Knixkik wrote:I don't think there is a prblem with keeping Rambis in general. He hasn't done a great job but not sure anyone can with having such a poor back court, and there is no question that having Phil closer to the team is a plus. The concern is, there are better coaching candidates out there who would accept a position with the Knicks. Thibs and Shaw to name 2. That's my issue with this whole thing.

I'll take Rambis over Shaw any day of the week.

If Melo ends up waiving his NTC and we trade him then i really won't have any problem with Rambis getting the full time job because i do think he's a good teacher for the young players and without Melo it will be at least 3 years until we're any good of a team and when 3 years comes around Phil will be gone and Rambis and the triangle will follow him out the door unless Phil miraculously builds the team back up quickly and gets the right guys in to play with KP and R.Lopez and everything works in the triangle with the new team which in 3 years we'll know which way to go and whoever the new GM/President is can make the decision on keeping Rambis and the triangle or whoever our head coach is at that time.

Nalod wrote:

ccch wrote:Unbelievable...in 2 full yrs with Minnesota he was 32 and 132. Now we're going to hire this guy...it's like a nightmare.

If we bring in Jonny Flynn to run the triangle and Kahn is your GM, Im sure Rambis would agree with you!

Hahahaha exactly. I don't care one bit about what Rambis' record was in Minnesota because that team up until now has been the laughing stock (including the 76ers) of the NBA and it doesn't matter what coach was coaching those teams because they all would of had losing records even Phil Jackson and Popovich.

‎Phil Jackson, who sources say is pushing for a new multiyear deal for Rambis

Wtf? Let's say Phil wants to give Rambis a shot. Regardless of the fact that everybody on this board hates the idea. Why on earth give him a multi year deal? Is he going to turn down a one year deal? He has no other offers!
The Knicks are masters of bidding against themselves. Just like their 5 year deal for rookie Fisher. Morons.

If Phil solves our backcourt then give Kurt the year to prove his worth ... What's the worst that can happen we do poorly and get a high draft pick.

It's not fair to say Kurt is a terrible coach when he doesn't have a backcourt to put on the floor.

Also in minny he might have had one of the worst teams in nba history to coach. Let's not forget how injury riddled those teams were.

If Kurt is allowing the zen master to run the at home practices he is the right man for the job. And again Greg pop couldn't win with this backcourt... We need a nba level backcourt before we can say this guy stinks.

As for Rambis, I dislike the idea of hiring him as the full-time coach.

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:Rambis is an extension of Phil and if phil, who has been and wants to going forward run practice with Rambis and extend his authority than why is that so bad?
Is he qualified? Was Fisher? was Phil when he was promoted? Was Luke Walton? No, you have to go on gut.
Was Rambis experience in Minny valuable? of course, coaches get better with experience.

Now, the big thing is not Rambis vs. Luke, its the talent on the floor!!!!!
I don't know what happened with this team that it went from .500 to what it is now. Fish was there for ascent, and the decline. Was it coaching? In part, but really its the back court and GodZingis hitting his wall.

Personally, I want a starphuch hope induced coach but the reality is Rambis is qualified and if you read up on his Minnesota experience its not that unreasonable. Don't we like assistant coach's from championship teams? Thibs from Boston, Luke from GS, and Rambis from Lakers.

"IM DONE", "Im not buying league Pass!!!".........

Nalod been there for a few years now. Games are not worth my time anymore but I follow the team and watch when I can. With no pick, lackluster play, its obvious this is a listless scenario which reaction to rumors are just not worth the emotion. Read an article how "Since the guy who hired Ujiri now works for Izof, whose the guy that got Phil to NY maybe can steer Ujiri, cuz after all he beat Dolan up on two trades!!" Then its labeled "Dolans back up plan". Not its not, its the creation of a rumor.

If Phil wants to really be part of the day to day and Ramibis is his proxy, then let the guy who has more rings than fingers try it. Its not starphuchedly interesting, but then we all know that when the knicks Starphuch its really a step backwards in the long run. Since many of us are prone to crave the big name assuming it translates to winning we react in kind.

Thus, boring might be the path to rebuilding. Right now just cuz we can't see it don't mean it can't happen. We don't starphuch well. Only instance was the hiring of Pat Riley.

So some of you would pick Thibs over Phil?

so what don't you like about what the knicks are doing?

Oh, the blame game? I don't like that Galloway has not progressed as hoped. I Don't like that Dwilliams never really got it this year. I don't like that nobody stepped up to displace Jose. I don't like that we had to change coach mid year.

I don't think Fish had a full 5 year deal, there we team options. I don't like that We got to .500 and we fell apart. I don't like that we traded our pick this year and don't have Bargnani as a productive rotation player!

But I don't think that wholesale change is always the best way to enact change.

Kerr assembled a coaching staff and met or called all his players, even flying to Australia to chat with center Andrew Bogut.

All-Star shooter extraordinaire Stephen Curry, first in steals and fifth in assists this season, was the most prominent returnee. Curry was vocal in his support of Jackson. Kerr and Curry met for lunch.
Modal TriggerGolden State coach Steve Kerr with Warriors forward Andre IguodalaPhoto: AP
“He was inheriting a team capable of winning a championship that just needed a good direction,” Curry said. “Coach Kerr did a good job of reaching out to everybody on the roster over the summer explaining he wasn’t going to come in and be the hero that’s going to change everything and make us 10 times better.”

