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nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
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Yeah Phil is going to reduce his value in the market.
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3/12/2016  2:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2016  2:08 PM
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nixluva wrote:
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nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.

Yup. Triangle is here to stay. We haven't been losing because of the system. I think it's just more evidence of people not really knowing what the problem is but blaming the System because there was already inherent bias against it. We've lost games mostly because of things the players didn't do on D or O. Not getting back on D or letting guys drive to the basket with ease. Not hitting wide open or point blank shots. It seems silly to blame a system that was used to win a title not that long ago. Also the Spurs also use the Triangle a lot more than people realize. As did the Chicago Bulls under Thibs. We're not talking ancient history here.


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It's not the system. It's the players. Our players need to play better and that is not so much about the system as it is about the individual players simply getting better. KP will get better as will Jerian etc. We need improvement from our players and a couple of upgrades to get to the playoff level IMO. When we have playoff level talent we'll get to the playoffs and when we have championship level players then we can expect to contend for a title. Teams often have to build towards that.

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3/12/2016  2:32 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

well im not the only one who isnt impressed with the system as of yet. I want to get the best coach possible and let him run the show. If that coach wants to run the triangle then im perfectly fine with that
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

well im not the only one who isnt impressed with the system as of yet. I want to get the best coach possible and let him run the show. If that coach wants to run the triangle then im perfectly fine with that

I understand the feeling you have as others do regarding the Triangle but as I've said the Spurs have been using it for a long time and no one even talks about it. They play at the same slow pace as the Knicks but they just have more talent and more fully developed players. We have a lot of still developing players.

KP will only get better as will other young Knicks players. We'll likely see upgrades this summer using our cap space. It's really more about that than the offense we run. It will look better as our talent gets better. The Suns, Wizards and Sixers play faster and play "modern ball" and how has that worked out for them? There's more to it than the system you run.

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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

well im not the only one who isnt impressed with the system as of yet. I want to get the best coach possible and let him run the show. If that coach wants to run the triangle then im perfectly fine with that

I understand the feeling you have as others do regarding the Triangle but as I've said the Spurs have been using it for a long time and no one even talks about it. They play at the same slow pace as the Knicks but they just have more talent and more fully developed players. We have a lot of still developing players.

KP will only get better as will other young Knicks players. We'll likely see upgrades this summer using our cap space. It's really more about that than the offense we run. It will look better as our talent gets better. The Suns, Wizards and Sixers play faster and play "modern ball" and how has that worked out for them? There's more to it than the system you run.

dude i know its more than the offense we run.
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StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

well im not the only one who isnt impressed with the system as of yet. I want to get the best coach possible and let him run the show. If that coach wants to run the triangle then im perfectly fine with that

I understand the feeling you have as others do regarding the Triangle but as I've said the Spurs have been using it for a long time and no one even talks about it. They play at the same slow pace as the Knicks but they just have more talent and more fully developed players. We have a lot of still developing players.

KP will only get better as will other young Knicks players. We'll likely see upgrades this summer using our cap space. It's really more about that than the offense we run. It will look better as our talent gets better. The Suns, Wizards and Sixers play faster and play "modern ball" and how has that worked out for them? There's more to it than the system you run.

dude i know its more than the offense we run.

Well i'm only able to respond to what you wrote. Clearly if you have a better backcourt you would likely see much better execution. Anytime our backcourt players perform well the team is competitive. Also the improvement of KP will have a huge impact. You can see how it changes things when KP plays better. All of these things are huge factors and more important than using the Triangle as our base offense. IMO things will only get better as our players grow in this system.
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nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
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CrushAlot wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

well im not the only one who isnt impressed with the system as of yet. I want to get the best coach possible and let him run the show. If that coach wants to run the triangle then im perfectly fine with that

I understand the feeling you have as others do regarding the Triangle but as I've said the Spurs have been using it for a long time and no one even talks about it. They play at the same slow pace as the Knicks but they just have more talent and more fully developed players. We have a lot of still developing players.

KP will only get better as will other young Knicks players. We'll likely see upgrades this summer using our cap space. It's really more about that than the offense we run. It will look better as our talent gets better. The Suns, Wizards and Sixers play faster and play "modern ball" and how has that worked out for them? There's more to it than the system you run.

dude i know its more than the offense we run.

Well i'm only able to respond to what you wrote. Clearly if you have a better backcourt you would likely see much better execution. Anytime our backcourt players perform well the team is competitive. Also the improvement of KP will have a huge impact. You can see how it changes things when KP plays better. All of these things are huge factors and more important than using the Triangle as our base offense. IMO things will only get better as our players grow in this system.
again you arent saying anything i dont know already
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nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

well im not the only one who isnt impressed with the system as of yet. I want to get the best coach possible and let him run the show. If that coach wants to run the triangle then im perfectly fine with that

I understand the feeling you have as others do regarding the Triangle but as I've said the Spurs have been using it for a long time and no one even talks about it. They play at the same slow pace as the Knicks but they just have more talent and more fully developed players. We have a lot of still developing players.

