yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Trade him and use the 23 mil per year cap money wisely. I chose option A even though it's way too early to know that either of those players are ones to build a franchise around.

we had 27 million this yr, and the improvement is lousy, KP is shooting 41% on the season and is head south of his development. Once the full scouting report was out, just like LIN, its been a struggle for him.

And if you don't know for certain how it will turned out, what sense would it make to trade surety for uncertainty

See bold

See Dolan

Tying up cap into guys like Rondo is just a move to appease Melo and I thought CAA no longer ran the Garden.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Trade him and use the 23 mil per year cap money wisely. I chose option A even though it's way too early to know that either of those players are ones to build a franchise around.

we had 27 million this yr, and the improvement is lousy, KP is shooting 41% on the season and is head south of his development. Once the full scouting report was out, just like LIN, its been a struggle for him.

And if you don't know for certain how it will turned out, what sense would it make to trade surety for uncertainty

See bold

See Dolan

LOL!
We did add Rolo. So it's not impossible for FA money to be spent well but we have had a low success rate with FAs (and draft picks and trades) under Dolan.

I see, so with our cap space we are going to sign pure bargains and values. And with our draft picks we are going to hit on multiple franchise players.

jrodmc wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I don't get you retards.

The only way we can win is if we become Philly for 10 years and just keep stockpiling picks until we get some good players by the grace of God? Hire Luke Walton and tell him were going tu sick for 10 years. Nurture? Why not hire Doctor Phil?

Yet the climate surrounding the Knicks is so disgusting. Scrapping the Knicks and losing every year is what you want?

The truth is were building for the future and trying to win now at the same time. You ignorant fans can't see it. We have Kristaps, Grant, Derrick, Cleananthony, Wroten, Galloway.... we have Gomez in Spain. We have that french kid. We have one of the best d league teams out there.

Even with Melo the Knicks cap situation is fantastic. We can afford another max deal this summer or ad 2 or 3 quality guys to help out.

What more do you want? We are in a fantastic situation

+1

Of course, what you get from the most vocal around here is we should be like Philly so we can be like Golden State in 5 or 6 years. Phil just spent two years ripping this whole franchise apart, getting much younger and not over-starphucquing. But the MeloHate needs to revert to grasping at straws by screaming tank! Tank! TANK! and coming up with 5000 trade scenarios per day along with hopeful circle jerk plans about the only franchise player we have on the roster waiving his no trade clause so he can now go play somewhere, ANYWHERE else to win a chip. It's so nice. They hate the DOUCHE so bad, but they want him, for the pure love of the game, to go win a chip in Cleveland or Houston or Chicago.

+1

This is all spot on. We don't have one bad contract on the books (Calderon is hardly a cap killer) and the best young talent we have ever had, and plenty of cap space. For some reason everyone thinks we can't properly rebuild and attempt to get competitive now at the same time. It doesn't have to be one or the other, we can do both. We don't have to go Philly route, it hardly ever works out the way its supposed to. Phil is doing it the right way, it's just going to take time.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Trade him and use the 23 mil per year cap money wisely. I chose option A even though it's way too early to know that either of those players are ones to build a franchise around.

we had 27 million this yr, and the improvement is lousy, KP is shooting 41% on the season and is head south of his development. Once the full scouting report was out, just like LIN, its been a struggle for him.

And if you don't know for certain how it will turned out, what sense would it make to trade surety for uncertainty

See bold

See Dolan

LOL!
We did add Rolo. So it's not impossible for FA money to be spent well but we have had a low success rate with FAs (and draft picks and trades) under Dolan.

I see, so with our cap space we are going to sign pure bargains and values. And with our draft picks we are going to hit on multiple franchise players.

With this ownership and management? I doubt it but it's not going to get any worse than the sub .300 winning percentage since Melo signed the largest basketball contract in the world (at the time). They're going to need new people or at least new methods for making decisions.

Philly has had no big contracts and multiple upon multiple lotto picks over the years. And they have less then .300% win %

There aren't many teams in the league that have a team full of bargain contracts and franchise picks they landed in the draft. Because it's freaking hard.

