EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

mreinman wrote:like him in my heart but overrated and below avg WS48. Not good enough defensively to make up for his inefficiency.

Still worth some money but not nearly as much as jilted knicks fans are willing to give him.

He's making 2 mil now? How much you think he should get?

6 ish?

What are jilted knicks fans willing to give him?

I'd give him a 4 year deal - maybe player or team option on 4 - and give him 4-6 per year, maybe higher on the front end, lower as it goes- something like 6,6,5&5.

And I'd be confident that we'd have at least our back up PG squared away. And nothing else, assuming we keep guys and don't upgrade and just gel and develop guys here, you'd hope to get back to the 500 ball we played for the entire season.

EnySpree wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Knicks- Melo, Dolan, Media & Knicks fans deserve to be where the Knicks are today for their treatment of Jeremy Lin. Forever buried in their sinkhole of suckingness and complete ineptitude

Agree with you bro' 150% !

Thats exaggerated. Lin would still be a knick if he didn't flip his contract in the lady minute by signing in Houston with that poison pill contact.

Also you been a knick fan to long to say we deserve where we are because how we treated Lin. Sounds like you are still in high school with no other knick memory to draw from.

That's part of the charm of brainless Melohate.

Nalod wrote:Lin is thriving under Steve Clifford in this role. Give them both credit.

Lin has not played this well since Linsanity. His performance as a knick if he came back or anywhere else was not a given.

Yes indeed, Lin's playing well at this very moment, so let's concentrate on yet another shiny thing. Especially if it dredges up 4 year old groupie panty bunching tirades.
Hey! what happened to Jimmer? Is the Toney Wroten thread up to 40 pages yet? Where's Rondo? Any new Marbles statues unveiled lately? I hear BDiddie is ripping up the Dleague!

What we need is a point guard who's averaging 2.9 assists per game. Maybe he can play small forward and we can move Melo to PG?

fishmike wrote:Well guns, VMart... you guys were a 100% correct. Melo ran Lin out of town for sure. This was in a recent interview:

Lin said his relationship with Melo during his time with the Knicks was “fine.”

“He was always nice to me. He took us out to eat,” Lin said. “I’ve hung out with him a few times and stuff. And so, like I’ve said for a long time, I've never had issues with him.”

So if you read into this the disses are pretty obvious. Only hung out a "few times" ??? Clearly token attention for Melo to cover is ass. If Melo cared or was a good leader he would have taken Lin out "lots of times."

"I have never had issues with him." ISSUES. Plural. see that? However its clear he leaves open the fact that he does have an ISSUE. As in one. And that is that he hates Melo for driving him out of town, forcing him to go back to Houston upping the contract to $8mm a year. Hey... its $2mm less than Steph Curry got on his new deal so that's about right for Lin's market. Nothing "ridiculous" about that!

I think we can call this case closed. Melo drove Lin out of town, Knick idiots who voted Melo to the AS game all suffer accordingly.

I said this before the brand is more important than the Knicks melo can't even finish 82 games and he wants All Star and Olympics where is the importance to the team dishing 24 Million? That summer meeting with Woodson, Chandler, Melo and Lin for some reason was the end of Linsanity in NY. For some reason after that meeting Lin wanted out. I know for a fact Chandler loved playing with Lin. Woodson well would have done whatever Melo wanted because he was just happy to have a job. Melo hated Lin getting attention just as his buddy Steven A Smith did these guys wear their emotions on their sleeves and you can read them like a book.

If you read Lin's take on Amare it was night and day vs his take on Melo.

fishmike wrote:I would offer Lin AA's deal +1. 3 years $24mm ($8mm per) with the last year a player option.

and that is how we got stuck with afflalo. Fans overrated him when it was obvious what he was.

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:I would offer Lin AA's deal +1. 3 years $24mm ($8mm per) with the last year a player option.

and that is how we got stuck with afflalo. Fans overrated him when it was obvious what he was.

Don't believe that to be the case. The SG market was pretty weak after the top tier guys like Butler and Middleton. Signing Affalo for a 2 yr deal at 16mil was pretty reasonable. Affalo is also moveable. Teams like Detroit, Mavs, Cavs, Mia, Bucks, would probably take him as a role playing shooter.

lets see when he opts in if there are takers. Afflalo sucks and while the contract is not debilitating, it is far from the great deal for the good player that many thought they were getting.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Knicks- Melo, Dolan, Media & Knicks fans deserve to be where the Knicks are today for their treatment of Jeremy Lin. Forever buried in their sinkhole of suckingness and complete ineptitude

Agree with you bro' 150% !

Thats exaggerated. Lin would still be a knick if he didn't flip his contract in the lady minute by signing in Houston with that poison pill contact.

Also you been a knick fan to long to say we deserve where we are because how we treated Lin. Sounds like you are still in high school with no other knick memory to draw from.

I still think Melo ran him out of town, dude became bigger than Melo and Melo don't like some one stepping on his brand.

Keep telling yourself that! Im sure Guns will follow you on twitter! Im sure it had nothing to do with the poison pill contract, or when Woody said "we will match anything" Lin went, got a NEW contract and Knicks said no phucking way. You guys are so funny. The only FACTS about that situation are that Melo encouraged MDA to give Lin time. Everything else is speculation and no matter how many times Guns says it was Melo's fault that doesn't make it true.

Melo encouraged MDA? Where did you get that from. I'm gonna go with what Amare had to sayhttp://www.si.com/nba/2016/02/28/amare-stoudemire-jeremy-lin-knicks-quote-carmelo-anthony.

Poison pill was so overrated Lin was a tradable asset. I'm not saying Lin was end all be all. The players were having fun playing with Lin.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:I would offer Lin AA's deal +1. 3 years $24mm ($8mm per) with the last year a player option.

and that is how we got stuck with afflalo. Fans overrated him when it was obvious what he was.

Agree. Let's overpay for another guy that can't shoot consistently. We don't have any of those. Lin turns 25 games with NY into 30 million! Goes has mediocre years and gets dumped by both Lakers and Rockets. Gets picked up for actual value with Charlotte and now has a decent set of 10 games and NY fans are ready to give him another 30 mil. Smh. To me, the team needs to pick up high 3pt percentage guys. As this old dinosaur of an offense relys heavily on them a bit more than pick and roll guys. Specially over rated ones.

Paris907 wrote:Knicks are 7th LEAST effective team shooting the three. Jacksons response? EVAN Turner who's shooting 20% this year from 3. Stubborn. I guess if you have Uber athletes who can D up shooting guards (I think Pippin would have contained Curry), then it makes sense. Likewise MJ was 1st team all D. He's shut down Thompson. That's why Phil thinks as he does but that was then and this is now

Why do you think that it is Jackson's response? He hasn't made one move that would indicate Turner. I get that we all have opinions on different players and which would fit and which wouldn't, but why set up a straw man argument that doesn't exist?