Vmart wrote:

MS wrote:I have never seen a player take more ****.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

Melo has upped the assists but he hasn't played all that well. His shooting was not good he shot a decent percentage in wins at 46% but but he contributed to the losses and played a hand in them because he shot 40% in losses his free throw shooting also dipped in losses. Since he is the main focal point of the team and considered star of the team you can't claim that he has played well because by his standard this was one of his worst season statistically.

So when his shooting % are up, he's a one-dimensional chucker. When his assists and defense are improved, he's looking for others and not forcing things, he's just the worst statistically.

I see how this works. Thank you.

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

MS wrote:I have never seen a player take more ****.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

Melo has upped the assists but he hasn't played all that well. His shooting was not good he shot a decent percentage in wins at 46% but but he contributed to the losses and played a hand in them because he shot 40% in losses his free throw shooting also dipped in losses. Since he is the main focal point of the team and considered star of the team you can't claim that he has played well because by his standard this was one of his worst season statistically.

So when his shooting % are up, he's a one-dimensional chucker. When his assists and defense are improved, he's looking for others and not forcing things, he's just the worst statistically.

I see how this works. Thank you.

I never said he was a chucker. I felt he should be hovering around 50% or better. I don't see why you are so offended. I don't understand to keep a good player on a bad team especially if he could bring in assets and he is player on the decline. He can't play 82 games. I don't understand, the Knicks are not winning with him. He can't shoot 40% and be the main shot taker 43% for the year. He better up his assists and defense because he is stinking it up on the offense. And let's face it that is suppose to be his calling card.

I don't think your seeing the final outcome. To keep Melo sets a pattern of failure especially when KP in a few year will be the main player. Melo will be on the out once again your going to wait on a player to build around KP and that player will take time to develop. In anything you do timing is the most important element. Timing is everything. If you don't see that and your holding out hope on Free Agency as a plan then that's your plan of action. I personally like the homegrown path to building a team.

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

MS wrote:I have never seen a player take more ****.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

Melo has upped the assists but he hasn't played all that well. His shooting was not good he shot a decent percentage in wins at 46% but but he contributed to the losses and played a hand in them because he shot 40% in losses his free throw shooting also dipped in losses. Since he is the main focal point of the team and considered star of the team you can't claim that he has played well because by his standard this was one of his worst season statistically.

So when his shooting % are up, he's a one-dimensional chucker. When his assists and defense are improved, he's looking for others and not forcing things, he's just the worst statistically.

I see how this works. Thank you.

I never said he was a chucker. I felt he should be hovering around 50% or better. I don't see why you are so offended. I don't understand to keep a good player on a bad team especially if he could bring in assets and he is player on the decline. He can't play 82 games. I don't understand, the Knicks are not winning with him. He can't shoot 40% and be the main shot taker 43% for the year. He better up his assists and defense because he is stinking it up on the offense. And let's face it that is suppose to be his calling card.

I don't think your seeing the final outcome. To keep Melo sets a pattern of failure especially when KP in a few year will be the main player. Melo will be on the out once again your going to wait on a player to build around KP and that player will take time to develop. In anything you do timing is the most important element. Timing is everything. If you don't see that and your holding out hope on Free Agency as a plan then that's your plan of action. I personally like the homegrown path to building a team.

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

MS wrote:I have never seen a player take more ****.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

Melo has upped the assists but he hasn't played all that well. His shooting was not good he shot a decent percentage in wins at 46% but but he contributed to the losses and played a hand in them because he shot 40% in losses his free throw shooting also dipped in losses. Since he is the main focal point of the team and considered star of the team you can't claim that he has played well because by his standard this was one of his worst season statistically.

So when his shooting % are up, he's a one-dimensional chucker. When his assists and defense are improved, he's looking for others and not forcing things, he's just the worst statistically.

I see how this works. Thank you.

