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foosballnick
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4/2/2016  12:11 PM
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

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4/2/2016  1:25 PM
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid

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4/2/2016  1:42 PM
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.

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4/2/2016  3:59 PM
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.

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4/2/2016  4:04 PM
I been waiting all season to see a lineup with Quinn n Seraphin as the frontcourt BIGS along with Gallo n Grant in the backcourt.
I had to wait until the 77th game of the season to see the Knicks coach finally put "Quinn n Seraphin" into a lineup together SMFH
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4/2/2016  5:07 PM
Kemet wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.


I understand your passion about this subject but i'm afraid that facts do matter. This team needs an influx of talent but the guys that played were for the most part the guys that should play. This team will win when they improve the guards and wings to a much higher level than we have currently.

Just to be clear about who the best players on the roster are, here are the Knicks Win Share 48 and other advanced stats for this season:


Rk Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Robin Lopez 27 77 2070 17.5 .585 .002 .240 14.6 8.3 0.4 4.3 15.7 17.4 5.5 .127 0.1 1.2 1.4 1.8
2 Derrick Williams 24 75 1294 17.5 .549 .264 .488 11.2 9.1 1.1 0.5 7.9 23.5 3.3 .124 0.0 -2.4 -2.5 -0.2
3 Carmelo Anthony 31 69 2442 20.4 .531 .237 .307 12.1 21.9 1.3 1.0 10.7 29.7 6.2 .121 2.9 -0.3 2.6 2.8
4 Kyle O'Quinn 25 60 684 17.4 .530 .084 .230 17.2 16.0 1.5 4.7 17.8 21.2 0.4 .104 -1.7 2.4 0.8 0.5
5 Kristaps Porzingis 20 72 2047 17.8 .518 .274 .271 14.0 7.8 1.3 5.0 10.9 24.6 4.4 .102 -0.8 0.9 0.1 1.1
6 Jose Calderon 34 72 2024 12.4 .571 .446 .105 6.2 22.4 1.6 0.3 15.4 12.6 4.0 .096 0.5 -0.6 -0.1 1.0
7 Langston Galloway 24 77 1884 11.9 .502 .387 .193 7.9 15.2 1.9 0.8 9.0 15.5 3.2 .082 -0.3 0.1 -0.1 0.9

8 Lance Thomas 27 59 1313 10.4 .557 .285 .312 5.5 6.4 0.9 0.4 11.6 16.9 1.7 .062 -1.1 -2.0 -3.1 -0.4
9 Arron Afflalo 30 66 2226 11.0 .533 .294 .166 6.1 9.8 0.5 0.3 8.8 18.0 1.7 .055 -0.6 1.8 -2.3 -0.2
10 Sasha Vujacic 31 56 762 9.5 .468 .507 .145 9.0 13.6 2.0 0.4 13.6 16.6 0.5 .034 -1.8 -0.6 -2.4 -0.1
11 Lou Amundson 33 27 193 8.4 .417 .000 .510 13.0 9.3 1.6 2.8 15.5 16.7 0.1 .022 -4.3 0.7 -3.6 -0.1
12 Jerian Grant 23 71 1109 10.4 .463 .252 .300 6.1 22.1 1.9 0.6 16.6 18.7 0.4 .019 -2.8 -1.2 -4.1 -0.6
13 Kevin Seraphin 26 45 489 11.2 .438 .010 .120 12.5 15.6 0.8 5.1 16.9 22.5 -0.1 -0.014 -5.6 1.3 -4.3 -0.3

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4/2/2016  5:43 PM
nixluva wrote:
Kemet wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.


I understand your passion about this subject but i'm afraid that facts do matter. This team needs an influx of talent but the guys that played were for the most part the guys that should play. This team will win when they improve the guards and wings to a much higher level than we have currently.

