knickscity wrote:The surprise isn't the Sixers giving up on him but rather the Grizzlies doing it so soon after drafting him. he has a kack for getting to the rack, that's a plus for this team that doesn't do it much. But will he have the ball to do so? Definitely have to tweak the offense to do so.

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knickscity wrote:Shved excelled because he was basically the primary scorer. Wroten wont see that action with Melo and Porzingis out there. The system will certainly be tweaked.

The Plays i'm showing you are how any of our players can get a scoring opportunity. If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score. The more successful that guard is the more touches he'll get. The main way Wroten will create more scoring opportunities is to push the ball which he will do. You are assuming things that aren't necessarily true. Wroten could average similar FGA's to what Shved did while also playing with Melo and KP.

PLAYER	                FGM	FGA
Alexey Shved, PG†	4.6	11.3
Carmelo Anthony, SF	7.8	18.1
Kristaps Porzingis, PF	5.1	12.1
Arron Afflalo, SG	5.4	11.8
Langston Galloway, SG	2.8	7.0
Jose Calderon, PG	2.9	6.4
Jerian Grant, PG	1.7	4.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG	1.3	3.8
Robin Lopez, C	        4.3	7.8
Derrick Williams, PF	2.9	6.7
Lance Thomas, SF	2.9	6.5
Kyle O'Quinn, PF	2.0	4.0

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Shved excelled because he was basically the primary scorer. Wroten wont see that action with Melo and Porzingis out there. The system will certainly be tweaked.

Sure Shved BECAME a primary option because he took the opportunities given him. There was no plan for him to be the primary option as if he was a superstar. You have a very revisionist version of what really happened. Shved took the openings and ran with it. Of course not having Melo and KP would allow for even more scoring opportunities but you're mistaken if you think Wroten wouldn't get a lot of scoring opportunities by pushing the ball and attacking aggressively the way he can and should.

The Plays i'm showing you are how any of our players can get a scoring opportunity. If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score. The more successful that guard is the more touches he'll get. The main way Wroten will create more scoring opportunities is to push the ball which he will do. You are assuming things that aren't necessarily true. Wroten could average similar FGA's to what Shved did while also playing with Melo and KP.

PLAYER	                FGM	FGA
Alexey Shved, PG†	4.6	11.3
Carmelo Anthony, SF	7.8	18.1
Kristaps Porzingis, PF	5.1	12.1
Arron Afflalo, SG	5.4	11.8
Langston Galloway, SG	2.8	7.0
Jose Calderon, PG	2.9	6.4
Jerian Grant, PG	1.7	4.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG	1.3	3.8
Robin Lopez, C	        4.3	7.8
Derrick Williams, PF	2.9	6.7
Lance Thomas, SF	2.9	6.5
Kyle O'Quinn, PF	2.0	4.0

you are assuming that wroten's chances of success are good but they are terrible.

The need to get him in the system and working with him. Get his conditioning up and let him play, so he can get a feel for this system. No different than any other young player.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Shved excelled because he was basically the primary scorer. Wroten wont see that action with Melo and Porzingis out there. The system will certainly be tweaked.

Sure Shved BECAME a primary option because he took the opportunities given him. There was no plan for him to be the primary option as if he was a superstar. You have a very revisionist version of what really happened. Shved took the openings and ran with it. Of course not having Melo and KP would allow for even more scoring opportunities but you're mistaken if you think Wroten wouldn't get a lot of scoring opportunities by pushing the ball and attacking aggressively the way he can and should.

The Plays i'm showing you are how any of our players can get a scoring opportunity. If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score. The more successful that guard is the more touches he'll get. The main way Wroten will create more scoring opportunities is to push the ball which he will do. You are assuming things that aren't necessarily true. Wroten could average similar FGA's to what Shved did while also playing with Melo and KP.