I never said he was a chucker. I felt he should be hovering around 50% or better. I don't see why you are so offended. I don't understand to keep a good player on a bad team especially if he could bring in assets and he is player on the decline. He can't play 82 games. I don't understand, the Knicks are not winning with him. He can't shoot 40% and be the main shot taker 43% for the year. He better up his assists and defense because he is stinking it up on the offense. And let's face it that is suppose to be his calling card.

I don't think your seeing the final outcome. To keep Melo sets a pattern of failure especially when KP in a few year will be the main player. Melo will be on the out once again your going to wait on a player to build around KP and that player will take time to develop. In anything you do timing is the most important element. Timing is everything. If you don't see that and your holding out hope on Free Agency as a plan then that's your plan of action. I personally like the homegrown path to building a team.

I think he was coming around and hitting his shot when he rolled his ankle on the ref and then re-injured his knee. He seemed to recover by March and shot 48% from the field and 41% from three. Also, he led the team in ppg, rpg, and assists ppg and they couldn't win a game without him. Someone else needs to up their game if the Knicks are going to win more as a team. Also, other than James Harden can you name a star player that played significantly more minutes than Melo? Durant, Paul, LBJ, Curry, Wade, Kwahi... didn't.

I agree with you the team is much better with Melo. I am a fan of Melo but I don't think this situation is right for him and the Knicks need to get assets for him. He is a good player but I would consider moving him if he is willing to be moved. I always felt minutes on a bad team and minutes on a winning team are different. Melo got minutes out of necessity for the team to win. The Knicks rely way to much on Melo and he is no longer a player that will carry a team. He needs talent around him and as we know talent for the Knicks will only come in the form of draft picks. As free agency is only for marginal players for NY.

I'm not hating on Melo but he is the only asset the Knicks have to get more assets. The Knicks suck more in his absence but that plays well to get a top pick come next year and who knows what kind of prospects come I return if he is traded.

nixluva wrote:KP and RoLo are a good start to a lineup that can take pressure off MELO but the 2 guards spots have to be MUCH more productive. When AA and Jose played well at one point during the season, the team looked a lot better, which shows the possibilities if Phil can get more out of the starting backcourt.

I agree it may be hard to add 2 high quality guards this summer but there's a good chance he can upgrade over AA and Jose.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:KP and RoLo are a good start to a lineup that can take pressure off MELO but the 2 guards spots have to be MUCH more productive. When AA and Jose played well at one point during the season, the team looked a lot better, which shows the possibilities if Phil can get more out of the starting backcourt.

I agree it may be hard to add 2 high quality guards this summer but there's a good chance he can upgrade over AA and Jose.

yeah getting a quality backcourt in one summer is not easy. If phil can get one i would be happy. Im a big grant fan so i wouldnt mind him getting more responsibility

I was expecting Grant to have a better season. He came out of camp so confident. Then started very well with Gallo off the bench. For multiple reasons he lost his confidence but the end of the year was a great start to the offseason and next year. Who knows what happens in FA but I think internal growth is gonna be part of the solution next season.

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

MS wrote:I have never seen a player take more ****.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

Melo has upped the assists but he hasn't played all that well. His shooting was not good he shot a decent percentage in wins at 46% but but he contributed to the losses and played a hand in them because he shot 40% in losses his free throw shooting also dipped in losses. Since he is the main focal point of the team and considered star of the team you can't claim that he has played well because by his standard this was one of his worst season statistically.

So when his shooting % are up, he's a one-dimensional chucker. When his assists and defense are improved, he's looking for others and not forcing things, he's just the worst statistically.

I see how this works. Thank you.

I never said he was a chucker. I felt he should be hovering around 50% or better. I don't see why you are so offended. I don't understand to keep a good player on a bad team especially if he could bring in assets and he is player on the decline. He can't play 82 games. I don't understand, the Knicks are not winning with him. He can't shoot 40% and be the main shot taker 43% for the year. He better up his assists and defense because he is stinking it up on the offense. And let's face it that is suppose to be his calling card.