Just to be clear about who the best players on the roster are, here are the Knicks Win Share 48 and other advanced stats for this season:


Rk Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Robin Lopez 27 77 2070 17.5 .585 .002 .240 14.6 8.3 0.4 4.3 15.7 17.4 5.5 .127 0.1 1.2 1.4 1.8
2 Derrick Williams 24 75 1294 17.5 .549 .264 .488 11.2 9.1 1.1 0.5 7.9 23.5 3.3 .124 0.0 -2.4 -2.5 -0.2
3 Carmelo Anthony 31 69 2442 20.4 .531 .237 .307 12.1 21.9 1.3 1.0 10.7 29.7 6.2 .121 2.9 -0.3 2.6 2.8
4 Kyle O'Quinn 25 60 684 17.4 .530 .084 .230 17.2 16.0 1.5 4.7 17.8 21.2 0.4 .104 -1.7 2.4 0.8 0.5
5 Kristaps Porzingis 20 72 2047 17.8 .518 .274 .271 14.0 7.8 1.3 5.0 10.9 24.6 4.4 .102 -0.8 0.9 0.1 1.1
6 Jose Calderon 34 72 2024 12.4 .571 .446 .105 6.2 22.4 1.6 0.3 15.4 12.6 4.0 .096 0.5 -0.6 -0.1 1.0
7 Langston Galloway 24 77 1884 11.9 .502 .387 .193 7.9 15.2 1.9 0.8 9.0 15.5 3.2 .082 -0.3 0.1 -0.1 0.9

8 Lance Thomas 27 59 1313 10.4 .557 .285 .312 5.5 6.4 0.9 0.4 11.6 16.9 1.7 .062 -1.1 -2.0 -3.1 -0.4
9 Arron Afflalo 30 66 2226 11.0 .533 .294 .166 6.1 9.8 0.5 0.3 8.8 18.0 1.7 .055 -0.6 1.8 -2.3 -0.2
10 Sasha Vujacic 31 56 762 9.5 .468 .507 .145 9.0 13.6 2.0 0.4 13.6 16.6 0.5 .034 -1.8 -0.6 -2.4 -0.1
11 Lou Amundson 33 27 193 8.4 .417 .000 .510 13.0 9.3 1.6 2.8 15.5 16.7 0.1 .022 -4.3 0.7 -3.6 -0.1
12 Jerian Grant 23 71 1109 10.4 .463 .252 .300 6.1 22.1 1.9 0.6 16.6 18.7 0.4 .019 -2.8 -1.2 -4.1 -0.6
13 Kevin Seraphin 26 45 489 11.2 .438 .010 .120 12.5 15.6 0.8 5.1 16.9 22.5 -0.1 -0.014 -5.6 1.3 -4.3 -0.3


stats are subjective, but even using your list it would lean to Derrick Williams should have played more, Afflalo played way too much an in reality we only have 3-4 decent to solid players.
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4/2/2016  7:01 PM
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Kemet wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.


I understand your passion about this subject but i'm afraid that facts do matter. This team needs an influx of talent but the guys that played were for the most part the guys that should play. This team will win when they improve the guards and wings to a much higher level than we have currently.

Just to be clear about who the best players on the roster are, here are the Knicks Win Share 48 and other advanced stats for this season:


Rk Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Robin Lopez 27 77 2070 17.5 .585 .002 .240 14.6 8.3 0.4 4.3 15.7 17.4 5.5 .127 0.1 1.2 1.4 1.8
2 Derrick Williams 24 75 1294 17.5 .549 .264 .488 11.2 9.1 1.1 0.5 7.9 23.5 3.3 .124 0.0 -2.4 -2.5 -0.2
3 Carmelo Anthony 31 69 2442 20.4 .531 .237 .307 12.1 21.9 1.3 1.0 10.7 29.7 6.2 .121 2.9 -0.3 2.6 2.8
4 Kyle O'Quinn 25 60 684 17.4 .530 .084 .230 17.2 16.0 1.5 4.7 17.8 21.2 0.4 .104 -1.7 2.4 0.8 0.5
5 Kristaps Porzingis 20 72 2047 17.8 .518 .274 .271 14.0 7.8 1.3 5.0 10.9 24.6 4.4 .102 -0.8 0.9 0.1 1.1
6 Jose Calderon 34 72 2024 12.4 .571 .446 .105 6.2 22.4 1.6 0.3 15.4 12.6 4.0 .096 0.5 -0.6 -0.1 1.0
7 Langston Galloway 24 77 1884 11.9 .502 .387 .193 7.9 15.2 1.9 0.8 9.0 15.5 3.2 .082 -0.3 0.1 -0.1 0.9