Kerr knew all that. And he knew the players knew.

“Acknowledge the good. Don’t try to come in and say, ‘I’ve got all the answers.’ You’ve got to acknowledge they built all this stuff here without me,” Kerr said. “That’s what I tried to let our players know from the outset: ‘We’re the lucky ones. We get to come in and coach you guys and you won 51 games last year.’ ”

Kerr’s fingerprints blanket the team with liberal doses from his playing days under coaches — including Lute Olson at Arizona, Lenny Wilkens in Cleveland, Jackson in Chicago, Gregg Popovich in San Antonio.

“He has taken a little from all offenses he experienced,” Nets radio analyst and former Wagner coach Tim Capstraw said. “He made a melting-pot system.”

Kerr readily accepted the “melting pot” description.

“We’ve taken concepts we’ve liked and tried to fit them for our personnel, but the biggest thing is letting these guys play,” Kerr said. “Just giving them parameters and letting them go. I don’t like to call a lot of timeouts. I like to let these guys run. … As long as we have our spacing and we’re setting screens and cutting, they can do whatever they want.”

this is how a real coach coaches

wh4t wrote:he's trying to get melo to leave. that's why rambo is staying

All we got about Melo/Rambis is a quote from a few weeks back and we all know its not fully that important. At the same time Melo might be on the block for all we know, or Phil is like "OK, then WHO WOULD YOU BE HAPPY WITH???"

Thibs? Is that who Melo wants to play for? I don't know, but he ran MDA out, did not respect Woodson and I assume he did ok with Fish, but I don't know. Fish got fired!
Im sure Melo wants continuity as well as any player.

Cartman718 wrote:nalod...you are sounding as delusional as playa more and more everyday...if coaching doesn't matter as much as personnel then why is it that jax has so many rings...jax negates your own argument. rambis is no extension of jax. why is it that regardless of personnel both jax and pop have won big, that lebron james is still seeking a championship in cleveland, that perennial all stars in kd and westbrook are still seeking success in okc...i could go on.

if rambis is the head coach to start next season, many many many fans will be calling this the last straw.
pjax is already on the hot seat for hiring an "interim" coach to start with and then replacing him with another "interim" coach. if he's done well on anything...it's the drafting, and the Rolo signing...other than that ho hum.

He may be the greatest coach ever in the nba but as an exec...how's it goink?
assflac has been that...assflac (thanks mreinman)
couldn't lure kerr
Dwill decent signing but not a triangle signing...what was he thinking
galloway grant LT KOQ blah blah the list goes on...all throwaways.

PHil had his system, team of Assistants and bought stability. Yes, he had talent.
This roster is better than last year, but a ways to go. You are making phil accountable on every move but in my opinion, two years is a small time frame to what is needed to succeed long term.
WE don't even have a draft pick this year!!! That hurts!
I don't care if fans like Rambis or not. I do think most are judging for his time in Minnesota, and forgot he was phils assistant.

As an exec, I think he walked into a shythouse and had to tear it down. And given what we have, the team he constructed was 22-22 at the half mark. That with Fish coaching.
This team then rolled over. I don't have a firm answer to what ails this team because I don't fully know how it went from .500 to what happened.

Nalod wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:nalod...you are sounding as delusional as playa more and more everyday...if coaching doesn't matter as much as personnel then why is it that jax has so many rings...jax negates your own argument. rambis is no extension of jax. why is it that regardless of personnel both jax and pop have won big, that lebron james is still seeking a championship in cleveland, that perennial all stars in kd and westbrook are still seeking success in okc...i could go on.

if rambis is the head coach to start next season, many many many fans will be calling this the last straw.
pjax is already on the hot seat for hiring an "interim" coach to start with and then replacing him with another "interim" coach. if he's done well on anything...it's the drafting, and the Rolo signing...other than that ho hum.

He may be the greatest coach ever in the nba but as an exec...how's it goink?
assflac has been that...assflac (thanks mreinman)
couldn't lure kerr
Dwill decent signing but not a triangle signing...what was he thinking
galloway grant LT KOQ blah blah the list goes on...all throwaways.

PHil had his system, team of Assistants and bought stability. Yes, he had talent.
This roster is better than last year, but a ways to go. You are making phil accountable on every move but in my opinion, two years is a small time frame to what is needed to succeed long term.
WE don't even have a draft pick this year!!! That hurts!
I don't care if fans like Rambis or not. I do think most are judging for his time in Minnesota, and forgot he was phils assistant.

As an exec, I think he walked into a shythouse and had to tear it down. And given what we have, the team he constructed was 22-22 at the half mark. That with Fish coaching.
This team then rolled over. I don't have a firm answer to what ails this team because I don't fully know how it went from .500 to what happened.

it's simple, fisher was told to slow it down, rambis started playing a different line up every night, and the coaching staff struggled to get on the same page, because clearly they had different philosophies

My only complaint with Rambis so far is his reliance on playing veterans heavy minutes and not developing the young players when we were essentially out of contention, but I understand why he did this because he had no incentive to lose games if he wanted to get the job. It was selfish in a way, but I can see why he did it.

He has shown that he is a much better and experienced coach than Fish and is much better at communicating hid ideas with the media and holding players accountable.

There's also the whole idea of bringing in a new coach and starting all over again. I'm not crazy about Rambis staying, but I wouldn't be too upset if he did---only because of the Phil factor.