PLAYER	                FGM	FGA
Alexey Shved, PG†	4.6	11.3
Carmelo Anthony, SF	7.8	18.1
Kristaps Porzingis, PF	5.1	12.1
Arron Afflalo, SG	5.4	11.8
Langston Galloway, SG	2.8	7.0
Jose Calderon, PG	2.9	6.4
Jerian Grant, PG	1.7	4.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG	1.3	3.8
Robin Lopez, C	        4.3	7.8
Derrick Williams, PF	2.9	6.7
Lance Thomas, SF	2.9	6.5
Kyle O'Quinn, PF	2.0	4.0

I'm not saying he wont get any chances, but your belief that in your words.

If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score

That's some utter bull and you know it.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Shved excelled because he was basically the primary scorer. Wroten wont see that action with Melo and Porzingis out there. The system will certainly be tweaked.

Sure Shved BECAME a primary option because he took the opportunities given him. There was no plan for him to be the primary option as if he was a superstar. You have a very revisionist version of what really happened. Shved took the openings and ran with it. Of course not having Melo and KP would allow for even more scoring opportunities but you're mistaken if you think Wroten wouldn't get a lot of scoring opportunities by pushing the ball and attacking aggressively the way he can and should.

The Plays i'm showing you are how any of our players can get a scoring opportunity. If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score. The more successful that guard is the more touches he'll get. The main way Wroten will create more scoring opportunities is to push the ball which he will do. You are assuming things that aren't necessarily true. Wroten could average similar FGA's to what Shved did while also playing with Melo and KP.

PLAYER	                FGM	FGA
Alexey Shved, PG†	4.6	11.3
Carmelo Anthony, SF	7.8	18.1
Kristaps Porzingis, PF	5.1	12.1
Arron Afflalo, SG	5.4	11.8
Langston Galloway, SG	2.8	7.0
Jose Calderon, PG	2.9	6.4
Jerian Grant, PG	1.7	4.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG	1.3	3.8
Robin Lopez, C	        4.3	7.8
Derrick Williams, PF	2.9	6.7
Lance Thomas, SF	2.9	6.5
Kyle O'Quinn, PF	2.0	4.0

Shved got those attempts because Melo was injured, and if you think Wroten will have a green light just because he's the pg, you're more delusional than I thought you were. I like him, but no way I would want him being the primary scorer, and no one on the team would either.

I'm not saying he wont get any chances, but your belief that in your words.

If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score

That's some utter bull and you know it.

Once Wroten gets comfortable and fully healthy I expect him to play the way he always plays. Fast and aggressive. If there's nothing there then he can run the half court stuff but still attack the rim.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Shved excelled because he was basically the primary scorer. Wroten wont see that action with Melo and Porzingis out there. The system will certainly be tweaked.

Sure Shved BECAME a primary option because he took the opportunities given him. There was no plan for him to be the primary option as if he was a superstar. You have a very revisionist version of what really happened. Shved took the openings and ran with it. Of course not having Melo and KP would allow for even more scoring opportunities but you're mistaken if you think Wroten wouldn't get a lot of scoring opportunities by pushing the ball and attacking aggressively the way he can and should.

The Plays i'm showing you are how any of our players can get a scoring opportunity. If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score. The more successful that guard is the more touches he'll get. The main way Wroten will create more scoring opportunities is to push the ball which he will do. You are assuming things that aren't necessarily true. Wroten could average similar FGA's to what Shved did while also playing with Melo and KP.

PLAYER	                FGM	FGA
Alexey Shved, PG†	4.6	11.3
Carmelo Anthony, SF	7.8	18.1
Kristaps Porzingis, PF	5.1	12.1
Arron Afflalo, SG	5.4	11.8
Langston Galloway, SG	2.8	7.0
Jose Calderon, PG	2.9	6.4
Jerian Grant, PG	1.7	4.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG	1.3	3.8
Robin Lopez, C	        4.3	7.8
Derrick Williams, PF	2.9	6.7
Lance Thomas, SF	2.9	6.5
Kyle O'Quinn, PF	2.0	4.0

you are assuming that wroten's chances of success are good but they are terrible.

Perhaps you're right, but you can also be wrong about that since you really don't know how he's going to respond to this opportunity. I'm only basing my opinion on what I know of his skills and talents. They fit the kind of role he'd be asked to play. It's not a guarantee of course but a high likelyhood that he can fit. He still needs a lot of development as a player so i'm not saying he's going to instantly make a miraculous jump. Don't get me wrong about that. Just that Wroten's base talent is right for this style of ball.