All plans are great if you execute and or get lucky.

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Trade him and use the 23 mil per year cap money wisely. I chose option A even though it's way too early to know that either of those players are ones to build a franchise around.

we had 27 million this yr, and the improvement is lousy, KP is shooting 41% on the season and is head south of his development. Once the full scouting report was out, just like LIN, its been a struggle for him.

And if you don't know for certain how it will turned out, what sense would it make to trade surety for uncertainty

See bold

See Dolan

LOL!
We did add Rolo. So it's not impossible for FA money to be spent well but we have had a low success rate with FAs (and draft picks and trades) under Dolan.

I see, so with our cap space we are going to sign pure bargains and values. And with our draft picks we are going to hit on multiple franchise players.

With this ownership and management? I doubt it but it's not going to get any worse than the sub .300 winning percentage since Melo signed the largest basketball contract in the world (at the time). They're going to need new people or at least new methods for making decisions.

Philly has had no big contracts and multiple upon multiple lotto picks over the years. And they have less then .300% win %

There aren't many teams in the league that have a team full of bargain contracts and franchise picks they landed in the draft. Because it's freaking hard.

All plans are great if you execute and or get lucky.

I never said we need to avoid big contracts. I just wouldn't have given the largest contract on the planet to Melo.

You should know the circumstances that came with that though. Which has been gone over plenty of times.

Resigning Melo was a mistake simple and plain. If anything we should've done a sign and trade like what we did with David Lee before we signed Amare, if we were afraid of Melo walking without compensation.

Just a dumb management decision by Phil, and now we're forced to do a half ass rebuild "Are we doing playoffs or not?" Instead doing a proper rebuild youth movement with tons of cap space.

Resigning was the 1st mistake, compounding it with the NTC was a true death blow for our team's flexibilty and near future prospects of getting decent return for Melo.

Nalod wrote:maybe the poll should be who wins a chip first?

Philly or the Knicks?

Knicks.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Trade him and use the 23 mil per year cap money wisely. I chose option A even though it's way too early to know that either of those players are ones to build a franchise around.

we had 27 million this yr, and the improvement is lousy, KP is shooting 41% on the season and is head south of his development. Once the full scouting report was out, just like LIN, its been a struggle for him.

And if you don't know for certain how it will turned out, what sense would it make to trade surety for uncertainty

See bold

See Dolan

LOL!
We did add Rolo. So it's not impossible for FA money to be spent well but we have had a low success rate with FAs (and draft picks and trades) under Dolan.

I see, so with our cap space we are going to sign pure bargains and values. And with our draft picks we are going to hit on multiple franchise players.

With this ownership and management? I doubt it but it's not going to get any worse than the sub .300 winning percentage since Melo signed the largest basketball contract in the world (at the time). They're going to need new people or at least new methods for making decisions.

Philly has had no big contracts and multiple upon multiple lotto picks over the years. And they have less then .300% win %

There aren't many teams in the league that have a team full of bargain contracts and franchise picks they landed in the draft. Because it's freaking hard.

All plans are great if you execute and or get lucky.

I never said we need to avoid big contracts. I just wouldn't have given the largest contract on the planet to Melo.

You should know the circumstances that came with that though. Which has been gone over plenty of times.

Resigning Melo was a mistake simple and plain. If anything we should've done a sign and trade like what we did with David Lee before we signed Amare, if we were afraid of Melo walking without compensation.

Just a dumb management decision by Phil, and now we're forced to do a half ass rebuild "Are we doing playoffs or not?" Instead doing a proper rebuild youth movement with tons of cap space.

Resigning was the 1st mistake, compounding it with the NTC was a true death blow for our team's flexibilty and near future prospects of getting decent return for Melo.

Yet after we resigned Melo we still were able to land KP, still had cap space last off season, and still have cap space going into this off season because the cap raised 20mil which was expected. There haven't been any FAs that we missed out on due to Melo's contract. But let me guess, if we had the extra 23mil this past off season then we would have landed Butler and Leonard. Or value players like Crowder would bypass a playoff team like Celtics to come to our completely bare team.