8 Lance Thomas 27 59 1313 10.4 .557 .285 .312 5.5 6.4 0.9 0.4 11.6 16.9 1.7 .062 -1.1 -2.0 -3.1 -0.4
9 Arron Afflalo 30 66 2226 11.0 .533 .294 .166 6.1 9.8 0.5 0.3 8.8 18.0 1.7 .055 -0.6 1.8 -2.3 -0.2
10 Sasha Vujacic 31 56 762 9.5 .468 .507 .145 9.0 13.6 2.0 0.4 13.6 16.6 0.5 .034 -1.8 -0.6 -2.4 -0.1
11 Lou Amundson 33 27 193 8.4 .417 .000 .510 13.0 9.3 1.6 2.8 15.5 16.7 0.1 .022 -4.3 0.7 -3.6 -0.1
12 Jerian Grant 23 71 1109 10.4 .463 .252 .300 6.1 22.1 1.9 0.6 16.6 18.7 0.4 .019 -2.8 -1.2 -4.1 -0.6
13 Kevin Seraphin 26 45 489 11.2 .438 .010 .120 12.5 15.6 0.8 5.1 16.9 22.5 -0.1 -0.014 -5.6 1.3 -4.3 -0.3


stats are subjective, but even using your list it would lean to Derrick Williams should have played more, Afflalo played way too much an in reality we only have 3-4 decent to solid players.

Stats are Stats. There's only facts. You are correct that DWILL was one of our better players and should've been used more. But my point is clear that we need better backcourt players cuz most of our better players are forwards and centers. Our guards have some of the worst production and that's not good. You're also correct that we need more talent. Adding 2 quality guards would make a HUGE improvement for this team. IMO going after a Conley or any of the top FA guards on my WS/48 list would significantly improve the team.
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nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Kemet wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.


I understand your passion about this subject but i'm afraid that facts do matter. This team needs an influx of talent but the guys that played were for the most part the guys that should play. This team will win when they improve the guards and wings to a much higher level than we have currently.

Just to be clear about who the best players on the roster are, here are the Knicks Win Share 48 and other advanced stats for this season:


Rk Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Robin Lopez 27 77 2070 17.5 .585 .002 .240 14.6 8.3 0.4 4.3 15.7 17.4 5.5 .127 0.1 1.2 1.4 1.8
2 Derrick Williams 24 75 1294 17.5 .549 .264 .488 11.2 9.1 1.1 0.5 7.9 23.5 3.3 .124 0.0 -2.4 -2.5 -0.2
3 Carmelo Anthony 31 69 2442 20.4 .531 .237 .307 12.1 21.9 1.3 1.0 10.7 29.7 6.2 .121 2.9 -0.3 2.6 2.8
4 Kyle O'Quinn 25 60 684 17.4 .530 .084 .230 17.2 16.0 1.5 4.7 17.8 21.2 0.4 .104 -1.7 2.4 0.8 0.5
5 Kristaps Porzingis 20 72 2047 17.8 .518 .274 .271 14.0 7.8 1.3 5.0 10.9 24.6 4.4 .102 -0.8 0.9 0.1 1.1
6 Jose Calderon 34 72 2024 12.4 .571 .446 .105 6.2 22.4 1.6 0.3 15.4 12.6 4.0 .096 0.5 -0.6 -0.1 1.0
7 Langston Galloway 24 77 1884 11.9 .502 .387 .193 7.9 15.2 1.9 0.8 9.0 15.5 3.2 .082 -0.3 0.1 -0.1 0.9

