjoying it, i'll still be talk facts and reality.

More like whining and bitching.

The Knicks are rebuilding the right way. Not having a pick sucks bit that's sins of the past. We have one of the youngest teams in the league. We have no *******s on the team. We have a system in place. We haven't won because of talent not the system. We have Rambis who is a good coach. As we get better players he's going to be fine organizing every one. Even if Phil decides to get another voice the talent will get better. Keep in mind Phil has only been here 2 years.

So yeah plenty to enjoy and be excited for. Instead of crying that we aren't winning now, look forward to where we could be in a year. That's where the fun is.

"
stop saying a coach that has the 5th worst winning percentage in NBA HISTORY" IS A GOOD COACH, you sound silly, like a HOMER. rambis is a good dude, not a good coach

The avg age on the team is 27, good for 17th in the league, so were not that young either, If you take grant, and KP out , our age shoots up to 28, good for 24th in the league..

Wake up dude, and get your facts right.

That's quite possibly the dumbest logic I've ever seen.

We all know Lou, Sasha, Jose ain't long term part of the team, if you want to get avg age of the core parts, get rid of those.

Dude the only 2 people on this roster that are long term are melo and KP, everybody else is expendable according to phil at the trade dead line. Do we really have a core?

you are conflating 2 different things: People on the roster who are not getting traded and core players.

Core: Melo, KP, Grant, Rolo. Not so core: Wroten, KOQ, Gallo, Early, Lance, DWill. Not long term at all: Lou, Jose, Sepharin, AA, Sasha.

2 years ago Phil starting dismantling. This past summer he started to build up. You don't need to be Philly and just go with youth to rebuild, short term vets are good too.

the bold part is true, but Enyspree is acting like our core is set in stone, anytime you have a losing season, everything is wide open as far as trades.

Im sure Phil doesn't want wholesale changes, neither would I, but there are a lot of question marks on the team

I'm trying to figure out where I said things were set in stone. Ignorance is bliss. You must be the happiest mofo on the planet

Most of your beeyatching, hater, anti-homer-at-all-costs types on this board seriously believe that eating out of a dirty diaper, sniffing dogsheehit with their panties in a bunch is the key to happiness and fulfillment as a knick fan.

We have the best in the paint defense in the league. We have an emerging 5 who's playing out of his mind and is set next year to get even better. We have the Rookie of the Solar System. We have cap space. We have a 178 year old All star forward who's playing the best all around ball of his entire HOF career. (Yes, azzhole, he's top 20 on the list of active players to get into the HOF). He's sharing, rebounding, playing D and mentoring. And he gets pissed off at losing. Imagine that.
[insert ChuckBuck pic of Melo sitting all alone]. And now we have signs of an athletic young rookie PG. We have a mostly serviceable group of bench players, instead of folks who would get cut off the practice squad at Westchester.

But forget it all, it's all about the dark side of the moon...

Who's going to coach all these great guys?

and that's the $100 million question.

nixluva wrote:Knicks have some good options with Blatt, Thibs, Messina and Mark Jackson to name a few. It certainly not a situation where the team has no options, so why panic about it right now. Let the process play out. Even if Phil did stick with Rambis, it's not the end of the world as some people try to make it out to be.

This will be another important summer and there is a lot that can happen between now and the start of Training Camp.

why would keeping rambis be a good thing?

If your willing to keep rambis as a head coach, then martin, chuck, dj music, or anyone on this board can do just as good of job if not better.

In other words pick the worse coach in the league, and make him our head coach, because apparently there coach credentials/resume don't matter to you

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Knicks have some good options with Blatt, Thibs, Messina and Mark Jackson to name a few. It certainly not a situation where the team has no options, so why panic about it right now. Let the process play out. Even if Phil did stick with Rambis, it's not the end of the world as some people try to make it out to be.

This will be another important summer and there is a lot that can happen between now and the start of Training Camp.

why would keeping rambis be a good thing?

If your willing to keep rambis as a head coach, then martin, chuck, dj music, or anyone on this board can do just as good of job if not better.

In other words pick the worse coach in the league, and make him our head coach, because apparently there coach credentials/resume don't matter to you

Rambis may or may not be a good head coach. But in Minny and here in NY its not like he has been put in position to succeed. The 2 teams he coached in Minny talent was was pretty crap other then Kevin Love and if you consider Beasley that. They did score the 10th most points per game in the league and held the fast pace his 2nd yr. Love, Beasley, Ridnour all had pretty good statistical yrs. There defense sucked though.

In the Tri it has shown to be the most successful with ball movers at the forward position. Can't say that Minny supplied Rambis with those tools.

In other words, he failed to adjust to his roster, and continued banging home a system that not only didn't fit, but made his players look like garbage...

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Knicks have some good options with Blatt, Thibs, Messina and Mark Jackson to name a few. It certainly not a situation where the team has no options, so why panic about it right now. Let the process play out. Even if Phil did stick with Rambis, it's not the end of the world as some people try to make it out to be.

This will be another important summer and there is a lot that can happen between now and the start of Training Camp.

why would keeping rambis be a good thing?

If your willing to keep rambis as a head coach, then martin, chuck, dj music, or anyone on this board can do just as good of job if not better.

In other words pick the worse coach in the league, and make him our head coach, because apparently there coach credentials/resume don't matter to you

But if he's coaching the team well now what difference does his past make? That Minnesota stink was set up to fail with Kahn as gm.

To give an example, Dantoni sucked his first coaching gig in Denver. He got to Phoenix and took the league by storm. Yeah he had a good team to fit his system.... but if you believe that then allow Phil to upgrade this summer and I bet Rambis will be looked at in a different light.