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Trade him and use the 23 mil per year cap money wisely. I chose option A even though it's way too early to know that either of those players are ones to build a franchise around.

we had 27 million this yr, and the improvement is lousy, KP is shooting 41% on the season and is head south of his development. Once the full scouting report was out, just like LIN, its been a struggle for him.

And if you don't know for certain how it will turned out, what sense would it make to trade surety for uncertainty

See bold

See Dolan

LOL!
We did add Rolo. So it's not impossible for FA money to be spent well but we have had a low success rate with FAs (and draft picks and trades) under Dolan.

I see, so with our cap space we are going to sign pure bargains and values. And with our draft picks we are going to hit on multiple franchise players.

With this ownership and management? I doubt it but it's not going to get any worse than the sub .300 winning percentage since Melo signed the largest basketball contract in the world (at the time). They're going to need new people or at least new methods for making decisions.

Philly has had no big contracts and multiple upon multiple lotto picks over the years. And they have less then .300% win %

There aren't many teams in the league that have a team full of bargain contracts and franchise picks they landed in the draft. Because it's freaking hard.

All plans are great if you execute and or get lucky.

I never said we need to avoid big contracts. I just wouldn't have given the largest contract on the planet to Melo.

You should know the circumstances that came with that though. Which has been gone over plenty of times.

Resigning Melo was a mistake simple and plain. If anything we should've done a sign and trade like what we did with David Lee before we signed Amare, if we were afraid of Melo walking without compensation.

Just a dumb management decision by Phil, and now we're forced to do a half ass rebuild "Are we doing playoffs or not?" Instead doing a proper rebuild youth movement with tons of cap space.

Resigning was the 1st mistake, compounding it with the NTC was a true death blow for our team's flexibilty and near future prospects of getting decent return for Melo.

Yet after we resigned Melo we still were able to land KP, still had cap space last off season, and still have cap space going into this off season because the cap raised 20mil which was expected. There haven't been any FAs that we missed out on due to Melo's contract. But let me guess, if we had the extra 23mil this past off season then we would have landed Butler and Leonard. Or value players like Crowder would bypass a playoff team like Celtics to come to our completely bare team.

But which free agents will sign with 31 year Melo? That's the loaded question. (Hint, No one good)

Should've rebuilt proper and get a bunch of younger hungry free agents and aim big for the 2017 draft lottery to pair with KP. Instead we're fake competing and ruining our draft spot to like the teens or worst to salvage Melo's "prime".

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I don't get you retards.

The only way we can win is if we become Philly for 10 years and just keep stockpiling picks until we get some good players by the grace of God? Hire Luke Walton and tell him were going tu sick for 10 years. Nurture? Why not hire Doctor Phil?

Yet the climate surrounding the Knicks is so disgusting. Scrapping the Knicks and losing every year is what you want?

The truth is were building for the future and trying to win now at the same time. You ignorant fans can't see it. We have Kristaps, Grant, Derrick, Cleananthony, Wroten, Galloway.... we have Gomez in Spain. We have that french kid. We have one of the best d league teams out there.

Even with Melo the Knicks cap situation is fantastic. We can afford another max deal this summer or ad 2 or 3 quality guys to help out.

What more do you want? We are in a fantastic situation

Look at the CBA- it's designed to stop teams building via free agency. It greatly limits the contracts you can offer because of the cap, has restricted free agency, and adds a big financial incentive to FAs re-signing with their current teams. Any talented rookie is locked in for 4 or 5 years, then is very likely to sign a max extension before they even make it to free agency, so they don't even become available until they are approaching 30.

The only way to build a contender now is via the draft- that's just a fact now, as much as I hate to admit it. With the draft, you get first dibs on a talented player, and their salary is essentially nothing against the cap. You have them locked in for 4 to 8 years and they have high trade value. Look at all the best teams- all their major pieces were acquired via the draft. Spurs, Thunder, Cavs, etc. You can add role players (usually overpayed or on the decline) but you can't add top level taken except in exceptional circumstances (especially if your team can't make the playoffs).

Nobody is saying to trade draft picks in order to win now. The problem is putting ALL your eggs in the draft. You can utilize the draft without solely depending on it.