8 Lance Thomas 27 59 1313 10.4 .557 .285 .312 5.5 6.4 0.9 0.4 11.6 16.9 1.7 .062 -1.1 -2.0 -3.1 -0.4
9 Arron Afflalo 30 66 2226 11.0 .533 .294 .166 6.1 9.8 0.5 0.3 8.8 18.0 1.7 .055 -0.6 1.8 -2.3 -0.2
10 Sasha Vujacic 31 56 762 9.5 .468 .507 .145 9.0 13.6 2.0 0.4 13.6 16.6 0.5 .034 -1.8 -0.6 -2.4 -0.1
11 Lou Amundson 33 27 193 8.4 .417 .000 .510 13.0 9.3 1.6 2.8 15.5 16.7 0.1 .022 -4.3 0.7 -3.6 -0.1
12 Jerian Grant 23 71 1109 10.4 .463 .252 .300 6.1 22.1 1.9 0.6 16.6 18.7 0.4 .019 -2.8 -1.2 -4.1 -0.6
13 Kevin Seraphin 26 45 489 11.2 .438 .010 .120 12.5 15.6 0.8 5.1 16.9 22.5 -0.1 -0.014 -5.6 1.3 -4.3 -0.3


stats are subjective, but even using your list it would lean to Derrick Williams should have played more, Afflalo played way too much an in reality we only have 3-4 decent to solid players.

Stats are Stats. There's only facts. You are correct that DWILL was one of our better players and should've been used more. But my point is clear that we need better backcourt players cuz most of our better players are forwards and centers. Our guards have some of the worst production and that's not good. You're also correct that we need more talent. Adding 2 quality guards would make a HUGE improvement for this team. IMO going after a Conley or any of the top FA guards on my WS/48 list would significantly improve the team.

While the team does need better guards, we needs guards that are NBA quality and not just upgrades over what we have. A player like Afflalo was seen as an upgrade based on what we have, when he should have been based on who he was as a player. Same with Calderon.

That's a mistake previous regimes have made, and hopefully Phil isn't locked into that, although it seems that he might be, but we'll certainly know for sure after this free agency.

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knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Kemet wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.


I understand your passion about this subject but i'm afraid that facts do matter. This team needs an influx of talent but the guys that played were for the most part the guys that should play. This team will win when they improve the guards and wings to a much higher level than we have currently.

Just to be clear about who the best players on the roster are, here are the Knicks Win Share 48 and other advanced stats for this season:


Rk Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Robin Lopez 27 77 2070 17.5 .585 .002 .240 14.6 8.3 0.4 4.3 15.7 17.4 5.5 .127 0.1 1.2 1.4 1.8
2 Derrick Williams 24 75 1294 17.5 .549 .264 .488 11.2 9.1 1.1 0.5 7.9 23.5 3.3 .124 0.0 -2.4 -2.5 -0.2
3 Carmelo Anthony 31 69 2442 20.4 .531 .237 .307 12.1 21.9 1.3 1.0 10.7 29.7 6.2 .121 2.9 -0.3 2.6 2.8
4 Kyle O'Quinn 25 60 684 17.4 .530 .084 .230 17.2 16.0 1.5 4.7 17.8 21.2 0.4 .104 -1.7 2.4 0.8 0.5
5 Kristaps Porzingis 20 72 2047 17.8 .518 .274 .271 14.0 7.8 1.3 5.0 10.9 24.6 4.4 .102 -0.8 0.9 0.1 1.1
6 Jose Calderon 34 72 2024 12.4 .571 .446 .105 6.2 22.4 1.6 0.3 15.4 12.6 4.0 .096 0.5 -0.6 -0.1 1.0
7 Langston Galloway 24 77 1884 11.9 .502 .387 .193 7.9 15.2 1.9 0.8 9.0 15.5 3.2 .082 -0.3 0.1 -0.1 0.9