The need to get him in the system and working with him. Get his conditioning up and let him play, so he can get a feel for this system. No different than any other young player.

"a high likelyhood that he can fit" ??? do you see what is wrong with that?

Now you're just being obtuse. There are no 100% guarantees with Wroten. He's a prospect that they believe can fit for the same reasons I've stated.

I am being obtuse? Did you read what you wrote? I am not sure that you even realize what you wrote?

there is a high likely hood that he CAN (you mean will?) fit? C'mon. There is a very tiny chance that he will succeed.

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Shved excelled because he was basically the primary scorer. Wroten wont see that action with Melo and Porzingis out there. The system will certainly be tweaked.

Sure Shved BECAME a primary option because he took the opportunities given him. There was no plan for him to be the primary option as if he was a superstar. You have a very revisionist version of what really happened. Shved took the openings and ran with it. Of course not having Melo and KP would allow for even more scoring opportunities but you're mistaken if you think Wroten wouldn't get a lot of scoring opportunities by pushing the ball and attacking aggressively the way he can and should.

The Plays i'm showing you are how any of our players can get a scoring opportunity. If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score. The more successful that guard is the more touches he'll get. The main way Wroten will create more scoring opportunities is to push the ball which he will do. You are assuming things that aren't necessarily true. Wroten could average similar FGA's to what Shved did while also playing with Melo and KP.

PLAYER	                FGM	FGA
Alexey Shved, PG†	4.6	11.3
Carmelo Anthony, SF	7.8	18.1
Kristaps Porzingis, PF	5.1	12.1
Arron Afflalo, SG	5.4	11.8
Langston Galloway, SG	2.8	7.0
Jose Calderon, PG	2.9	6.4
Jerian Grant, PG	1.7	4.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG	1.3	3.8
Robin Lopez, C	        4.3	7.8
Derrick Williams, PF	2.9	6.7
Lance Thomas, SF	2.9	6.5
Kyle O'Quinn, PF	2.0	4.0

you are assuming that wroten's chances of success are good but they are terrible.

I am not usually one to tout fringe signings, but I think Wroten can be good here. I am excited to see him get healthy and play.

Just a gut feeling? If yes, thats fine. I have a gut feeling about early.

do you think that wroten has more than a 25% of him making our rotation?

WaltLongmire wrote:Still don't see Wroten as anything like Shved as a distributor.

The cult-like love for Wroten is along the line of how some had a crush on Jimmer or Stein prior to the draft.

Continues to amaze me how we some players develop a stubborn following of fans who refuse to see the player for what he really is.

Phil seems to have given him a team friendly contract, but what annoys me is that we did not sign someone to a 10 Day deal who could actually play ball at this time.

The Wroten signing is as much about Phil giving Rambis a chance to prove himself with the guys he has nowwithout having to worry about developing another young player.

Willie Cauley Stein currently has a WS/48 that is much higher than Kristaps Porzingis, Walt. Did you ever stop to consider your own fan boy bias?

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Shved excelled because he was basically the primary scorer. Wroten wont see that action with Melo and Porzingis out there. The system will certainly be tweaked.

Sure Shved BECAME a primary option because he took the opportunities given him. There was no plan for him to be the primary option as if he was a superstar. You have a very revisionist version of what really happened. Shved took the openings and ran with it. Of course not having Melo and KP would allow for even more scoring opportunities but you're mistaken if you think Wroten wouldn't get a lot of scoring opportunities by pushing the ball and attacking aggressively the way he can and should.

The Plays i'm showing you are how any of our players can get a scoring opportunity. If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score. The more successful that guard is the more touches he'll get. The main way Wroten will create more scoring opportunities is to push the ball which he will do. You are assuming things that aren't necessarily true. Wroten could average similar FGA's to what Shved did while also playing with Melo and KP.

