crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:This summer's moves are very important and I think we all love Conley's ability. I'm just thinking about how he's likely to play the next 4 years if we brought him in for big money. I get the feeling that he's entering a stage of his career where we might expect him to start breaking down.

Grizzlies' Mike Conley's full list of injuries is ridiculous
By James Herbert | NBA writer
May 19, 2015 3:26 pm ET

Mike Conley's probably devastated that the Memphis Grizzlies lost to the Golden State Warriors in the second round, but a part of him should be a little relieved. Or, rather, several parts of him. Conley told the Memphis Commercial Appeal's Peter Edmiston the full extent of his injuries, and it's quite a lengthy list:

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https://twitter.com/peteredmiston/status/600378983364964352

In addition to all that, Conley had two sprained ankles earlier in the season. They still aren't 100 percent, according to Edmiston, even though the point guard didn't mention them.

It's hard to even comprehend what Conley was enduring, though reading Rob Mahoney's Sports Illustrated feature will give you an idea. His production may have tailed off a bit after leading the Grizzlies to a Game 2 victory against the Golden State Warriors, but the fact he was on the court and competing is incredible. Here's hoping he lays low for a while.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25189784/grizzlies-mike-conleys-full-list-of-injuries-is-ridiculous

That was a list of injuries he was playing through in last year's playoffs when he lead the Grizz to a 2-1 lead over the Warriors.

Sometimes PG's hit the wall in their career based on their build and how they play. Conley isn't bigger, stronger and more athletic. He's not tiny but he's not big either. I just wonder how much longer he can keep up this level of play without breaking down.

callmened wrote:when zebo randolph was asked the chances of conley coming to the knicks he LAUGHED - he LAUGHED hard like he heard the funniest joke in the world. after he was done laughing, he caught his breath and stated confidently that theres no way conley is coming to the knicks. now when conley was asked he professionally answered that he was keeping all of his options open. I think its pretty safe to assume that he isnt coming to the knicks

That's fair. And a seperate issue.

I sort of doubt that he would come here myself. I had given up on the idea. I think Jennings is the most realistic PG we can get.

BUT.

If we can get Conley, he would be fantastic for this team. Who knows where his head will be? No one thought Lebron would leave Cleveland the first time, then no one thought he'd leave Miami. If Memphis gets blown out in the playoffs, maybe Conley changes his mind a little.

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:when zebo randolph was asked the chances of conley coming to the knicks he LAUGHED - he LAUGHED hard like he heard the funniest joke in the world. after he was done laughing, he caught his breath and stated confidently that theres no way conley is coming to the knicks. now when conley was asked he professionally answered that he was keeping all of his options open. I think its pretty safe to assume that he isnt coming to the knicks

That's fair. And a seperate issue.

I sort of doubt that he would come here myself. I had given up on the idea. I think Jennings is the most realistic PG we can get.

BUT.

If we can get Conley, he would be fantastic for this team. Who knows where his head will be? No one thought Lebron would leave Cleveland the first time, then no one thought he'd leave Miami. If Memphis gets blown out in the playoffs, maybe Conley changes his mind a little.

i think he goes back to memphis (since they can offer him the most money). But lets say he doesnt...why on gods green earth would he join the knicks. dude is 30, a vet used to being on contenders. i would think he wants to win. i think we have a better chance of getting lebron not conley. lol

i think its always about the money then winning (and other factors ive mentioned before). i think its a long long shot..like less than 5% chance of him coming to nyk

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:will melo still be here? who the coach?

i think its always about the money then winning (and other factors ive mentioned before). i think its a long long shot..like less than 5% chance of him coming to nyk

Probably fair. My responses in this thread were about whether it was a bad idea to sign Conley because of a bogus injury history.

We'd be extremely lucky to get Conley. It is highly unlikely we get him.

Yeah he seems to have some unlucky injuries. but hes tough as nails. i wouldnt say he's brittle but why is dude always hurt? thats a little concerning. but overall that wont be the knicks problem unfortunately

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:will melo still be here? who the coach?

i think its always about the money then winning (and other factors ive mentioned before). i think its a long long shot..like less than 5% chance of him coming to nyk

Probably fair. My responses in this thread were about whether it was a bad idea to sign Conley because of a bogus injury history.

We'd be extremely lucky to get Conley. It is highly unlikely we get him.

Part of Conley's "bogus" injury history includes him now being shut down for the season due to an Achilles injury. That's not nothing dude. I mean what are we supposed to think about such a thing going into the summer? He's been ruled out for the rest of the season.

The Commercial Appeal independently confirmed that Conley was re-evaluated last week by team doctors. It was determined that it is in Conley’s best interest to not return to action until the 2016-17 season.

Barring a miraculous recovery by the time the postseason begins, Conley still walks with a limp, experiences soreness in the Achilles and requires a walking boot. The franchise and Conley, who will be a free agent this summer, are taking a cautious approach to his long-term future. […] There also is a fear that Conley could suffer a ruptured Achilles just as Mario Chalmers did in a season-ending incident March 9 during the second half of a game at Boston. Conley hasn’t played since March 6.

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/report-mike-conley-out-for-the-season-with-achilles-injury/#gDbk5IyC5WhqpWUo.99

It's very wise to rest the Achilles rather than risk rupturing it. If he ruptured it, that'd be bad. If he can rest it and rehab a little, it's nowhere near as bad as rupturing it.

babyKnicks wrote:$18 mill and he's ours.

I think it might need to be a max. But I also think he is absolutely worth a max.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

callmened wrote:will melo still be here? who the coach?

i think its always about the money then winning (and other factors ive mentioned before). i think its a long long shot..like less than 5% chance of him coming to nyk

Probably fair. My responses in this thread were about whether it was a bad idea to sign Conley because of a bogus injury history.