8 Lance Thomas 27 59 1313 10.4 .557 .285 .312 5.5 6.4 0.9 0.4 11.6 16.9 1.7 .062 -1.1 -2.0 -3.1 -0.4
9 Arron Afflalo 30 66 2226 11.0 .533 .294 .166 6.1 9.8 0.5 0.3 8.8 18.0 1.7 .055 -0.6 1.8 -2.3 -0.2
10 Sasha Vujacic 31 56 762 9.5 .468 .507 .145 9.0 13.6 2.0 0.4 13.6 16.6 0.5 .034 -1.8 -0.6 -2.4 -0.1
11 Lou Amundson 33 27 193 8.4 .417 .000 .510 13.0 9.3 1.6 2.8 15.5 16.7 0.1 .022 -4.3 0.7 -3.6 -0.1
12 Jerian Grant 23 71 1109 10.4 .463 .252 .300 6.1 22.1 1.9 0.6 16.6 18.7 0.4 .019 -2.8 -1.2 -4.1 -0.6
13 Kevin Seraphin 26 45 489 11.2 .438 .010 .120 12.5 15.6 0.8 5.1 16.9 22.5 -0.1 -0.014 -5.6 1.3 -4.3 -0.3


stats are subjective, but even using your list it would lean to Derrick Williams should have played more, Afflalo played way too much an in reality we only have 3-4 decent to solid players.

Stats are Stats. There's only facts. You are correct that DWILL was one of our better players and should've been used more. But my point is clear that we need better backcourt players cuz most of our better players are forwards and centers. Our guards have some of the worst production and that's not good. You're also correct that we need more talent. Adding 2 quality guards would make a HUGE improvement for this team. IMO going after a Conley or any of the top FA guards on my WS/48 list would significantly improve the team.

While the team does need better guards, we needs guards that are NBA quality and not just upgrades over what we have. A player like Afflalo was seen as an upgrade based on what we have, when he should have been based on who he was as a player. Same with Calderon.

That's a mistake previous regimes have made, and hopefully Phil isn't locked into that, although it seems that he might be, but we'll certainly know for sure after this free agency.


This is exactly what I was saying above. To move the needle appreciatively we need GOOD players and not just fill ins like Afflalo was. Remember he was never supposed to be the final solution to our needs, but you can't go into a season with nothing. Phil knows what kind of talent you need to win a title! I mean seriously who would know better than the guy that had Jordan and Kobe? Thing is that the top players are hard to get, obviously.

Phil from what he's said and done is looking for guards that can penetrate, dish, shoot and DEFEND. Just gotta hope he can land at least one top guard this summer and hopefully at least 2 quality guards.

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Kemet wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.


Jerami Grant left Cuse after his sophomore year. He probably is drafted a lot higher if he stayed another year. Was he getting family advice?
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CrushAlot wrote:
Kemet wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.


Jerami Grant left Cuse after his sophomore year. He probably is drafted a lot higher if he stayed another year. Was he getting family advice?

He has another older brother that's playing in Europe. Just saying.

Jerami Grant is super aggressive and less talented. I wish that trait was passed on to Jeremy

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Again and again....

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One thing I've notice about Jerian is his legs. He takes short funny looking close strides when dribbles up the court. Watch his legs when he defends. He keeps them a little to close instead of keeping them shoulder width apart. Just an observation, Has anyone else notice
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wh4t wrote:One thing I've notice about Jerian is his legs. He takes short funny looking close strides when dribbles up the court. Watch his legs when he defends. He keeps them a little to close instead of keeping them shoulder width apart. Just an observation, Has anyone else notice

Yeah we've all commented on it at different times. When wants to he can really move. My thinking is he's not totally comfortable pushing the ball at full speed against NBA guards and keeps a lot of space between him and his defender. Jerian has to improve and play with more confidence.

Gallo isn't much of a PG but he's not scared and he can play aggressively. He's gotta get more consistent with his offense tho. We really needed more from his offense much of the season.

Wroten has better handles than any of our guards, more speed, explosion and LOVES to push the ball. I really hope he can get fully healthy and improve his jumper cuz he'd be another big aggressive guard we could use. He comes around screens and dribble handoffs with more speed and elusiveness going to the basket. Very similar to Shved. He needs more training in how to run a team but hopefully he can make the most of this opportunity.