I don't think your seeing the final outcome. To keep Melo sets a pattern of failure especially when KP in a few year will be the main player. Melo will be on the out once again your going to wait on a player to build around KP and that player will take time to develop. In anything you do timing is the most important element. Timing is everything. If you don't see that and your holding out hope on Free Agency as a plan then that's your plan of action. I personally like the homegrown path to building a team.

I think he was coming around and hitting his shot when he rolled his ankle on the ref and then re-injured his knee. He seemed to recover by March and shot 48% from the field and 41% from three. Also, he led the team in ppg, rpg, and assists ppg and they couldn't win a game without him. Someone else needs to up their game if the Knicks are going to win more as a team. Also, other than James Harden can you name a star player that played significantly more minutes than Melo? Durant, Paul, LBJ, Curry, Wade, Kwahi... didn't.

I agree with you the team is much better with Melo. I am a fan of Melo but I don't think this situation is right for him and the Knicks need to get assets for him. He is a good player but I would consider moving him if he is willing to be moved. I always felt minutes on a bad team and minutes on a winning team are different. Melo got minutes out of necessity for the team to win. The Knicks rely way to much on Melo and he is no longer a player that will carry a team. He needs talent around him and as we know talent for the Knicks will only come in the form of draft picks. As free agency is only for marginal players for NY.

I'm not hating on Melo but he is the only asset the Knicks have to get more assets. The Knicks suck more in his absence but that plays well to get a top pick come next year and who knows what kind of prospects come I return if he is traded.

Phil would get killed for coming to NY and delivering 4 straight losing seasons in the biggest market in the world.

Always remember, that even if Melo waives his NTC,

1)He'll be traded to a contender
2)what contracts do a contender have to match his 25 million contract
3)we'll be getting back trash players, and a 28th pick
4)you will have to take on a really bad contrct
5)phils rep will take take a hit so bad

He would have fired a coach (he chase down)after 1 1/2 seasons and 25 million, and then trading a guy (He chase down) and signed for a 124 million and a NTC.

For make believe assets and be free to tank another season, since we've seen what this team is without Melo. It's the Philly syndrome, live at the UK. Tank tank tank. Assets, assets, draft picks. Tank Tank Tank. Assets Assets draft picks...and the years keep going by.

Yes, I know, tanking and losing and getting woodies every draft night for years is much better than being mediocre, or just under mediocre. It's much better to really, really, really suck with hope of magic yoots, than to be sub-mediocre without stockpiled draft picks.

And has anyone noticed that Our Lord and Saviour KP didn't manage to play a full season?

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

MS wrote:I have never seen a player take more ****.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

Melo has upped the assists but he hasn't played all that well. His shooting was not good he shot a decent percentage in wins at 46% but but he contributed to the losses and played a hand in them because he shot 40% in losses his free throw shooting also dipped in losses. Since he is the main focal point of the team and considered star of the team you can't claim that he has played well because by his standard this was one of his worst season statistically.

So when his shooting % are up, he's a one-dimensional chucker. When his assists and defense are improved, he's looking for others and not forcing things, he's just the worst statistically.

I see how this works. Thank you.

I never said he was a chucker. I felt he should be hovering around 50% or better. I don't see why you are so offended. I don't understand to keep a good player on a bad team especially if he could bring in assets and he is player on the decline. He can't play 82 games. I don't understand, the Knicks are not winning with him. He can't shoot 40% and be the main shot taker 43% for the year. He better up his assists and defense because he is stinking it up on the offense. And let's face it that is suppose to be his calling card.

I don't think your seeing the final outcome. To keep Melo sets a pattern of failure especially when KP in a few year will be the main player. Melo will be on the out once again your going to wait on a player to build around KP and that player will take time to develop. In anything you do timing is the most important element. Timing is everything. If you don't see that and your holding out hope on Free Agency as a plan then that's your plan of action. I personally like the homegrown path to building a team.

I think he was coming around and hitting his shot when he rolled his ankle on the ref and then re-injured his knee. He seemed to recover by March and shot 48% from the field and 41% from three. Also, he led the team in ppg, rpg, and assists ppg and they couldn't win a game without him. Someone else needs to up their game if the Knicks are going to win more as a team. Also, other than James Harden can you name a star player that played significantly more minutes than Melo? Durant, Paul, LBJ, Curry, Wade, Kwahi... didn't.