We'd be extremely lucky to get Conley. It is highly unlikely we get him.

Part of Conley's "bogus" injury history includes him now being shut down for the season due to an Achilles injury. That's not nothing dude. I mean what are we supposed to think about such a thing going into the summer? He's been ruled out for the rest of the season.

The Commercial Appeal independently confirmed that Conley was re-evaluated last week by team doctors. It was determined that it is in Conley’s best interest to not return to action until the 2016-17 season.

Barring a miraculous recovery by the time the postseason begins, Conley still walks with a limp, experiences soreness in the Achilles and requires a walking boot. The franchise and Conley, who will be a free agent this summer, are taking a cautious approach to his long-term future. […] There also is a fear that Conley could suffer a ruptured Achilles just as Mario Chalmers did in a season-ending incident March 9 during the second half of a game at Boston. Conley hasn’t played since March 6.

http://www.slamonline.com/nba/report-mike-conley-out-for-the-season-with-achilles-injury/#gDbk5IyC5WhqpWUo.99

It's very wise to rest the Achilles rather than risk rupturing it. If he ruptured it, that'd be bad. If he can rest it and rehab a little, it's nowhere near as bad as rupturing it.

Chandler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Chandler wrote:i have a tough time imagining Conley in NY

too old
too small
too hurt
too expensive
then you have the whole thing w him recruiting Gasol etc; this is just a ploy to try and drive the Memphis offer higher

and at the risk of de-railing the conversation, as the season has progressed the more and more I appreciate Phil's wisdom in selecting GRant. I fully think he was aware that this coming year's FA crop of pg and sg were limited and they'd do well to develop a guard. I think where things went wrong is that Jose declined so much on defense. If jose was serviceable -- and imagine further the Knicks winning, being .500 or so -- Grant would have been developed more slowly, playing selectively in appropriate spots etc. Instead Jose sucked and fans and media unrealistically hoped Grant would come in as some rookie pg phenom (which is truly rare)

I hope the Knicks don't reach. When there's a salary cap you're rewarded for wisdom and finding value, not overpaying. I hope that they find a stop gap if anything and use the following year for a FA pg if still necessary

I was looking at a mock draft for next yrs draft. And there are 10 pgs projected for the first round. 6 projected for the top 10. 5 of them are listed at 6'5.

add to this a much better set of FA PGs of various ages

My FA strategy would consider Batum, Barnes, Derozan this Summer, as they are quality players at the right age with well rounded games (Derozan has a bit of an asterisk). For pg he needs to decide whether to add another body short term (team friendly etc) to shore up that position especially on defense. 2017 is the year for pg

Would you eat Dragic's contract from the Heat if they offered Justice Winslow and Josh Richardson?

Because of salary cap i don't think we want any truly bad contracts. At the end of the day salary cap means he who finds value (either in FA or smart drafting) should end up with the better roster. Being aggressive, over paying, or taking risks hurts the team (it's not a matter of being cheap -- it's how the cap influences strategy)

Having said that, if we thought Dragic would thrive in triangle then that could be very intriguing

Value isn't really found in Free agency. Sure you can land a gem here and there over a span of a couple of yrs. But most value contracts have been had by drafted players. Leonard and Curry have both been on value contracts because they were drafted by there teams and given lower max contracts due to there lack of tenure. And your salary cap doesn't effect if you have a draft pick or not. GS overpaid for David Lee. Yet they hit on Klay and Draymond in the draft the following yrs while hitting on Steph prior.

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I think I read the average player plays like 69 or 70 games a year. That said, for many other reasons, I wouldn't give him the max.

in a vacuum, hell no I give him that. Considering no pick, not talent, and no above average guards though I'd give him the cash in a NY minute.

That said, I would beg Washington for John Wall now that they have imploded. But I'm tired of living in pipe dream land... an overpaid Conley is the best the team can do

Oh I think 4 or 5 good role players or 2 starters would make a much better addition than 1 Conley for the same price

Good point. I happen to agree with you. Unless it's KD or DeRozan (and if I had to bet--neither one is coming here), I wouldn't even come close to maxing out anyone else in this summer's FA. What we could do however is be judicious with our cap room and like you said, target a few good role players for reasonable money that can grow into important rotation roles (for some of the guys I've got my eye on--I'm betting a few of them could really take off with expanded usage & responsibility), maintain flexibility, hopefully Melo stays at an all-star level, hopefully KP takes another step next year and then go from there. Need to be diligent and check in on KD and DeRozan but when that goes nowhere, I don't wanna see us throw all our money at "the next best thing." Instead of maxing out Batum, instead of giving Conley/Rondo whatever they want etc., be prudent with the money and turn the focus toward adding young cost-effective components that fill needs with a goal of building a lasting team where you can see progress and the young components coming together to form something good. Maybe we go about it like this for now and remain patient on 'the next big signing.'

Durant? Yes. Derozan? I think 5 good role players would add much more than he does. Derozan is having a strong contract year but for his career he's been just a volume scorer who is average in all other parts of the game. Nothing about his career performance says anything close to max dollars for me. Even this year's performance still doesn't look like max dollars though it's at least closer. Most of the advanced stats actually have his career numbers at the level of a slightly below average NBA player.

Could you extrapolate on that? I'm curious

Now, all of the numbers I just mentioned above look good for this year but still not max-worthy, and I definitely wouldn't give the max for 1 good year in a 7 year career anyway. If we don't get Durant, I think we should just look to get role players on good deals, and try to build a team that attracts legit max players in the future.