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wh4t wrote:One thing I've notice about Jerian is his legs. He takes short funny looking close strides when dribbles up the court. Watch his legs when he defends. He keeps them a little to close instead of keeping them shoulder width apart. Just an observation, Has anyone else notice

I've pointed it out before. He also plays defense standing straight up.

There's so many basic things wrong with him yet Kurt Rambis is an ******* for not playing him. There is a clear reason

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nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Kemet wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
foosballnick wrote:
nixluva wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
SocraticBallin22 wrote:Grant really needs his own thread outside of the gamethread?!? lol Is he Wroten or something?

Yeah I think he does. Dude is important for our club. He's worth attention.

Besides is fun. We can over analyze and break his game down. Hard to imagine anyone going to a knicks message board to actually talk basketball huh?

This team was hoping for more from Jerian even as a rookie. His development is huge for this team. He is after all a 1st rd pick. For rebuilding teams to be successful they have to hit on enough of their picks to form a core. Jerian does have talent but he's got to learn how to use it to impact games.

When he plays aggressively he shows the talent he has but not when he gives up his dribble to early or hesitates out there. IMO Grant has to attack on dribble hand offs and screens.

My theory is that he is hesitating because he is thinking too much in the triangle. He's much more comfortable as a P&R, drive to the rim type player.

Basketball is basketball. If you can play you can play. Blowing lay ups and falling to the ground has nothing to do with the offense. He's having problems with basic basketball plays. He's 23 and played 5 years in college. No excuses for this kid


For me Jerian has several things holding him back right now.

1. He's not aggressive enough. He should be pushing the ball like Sasha does. It gives the team a shot to catch the D before it's fully set and more time on the shot clock to run half court stuff. Everytime I see him come up slow with his mini chop steps it drives me crazy. He most certainly has another gear and should be pushing and probing early.

2. He's not strong enough. He actually looks smaller than he did coming into the season. He can't handle contact at all.

3. He's not decisive enough. He has to come off drag screens like he's on fire. He shouldn't be picking up his dribble so much. He gets stuck like that way too often. He looks to feed the post way too much. It's an option but you don't have to take it every time down. For instance they give RoLo the ball even after he's been pushed out too far. A PG must recognize when it's not smart to give a big the ball and instead call him out for a pick.


If u dont know .. here some news on Grant, Grant's family played pro-ball so they made sure Grant stay in college to receive his bachelor-degree before entering the draft.
Grant n Gallo NBA skills would have enhance 5 time more than it did this season if they weren't always put into a lineup with bad decsion-making isolation players Melo AA n Calderon controlling the ball

I dont care what anyone say "The Knicks coaches coached to LOSE games !!!"
Our coaches put out a POOR BUM starter lineup of Calderon Afflalo Melo n Porzingis for the season.
They showed to be four bum isolation-starters having a high-school b.ball IQ .. I said it!
The Four Knicks starter performance and so-call chemistry turned out be a classical highlight laughter of a failure triangle built to LOSE!
I dont see any of the 2016 offseason TOP FA players wanting to be on the court next season with any of our Four Bum Starters if we pay them twice their worth.

Our 7 yr veteran center Rolo showed great talent on both sides of the court while being in the same lineup with our four BUM starters to start each game.
It makes me think .. maybe it was Rolo idea not to play in the 4th quarter with 4 four isolation starters.


I understand your passion about this subject but i'm afraid that facts do matter. This team needs an influx of talent but the guys that played were for the most part the guys that should play. This team will win when they improve the guards and wings to a much higher level than we have currently.