I agree with you the team is much better with Melo. I am a fan of Melo but I don't think this situation is right for him and the Knicks need to get assets for him. He is a good player but I would consider moving him if he is willing to be moved. I always felt minutes on a bad team and minutes on a winning team are different. Melo got minutes out of necessity for the team to win. The Knicks rely way to much on Melo and he is no longer a player that will carry a team. He needs talent around him and as we know talent for the Knicks will only come in the form of draft picks. As free agency is only for marginal players for NY.

I'm not hating on Melo but he is the only asset the Knicks have to get more assets. The Knicks suck more in his absence but that plays well to get a top pick come next year and who knows what kind of prospects come I return if he is traded.

Phil would get killed for coming to NY and delivering 4 straight losing seasons in the biggest market in the world.

Always remember, that even if Melo waives his NTC,

1)He'll be traded to a contender
2)what contracts do a contender have to match his 25 million contract
3)we'll be getting back trash players, and a 28th pick
4)you will have to take on a really bad contrct
5)phils rep will take take a hit so bad

He would have fired a coach (he chase down)after 1 1/2 seasons and 25 million, and then trading a guy (He chase down) and signed for a 124 million and a NTC.

For make believe assets and be free to tank another season, since we've seen what this team is without Melo. It's the Philly syndrome, live at the UK. Tank tank tank. Assets, assets, draft picks. Tank Tank Tank. Assets Assets draft picks...and the years keep going by.

Yes, I know, tanking and losing and getting woodies every draft night for years is much better than being mediocre, or just under mediocre. It's much better to really, really, really suck with hope of magic yoots, than to be sub-mediocre without stockpiled draft picks.

And has anyone noticed that Our Lord and Saviour KP didn't manage to play a full season?

So you want to go the half assed route and continue with free agents and stick to lopsided trades that don't make them better. Oh the Knicks tanked one season and they have been doing it for years. I hate to tell you but the previous years the Knicks were going all out and the result was suck. But suck enough to take them out of top picks if they didn't trade them away.

You have no foresight. You want to continue to build around a 33 year old player on the downside who has missed a lot of games and missed the playoffs. Even Danny Ainge dumped Pierce and KG for assets and they brought them a championship.

+1

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Vmart wrote:

MS wrote:I have never seen a player take more ****.

Is it his fault he is playing with the worst backcourt in the entire NBA? That we traded our first round pick for guy that struggled to make the rotation on a lottery team and is now out of the league. Did he use the one provision that was designed to help ****ty franchises get out from under a bad contract on a player that was a free agent only to pick up his contract and buy out a 1 year deal. So what's the problem?

Come one guys. Phil has no done very little here to be confident about. KP fell in his lap, his free agent signings were fair, his coaching selections have been terrible.

No one want to play for Rambis, nor does a free agent look at the coaching situation and instability in our front office and think that Phil is committed or going to be here long term. There is one player in the entire league that could get this crew to the playoffs, one.

You can't hate the guy because our owner decided to gut the team for him. He has played well all season long. Whose making the game easier for him?

Melo has upped the assists but he hasn't played all that well. His shooting was not good he shot a decent percentage in wins at 46% but but he contributed to the losses and played a hand in them because he shot 40% in losses his free throw shooting also dipped in losses. Since he is the main focal point of the team and considered star of the team you can't claim that he has played well because by his standard this was one of his worst season statistically.

So when his shooting % are up, he's a one-dimensional chucker. When his assists and defense are improved, he's looking for others and not forcing things, he's just the worst statistically.

I see how this works. Thank you.

I never said he was a chucker. I felt he should be hovering around 50% or better. I don't see why you are so offended. I don't understand to keep a good player on a bad team especially if he could bring in assets and he is player on the decline. He can't play 82 games. I don't understand, the Knicks are not winning with him. He can't shoot 40% and be the main shot taker 43% for the year. He better up his assists and defense because he is stinking it up on the offense. And let's face it that is suppose to be his calling card.