KP will only get better as will other young Knicks players. We'll likely see upgrades this summer using our cap space. It's really more about that than the offense we run. It will look better as our talent gets better. The Suns, Wizards and Sixers play faster and play "modern ball" and how has that worked out for them? There's more to it than the system you run.

dude i know its more than the offense we run.

Well i'm only able to respond to what you wrote. Clearly if you have a better backcourt you would likely see much better execution. Anytime our backcourt players perform well the team is competitive. Also the improvement of KP will have a huge impact. You can see how it changes things when KP plays better. All of these things are huge factors and more important than using the Triangle as our base offense. IMO things will only get better as our players grow in this system.
again you arent saying anything i dont know already

So then you're changing your mind about the Triangle? If as I said the players are more important than the system, then Phil doesn't have to abandon his use of the Triangle in order for the team to be successful. Better talent in this system has worked extremely well.

IMO some upgrades to the talent in addition to further development of the current talent is what is needed most and not a change of the offensive system itself. A bit better D, offensive execution and simply making shots and this team would've won the game against LAC and many others.

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3/12/2016  4:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2016  4:20 PM
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

well im not the only one who isnt impressed with the system as of yet. I want to get the best coach possible and let him run the show. If that coach wants to run the triangle then im perfectly fine with that

I understand the feeling you have as others do regarding the Triangle but as I've said the Spurs have been using it for a long time and no one even talks about it. They play at the same slow pace as the Knicks but they just have more talent and more fully developed players. We have a lot of still developing players.

KP will only get better as will other young Knicks players. We'll likely see upgrades this summer using our cap space. It's really more about that than the offense we run. It will look better as our talent gets better. The Suns, Wizards and Sixers play faster and play "modern ball" and how has that worked out for them? There's more to it than the system you run.

dude i know its more than the offense we run.

Well i'm only able to respond to what you wrote. Clearly if you have a better backcourt you would likely see much better execution. Anytime our backcourt players perform well the team is competitive. Also the improvement of KP will have a huge impact. You can see how it changes things when KP plays better. All of these things are huge factors and more important than using the Triangle as our base offense. IMO things will only get better as our players grow in this system.
again you arent saying anything i dont know already

So then you're changing your mind about the Triangle? If as I said the players are more important than the system, then Phil doesn't have to abandon his use of the Triangle in order for the team to be successful. Better talent in this system has worked extremely well.

IMO some upgrades to the talent in addition to further development of the current talent is what is needed most and not a change of the offensive system itself. A bit better D, offensive execution and simply making shots and this team would've won the game against LAC and many others.

im not changing my mind on anything. I simply said the triangle hasnt worked as of yet. I want a better head coach who has his own freedom. If that coach wants to use the triangle then thats fine
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3/12/2016  5:08 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Rambis will be back if the team had turned it around W-L wise and he had a good record. He's 4-9. He's not going to get the job unless he can finish out the season with an overall record that is on par or comes close to .500

Rambis will likely be back as an associate head coach next year. I think Phil has his eyes on Luke, or Brian Shaw. Depends heavily on which one has a better relationship with Jackson. Accept this and move on. The team is not going to hire anyone else.

What's important is to get talent. With the capspace the Knicks have, they have to get at least 1 new starter for next season. The other new starter has to come from within, some development from Galloway, Wroten or Grant. If we can get a new starting backcourt for next season, with the likes of DWill and Afflalo coming off the bench, we're just going to be a much much better team.

The big question will be whether Jackson can get a quality free agent. Lots of teams of with capspace and the Knicks seem like they don't want to overpay free agents.

He said how the team responds to Rambis will determine whether Kurt is back as the head coach. I don't know if that is just wins. He also complimented Rambis for settling on a rotation but mentioned there was no reason to play Melo forty minutes at this point in the season and that Rambis needs to become comfortable with Melo off the court. In regards to free agents he said the Knicks would like to add a couple of players.


I don't know how others feel but IMO the team is on an upswing under Rambis. I like what i've been seeing from the team. The offense has more variety and flow to it. The drives that KP made last night were good plays but he just couldn't finish. Still the way they were playing was very good and it took some bad misses by the Knicks on point blank shots and a special CP3 performance to allow the Clips to beat the Knicks.

I think the Knicks are getting better under Rambis.

i dont really agree. I think we need a better coach who has the freedom to run his own system

I don't think the system is changing while Phil is in NY. I wonder if he makes a run at Walton and if that doesn't pan out he just keeps Kurt.
that sucks. The system really hasnt worked. If phil wants to coach then coach and i would be thrilled. Otherwise he needs to let the coach run his own system

You keep saying the System hasn't worked, but that's clearly not the reason the team lost games. The Spurs use the Triangle as did Thibs with the Bulls. It's not the system but rather the players.