Just to be clear about who the best players on the roster are, here are the Knicks Win Share 48 and other advanced stats for this season:


Rk Player Age G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% WS WS/48 ▾ OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Robin Lopez 27 77 2070 17.5 .585 .002 .240 14.6 8.3 0.4 4.3 15.7 17.4 5.5 .127 0.1 1.2 1.4 1.8
2 Derrick Williams 24 75 1294 17.5 .549 .264 .488 11.2 9.1 1.1 0.5 7.9 23.5 3.3 .124 0.0 -2.4 -2.5 -0.2
3 Carmelo Anthony 31 69 2442 20.4 .531 .237 .307 12.1 21.9 1.3 1.0 10.7 29.7 6.2 .121 2.9 -0.3 2.6 2.8
4 Kyle O'Quinn 25 60 684 17.4 .530 .084 .230 17.2 16.0 1.5 4.7 17.8 21.2 0.4 .104 -1.7 2.4 0.8 0.5
5 Kristaps Porzingis 20 72 2047 17.8 .518 .274 .271 14.0 7.8 1.3 5.0 10.9 24.6 4.4 .102 -0.8 0.9 0.1 1.1
6 Jose Calderon 34 72 2024 12.4 .571 .446 .105 6.2 22.4 1.6 0.3 15.4 12.6 4.0 .096 0.5 -0.6 -0.1 1.0
7 Langston Galloway 24 77 1884 11.9 .502 .387 .193 7.9 15.2 1.9 0.8 9.0 15.5 3.2 .082 -0.3 0.1 -0.1 0.9

8 Lance Thomas 27 59 1313 10.4 .557 .285 .312 5.5 6.4 0.9 0.4 11.6 16.9 1.7 .062 -1.1 -2.0 -3.1 -0.4
9 Arron Afflalo 30 66 2226 11.0 .533 .294 .166 6.1 9.8 0.5 0.3 8.8 18.0 1.7 .055 -0.6 1.8 -2.3 -0.2
10 Sasha Vujacic 31 56 762 9.5 .468 .507 .145 9.0 13.6 2.0 0.4 13.6 16.6 0.5 .034 -1.8 -0.6 -2.4 -0.1
11 Lou Amundson 33 27 193 8.4 .417 .000 .510 13.0 9.3 1.6 2.8 15.5 16.7 0.1 .022 -4.3 0.7 -3.6 -0.1
12 Jerian Grant 23 71 1109 10.4 .463 .252 .300 6.1 22.1 1.9 0.6 16.6 18.7 0.4 .019 -2.8 -1.2 -4.1 -0.6
13 Kevin Seraphin 26 45 489 11.2 .438 .010 .120 12.5 15.6 0.8 5.1 16.9 22.5 -0.1 -0.014 -5.6 1.3 -4.3 -0.3


stats are subjective, but even using your list it would lean to Derrick Williams should have played more, Afflalo played way too much an in reality we only have 3-4 decent to solid players.

Stats are Stats. There's only facts. You are correct that DWILL was one of our better players and should've been used more. But my point is clear that we need better backcourt players cuz most of our better players are forwards and centers. Our guards have some of the worst production and that's not good. You're also correct that we need more talent. Adding 2 quality guards would make a HUGE improvement for this team. IMO going after a Conley or any of the top FA guards on my WS/48 list would significantly improve the team.

While the team does need better guards, we needs guards that are NBA quality and not just upgrades over what we have. A player like Afflalo was seen as an upgrade based on what we have, when he should have been based on who he was as a player. Same with Calderon.

That's a mistake previous regimes have made, and hopefully Phil isn't locked into that, although it seems that he might be, but we'll certainly know for sure after this free agency.


This is exactly what I was saying above. To move the needle appreciatively we need GOOD players and not just fill ins like Afflalo was. Remember he was never supposed to be the final solution to our needs, but you can't go into a season with nothing. Phil knows what kind of talent you need to win a title! I mean seriously who would know better than the guy that had Jordan and Kobe? Thing is that the top players are hard to get, obviously.

Phil from what he's said and done is looking for guards that can penetrate, dish, shoot and DEFEND. Just gotta hope he can land at least one top guard this summer and hopefully at least 2 quality guards.


I'm not getting into the first part. I can name several people I would have no issues with based on the them winning titles. I do hope he does do just that though, although based on what he's acquired previous he hasn't. We don't have any guards currently that can do even three of things you've listed.
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