I don't think your seeing the final outcome. To keep Melo sets a pattern of failure especially when KP in a few year will be the main player. Melo will be on the out once again your going to wait on a player to build around KP and that player will take time to develop. In anything you do timing is the most important element. Timing is everything. If you don't see that and your holding out hope on Free Agency as a plan then that's your plan of action. I personally like the homegrown path to building a team.

I think he was coming around and hitting his shot when he rolled his ankle on the ref and then re-injured his knee. He seemed to recover by March and shot 48% from the field and 41% from three. Also, he led the team in ppg, rpg, and assists ppg and they couldn't win a game without him. Someone else needs to up their game if the Knicks are going to win more as a team. Also, other than James Harden can you name a star player that played significantly more minutes than Melo? Durant, Paul, LBJ, Curry, Wade, Kwahi... didn't.

I agree with you the team is much better with Melo. I am a fan of Melo but I don't think this situation is right for him and the Knicks need to get assets for him. He is a good player but I would consider moving him if he is willing to be moved. I always felt minutes on a bad team and minutes on a winning team are different. Melo got minutes out of necessity for the team to win. The Knicks rely way to much on Melo and he is no longer a player that will carry a team. He needs talent around him and as we know talent for the Knicks will only come in the form of draft picks. As free agency is only for marginal players for NY.

I'm not hating on Melo but he is the only asset the Knicks have to get more assets. The Knicks suck more in his absence but that plays well to get a top pick come next year and who knows what kind of prospects come I return if he is traded.

Phil would get killed for coming to NY and delivering 4 straight losing seasons in the biggest market in the world.

Always remember, that even if Melo waives his NTC,

1)He'll be traded to a contender
2)what contracts do a contender have to match his 25 million contract
3)we'll be getting back trash players, and a 28th pick
4)you will have to take on a really bad contrct
5)phils rep will take take a hit so bad

He would have fired a coach (he chase down)after 1 1/2 seasons and 25 million, and then trading a guy (He chase down) and signed for a 124 million and a NTC.

For make believe assets and be free to tank another season, since we've seen what this team is without Melo. It's the Philly syndrome, live at the UK. Tank tank tank. Assets, assets, draft picks. Tank Tank Tank. Assets Assets draft picks...and the years keep going by.

Yes, I know, tanking and losing and getting woodies every draft night for years is much better than being mediocre, or just under mediocre. It's much better to really, really, really suck with hope of magic yoots, than to be sub-mediocre without stockpiled draft picks.

And has anyone noticed that Our Lord and Saviour KP didn't manage to play a full season?

So you want to go the half assed route and continue with free agents and stick to lopsided trades that don't make them better. Oh the Knicks tanked one season and they have been doing it for years. I hate to tell you but the previous years the Knicks were going all out and the result was suck. But suck enough to take them out of top picks if they didn't trade them away.

You have no foresight. You want to continue to build around a 33 year old player on the downside who has missed a lot of games and missed the playoffs. Even Danny Ainge dumped Pierce and KG for assets and they brought them a championship.

And you want to go the full-assed Philly way and circle jerk yourself into oblivion every time March Madness rolls around. Yes, the Knicks tanked once. And we managed to get a freak unicorn. Philly has tanked how many times and are??? what? Nobody was talking about the starphucque in Boston, but nice redirect. Funny, Ainge built around what when they won that chip? Great logic there, mr. Foresight.

Suck? 2nd round was suck? As opposed to this:
2015-16 10 wins
2014-15 18 wins
2013-14 19 wins

Try getting your eyes circumsized, Mr. Hinkie. I think that foresight needs to go.

I didn't say anything about Philly route. I know the importance of having vets too. But I know Melo is a good player also. But the infusion of youth is a must to go forward. You can get vet leadership from Rolo and Calderon or any other player that has been in the league.

You have your plan I have mine and the one that counts is Phil's.