There has been some recent progress with the execution of the players under Rambis. The LAC game is a good example of the growth that is starting to take place. If anything I want to see them continue to stay the course and develop our young players and hopefully make a couple of upgrades to the roster.

well im not the only one who isnt impressed with the system as of yet. I want to get the best coach possible and let him run the show. If that coach wants to run the triangle then im perfectly fine with that

I understand the feeling you have as others do regarding the Triangle but as I've said the Spurs have been using it for a long time and no one even talks about it. They play at the same slow pace as the Knicks but they just have more talent and more fully developed players. We have a lot of still developing players.

KP will only get better as will other young Knicks players. We'll likely see upgrades this summer using our cap space. It's really more about that than the offense we run. It will look better as our talent gets better. The Suns, Wizards and Sixers play faster and play "modern ball" and how has that worked out for them? There's more to it than the system you run.

dude i know its more than the offense we run.

Well i'm only able to respond to what you wrote. Clearly if you have a better backcourt you would likely see much better execution. Anytime our backcourt players perform well the team is competitive. Also the improvement of KP will have a huge impact. You can see how it changes things when KP plays better. All of these things are huge factors and more important than using the Triangle as our base offense. IMO things will only get better as our players grow in this system.
again you arent saying anything i dont know already

So then you're changing your mind about the Triangle? If as I said the players are more important than the system, then Phil doesn't have to abandon his use of the Triangle in order for the team to be successful. Better talent in this system has worked extremely well.

IMO some upgrades to the talent in addition to further development of the current talent is what is needed most and not a change of the offensive system itself. A bit better D, offensive execution and simply making shots and this team would've won the game against LAC and many others.

im not changing my mind on anything. I simply said the triangle hasnt worked as of yet. I want a better head coach who has his own freedom. If that coach wants to use the triangle then thats fine

OK that's fine but my point is that the idea that the "Triangle hasn't worked yet" is highly dependant on the Players have failing to play well enough to win games?

The Spurs are able to execute the Triangle sets they use just fine, because their players have been able to execute at a higher level and the same goes for when Thibs was using Triangle with the Bulls. The better performance of the players on those teams is what made it work. We are no different. The system is limited by the limitations of the players whether it's a lack of talent or development as in the case of KP or Jerian. The better they play the better the offense looks.

Rambis may not end up being the future coach, but I've seen a lot of good things he's been getting this team to do. Not all the way there but he's been making some real progress and the LAC game is evidence of his impact. Players are starting to understand the angles better. KP was finding those angles but wasn't able to finish. Jerian is looking better and as a group they look like they are making progress. Rambis has the rest of the season to make his case for the job.

If Phil moves on I think he'll still look for a coach that has some knowledge of the Triangle. That would include Thibs and Luke Walton.

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3/12/2016  6:58 PM
Jackson can't justify to Dolan, Mills or anyone that he's being unbiased and bringing back Rambis if his record is 10-19 or something like that as a head coach with the Knicks.

As I said with Derek before he got fired. I don't think winning less than half your games keeps you head coach. You're talking about possibly the one executive who would be the hardest on a coach because of the level he himself could coach. There's many organizations that would accept not so good coaching. The Knicks are not one of them. That's in part why Fisher was removed.

Rambis will need to win more games. He can't finish with 10 wins and come back. It would resemble Fisher's, which was a losing record. This is about getting a coach who not only runs the team properly, communicates well with Jackson but most importantly delivers the wins. Rambis isn't doing that so far. The only thing I've liked about Rambis is that he's been harder on KP and that will help him grow as a player. Too many people in NY in love with KP now to call out his flaws in his game. He's already starting to play better basketball. He may not show it with his shot making, but 11 FT's is what I want to see out of him. He's a mismatch hell and shouldn't just settle for the outside shot. Which is what Rambis is trying to get him to do. That's a major major asset from Rambis. He worked with many other top bigs in their early days and worked with Gasol in his best years in LA. He's worked well with Lopez as well. Rambis will rub off very well on KP in the long run. Not in the typical way, but in a different challenge him to be better way.

To be honest don't even think it matters all that much who is the head coach next year unless we have major talent. We need much much better guards. We won't make the playoffs when the two best fits are Jose and Sasha (which believe it or not, they are).

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Early is showing some improvement in Sl. Would be great to give Grant/Early/KP extended minutes together. Get the feeling it would be worth the investment. Melo is going to the Olympics, the longer he plays major minutes the better the chance he is going to have a rough 2016-17 as far as staying healthy. That overides what a few more weeks of the season might do for the culture. Coach to win, but leave some players on the bench. Give the rooks a chance to build a foundation.
phil HIS RECENT CONVO WITH melo "HE'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE"

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