PLAYER	                FGM	FGA
Alexey Shved, PG†	4.6	11.3
Carmelo Anthony, SF	7.8	18.1
Kristaps Porzingis, PF	5.1	12.1
Arron Afflalo, SG	5.4	11.8
Langston Galloway, SG	2.8	7.0
Jose Calderon, PG	2.9	6.4
Jerian Grant, PG	1.7	4.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG	1.3	3.8
Robin Lopez, C	        4.3	7.8
Derrick Williams, PF	2.9	6.7
Lance Thomas, SF	2.9	6.5
Kyle O'Quinn, PF	2.0	4.0

you are assuming that wroten's chances of success are good but they are terrible.

I am not usually one to tout fringe signings, but I think Wroten can be good here. I am excited to see him get healthy and play.

Just a gut feeling? If yes, thats fine. I have a gut feeling about early.

do you think that wroten has more than a 25% of him making our rotation?

Mainly a gut feeling. But it is based on watching him play extremely well against very good competition when healthy. He was not healthy this season. Last season, before he got injured, he was good. Season before he was good. I think he has the tools, if he fully recovers, to be a very good player.

at what point in his career do you feel that he had ok stats?

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:Shved excelled because he was basically the primary scorer. Wroten wont see that action with Melo and Porzingis out there. The system will certainly be tweaked.

Sure Shved BECAME a primary option because he took the opportunities given him. There was no plan for him to be the primary option as if he was a superstar. You have a very revisionist version of what really happened. Shved took the openings and ran with it. Of course not having Melo and KP would allow for even more scoring opportunities but you're mistaken if you think Wroten wouldn't get a lot of scoring opportunities by pushing the ball and attacking aggressively the way he can and should.

The Plays i'm showing you are how any of our players can get a scoring opportunity. If you are a guard coming down with the ball you have the very 1st option to try and score. The more successful that guard is the more touches he'll get. The main way Wroten will create more scoring opportunities is to push the ball which he will do. You are assuming things that aren't necessarily true. Wroten could average similar FGA's to what Shved did while also playing with Melo and KP.

PLAYER	                FGM	FGA
Alexey Shved, PG†	4.6	11.3
Carmelo Anthony, SF	7.8	18.1
Kristaps Porzingis, PF	5.1	12.1
Arron Afflalo, SG	5.4	11.8
Langston Galloway, SG	2.8	7.0
Jose Calderon, PG	2.9	6.4
Jerian Grant, PG	1.7	4.5
Sasha Vujacic, SG	1.3	3.8
Robin Lopez, C	        4.3	7.8
Derrick Williams, PF	2.9	6.7
Lance Thomas, SF	2.9	6.5
Kyle O'Quinn, PF	2.0	4.0

you are assuming that wroten's chances of success are good but they are terrible.

I am not usually one to tout fringe signings, but I think Wroten can be good here. I am excited to see him get healthy and play.

Just a gut feeling? If yes, thats fine. I have a gut feeling about early.

do you think that wroten has more than a 25% of him making our rotation?

Mainly a gut feeling. But it is based on watching him play extremely well against very good competition when healthy. He was not healthy this season. Last season, before he got injured, he was good. Season before he was good. I think he has the tools, if he fully recovers, to be a very good player.

at what point in his career do you feel that he had ok stats?

Efficiency-wise? Never. But I do chalk that up to playing for a Sixers team that was not remotely even bothering with the idea of winning. He was thrown to the wolves as a 20yr old, 21yr old, and had to figure it out on his own with subpar teammates. He showed some skills at getting to the rim and getting his own shots. Barely got to play with Nerlens Noel, barely played with MCW, had no other good teammates. That's why I think he deserves a shot. He's 6'6" and can get to the rim at will and make plays for others and defend. Does he need a better shot? Sure. Does he need to learn to protect the ball better aka fewer turnovers? Yes. But those last two you can work on, those first four things are much harder to teach.

very few players go from be a terrible shooter like him to being serviceable. For some reason, I see post after post assuming that this is a simple fix. Tell that to landry fields.

How about MCW who I killed for his shooting and praised the trade? How come he still can't shoot? Too hard to change.