It ALWAYS starts with TALENT!!! People think coaches are magicians. Sure a great coach can help a team excel but his impact is not as great as people think. Great coaches have had bad seasons when the talent wasn't there.

nyknickzingis wrote:Phil Jackson has helped the Knicks completely re-build their roster and way they play.
They've gone from being a selfish, one dimensional team of chuckers like Melo, JR Smith, Amare, Hardaway, (and more) in a situation where a teammate's success like Lin's breakout caused tension within the lockerroom (despite winning) vs now with Melo playing team first, showing leadership constantly, Porzingis emergence and media hype has only been welcomed by the team. There's so much better culture out there. That's part of the Triangle atmosphere. You go look at other re-building teams, many of them are full of players looking to get their own shot, to look like stars on a bad team to not get the blame for all the losing. You look at even more talented teams like Houston or Sacramento or Chicago an they've got completely different coaching staffs and systems than Triangle and they are struggling far worse than us (All 3 underachieved greatly).

Chicago and Houston are great examples of the polar opposite of the Triangle. You have teams there shooting an insane amount of 3 pointers, trying to play Golden State basketball, but they just don't have the talent for it. And they lose, lose more than they should have. Both teams would be better with a sound system like the Triangle and the type of coaching we have in NY.

It's not always the case that what works in one situation will work in another. What works in Golden State, may not work in Houston or Chicago. Not every team has the type of shooting that Curry/Thompson provide the Warriors. The Knicks are not good enough in the present, but they compete on a nightly basis, through half way into the season were within the playoff 8, and have at the same time developed some young players for the future in Porzingis and Grant. Phil had 2 very good draft selections last year with KP and Grant. Look at what Grant did as a starter to close the season. He can defeinitely play. Then you have Lopez, our main signing this past offseason. Another great move. It looks like Afflalo and D-Will will opt out. Perfect 1 year stop gap types. The Knicks will have 30$M in space this summer to go to work on the backcourt. A backcourt that already looks better now that Grant is showing he belongs in the NBA. If we can use the capspace this summer to focus on the backcourt - we already have 3 quality front court players in Melo, KP and RoLo - then I can definitely be excited about next season and moving forward. If Phil plays this right as he has so far, the Knicks can dip in this summer to add some talent to the backcourt, and in 2017 they can go at it for the top free agents in 2017. All while 2017 forward the Knicks have all their draft picks. I don't get all the hysteria. The Knicks by 2017 summer will be one of the most attractive destinations for free agents and be a very healthy franchise, so long as Phil doesn't alter from the plan this summer and do something very Knick-like (Giving a max contract to a Dwight Howard or something like that would qualify).

You are partially correct. Though it wasn't Lins success that caused tension. It was his struggles after the Miami game. Mia set the blueprint and Lin struggled to adapt. As he was still a young player in the league. Lin didn't bring much else to the table after they trapped him constantly to take the ball out of his hands. Losses started to pile up and Melo got anxious wanting to play hero ball. Which Melo turned out to be correct since he lead the team to 16-5 and playoffs. Kristap also doesn't need to be ball dominant to impact a game so its easier to have chemistry with those type if players.

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:Knicks have some good options with Blatt, Thibs, Messina and Mark Jackson to name a few. It certainly not a situation where the team has no options, so why panic about it right now. Let the process play out. Even if Phil did stick with Rambis, it's not the end of the world as some people try to make it out to be.

This will be another important summer and there is a lot that can happen between now and the start of Training Camp.

why would keeping rambis be a good thing?

If your willing to keep rambis as a head coach, then martin, chuck, dj music, or anyone on this board can do just as good of job if not better.

In other words pick the worse coach in the league, and make him our head coach, because apparently there coach credentials/resume don't matter to you

Rambis may or may not be a good head coach. But in Minny and here in NY its not like he has been put in position to succeed. The 2 teams he coached in Minny talent was was pretty crap other then Kevin Love and if you consider Beasley that. They did score the 10th most points per game in the league and held the fast pace his 2nd yr. Love, Beasley, Ridnour all had pretty good statistical yrs. There defense sucked though.

In the Tri it has shown to be the most successful with ball movers at the forward position. Can't say that Minny supplied Rambis with those tools.

In other words, he failed to adjust to his roster, and continued banging home a system that not only didn't fit, but made his players look like garbage...

Don't know enough about what he tried to do in Minny. But again in his second yr the team scored the 10th most points per game in the NBA and had the leagues fastest pace. Kevin Love averaged 20.6 15.2 rebs on 47fg% and 41% from 3 with 2.5ast per game. Beasley avearged 19.2pts 5.7rebs 2.2ast 45fg% 36$ from 3. Ridnour averaged 11.8 5.4ast 46.6fg% 44% from 3 with 1.3stls.

Ridnour was the oldest player on the team at age 29. And that was Beasley's best season of his career.

The other players on the team were guys like Wesley Johnson, Corey Brewer, Darko Milicic, Anthony Tolliver. They lost games due to poor defense.

The problem with a coach like ramby is that, you will get individual success from a few bigs on the roster, and a player here and there on the roster.

His problem is preparation,in game adjustments, and rotations, the 3 major categories for a head coach. ramby does have a solid roll on any coaching staff, but he is no where near head coach level.

All you did was describe this season.

Losing doesn't mean Rambis has a problem with preparation, in game adjustments and substitutions. If anything that's exactly what he improved when Fisher was fired.

Again stop pretending like you know what you are talking about and make a thread catered to jocking every coach on the market. That's what you really want. That's your only intrest as a fan, to starphuch.