mreinman wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Reggie Miller and Charles Barkley ripping Phil Jax and the Triangle. Right. But there just might be a slight credibility problem with these two, don't you think?

Just like reading about all these GM wannabe moves here on the UK.

Opinions and Azzholes.

how come you are always so predictably one one side? Don't you ever have an opinion that may cross party lines?

queue the empty response but funny joke

speaking of which ^^^^^^^^^^^

Trust is built with consistency - Lincoln Chafee

knicks1248 wrote:with everyone trashing the triangle, and the knicks playing very poor and inconsistent in it, get ready for another round of 2nd tier FA.

No wonder we can't get decent players does any other franchise get trashed as much as we do

and then there's the fact that getting players to recalibrate their games to the triangle does not happen overnight, that culture change does not happen overnight, and last but not least talent level does not happen overnight.

the knicks are going to double their win total from last year, and even without a draft pick or a major free agent pickup this summer, they will continue to improve by virtue of playing together and improving their conditioning.

the real test of patience will be next season because the summer of 2017 is going to be a HUGE one for the knicks in the porzingis era.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:the issue i have with this and other threads of its kind is that knick fans have zero patience for a true rebuild. this is the first year of a two-year process towards respectability. not too long ago the knicks were 22-22 despite having the worst starting backcourt in the league and putting way too much pressure on lopez and kp. then melo got hurt and the minutes kp was playing-- he should have been playing an average of 24 minutes a game all along-- caught up with him. and now thomas is hurt as well.

and then there's the fact that getting players to recalibrate their games to the triangle does not happen overnight, that culture change does not happen overnight, and last but not least talent level does not happen overnight.

the knicks are going to double their win total from last year, and even without a draft pick or a major free agent pickup this summer, they will continue to improve by virtue of playing together and improving their conditioning.

the real test of patience will be next season because the summer of 2017 is going to be a HUGE one for the knicks in the porzingis era.

This isn't a true rebuild. Most of us have waited our entire lives to see a Knicks title. The patience is there. What isn't there is a regime committed to doing such. The issue with some fans is they think the team is better than it really is and is only a couple pieces away. Read the comments, same nonsense every year. When the team was .500 it was redlined....totally unsustainable. The best way to be respectable is identify a course, and stick with it. This team doesn't even have an identity other than losing.

well what makes it not a true rebuild? the porzingis draft pick essentially sent a message to knicks fans that it was, no?

prior to this, the knicks mortgaged their future again and again and again, starting with dolan giving 100 million to allan houston. that alone set the knicks back ten years. in fact i stopped watching for a couple of years because of that, until the marbury/thomas saga caused me to rubberneck.

i suppose a case can be made for melo being here making it not a true rebuild, but jackson was relatively plain spoken that, while melo is the knicks favorite son, that he had to think of the franchise's future.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:the issue i have with this and other threads of its kind is that knick fans have zero patience for a true rebuild. this is the first year of a two-year process towards respectability. not too long ago the knicks were 22-22 despite having the worst starting backcourt in the league and putting way too much pressure on lopez and kp. then melo got hurt and the minutes kp was playing-- he should have been playing an average of 24 minutes a game all along-- caught up with him. and now thomas is hurt as well.

and then there's the fact that getting players to recalibrate their games to the triangle does not happen overnight, that culture change does not happen overnight, and last but not least talent level does not happen overnight.

the knicks are going to double their win total from last year, and even without a draft pick or a major free agent pickup this summer, they will continue to improve by virtue of playing together and improving their conditioning.

the real test of patience will be next season because the summer of 2017 is going to be a HUGE one for the knicks in the porzingis era.

This isn't a true rebuild. Most of us have waited our entire lives to see a Knicks title. The patience is there. What isn't there is a regime committed to doing such. The issue with some fans is they think the team is better than it really is and is only a couple pieces away. Read the comments, same nonsense every year. When the team was .500 it was redlined....totally unsustainable. The best way to be respectable is identify a course, and stick with it. This team doesn't even have an identity other than losing.

well what makes it not a true rebuild? the porzingis draft pick essentially sent a message to knicks fans that it was, no?

prior to this, the knicks mortgaged their future again and again and again, starting with dolan giving 100 million to allan houston. that alone set the knicks back ten years. in fact i stopped watching for a couple of years because of that, until the marbury/thomas saga caused me to rubberneck.

i suppose a case can be made for melo being here making it not a true rebuild, but jackson was relatively plain spoken that, while melo is the knicks favorite son, that he had to think of the franchise's future.

They drafted a player that was highly touted in that range, so no it wasn't a sign of rebuilding. rebuilding teams don't have the greater majority of their starting lineup being vets, while the younger guys get very little burn. Rebuilding teams don't sign a 30 year old to a 5 year deal either. Rebuilding teams don't have a garage sale and come away with little youth. This team has plans to win now, they aren't looking towards free agency to stock it with youth, they'll be looking for a big fish, but will settle for smaller in prime fish.

it depends on whose team you think this is. as i said, you could make a case for it not being a true rebuild because of carmelo anthony. what vets were brought in other than lopez and afflalo? williams is a reclamation project and o'quinn and seraphin are filler. there were no takers for calderon.

frankly none of these players are starting-caliber players on a top ten team, so the knicks are a de facto rebuilding team as it is. what i think you object to is the lack of playing time being meted out to younger players, which i sort of understand and agree with.

but the knicks were not a playoff team anyway no matter who is out there so again, how can this process not be construed as a rebuild?

i say wait until 2017/18 for the knicks to make some real noise.

knickscity wrote:

dk7th wrote:the issue i have with this and other threads of its kind is that knick fans have zero patience for a true rebuild. this is the first year of a two-year process towards respectability. not too long ago the knicks were 22-22 despite having the worst starting backcourt in the league and putting way too much pressure on lopez and kp. then melo got hurt and the minutes kp was playing-- he should have been playing an average of 24 minutes a game all along-- caught up with him. and now thomas is hurt as well.

and then there's the fact that getting players to recalibrate their games to the triangle does not happen overnight, that culture change does not happen overnight, and last but not least talent level does not happen overnight.

the knicks are going to double their win total from last year, and even without a draft pick or a major free agent pickup this summer, they will continue to improve by virtue of playing together and improving their conditioning.

the real test of patience will be next season because the summer of 2017 is going to be a HUGE one for the knicks in the porzingis era.

This isn't a true rebuild. Most of us have waited our entire lives to see a Knicks title. The patience is there. What isn't there is a regime committed to doing such. The issue with some fans is they think the team is better than it really is and is only a couple pieces away. Read the comments, same nonsense every year. When the team was .500 it was redlined....totally unsustainable. The best way to be respectable is identify a course, and stick with it. This team doesn't even have an identity other than losing.

"Phil Jackson knows more about basketball than all of NY combined"

I'll take Kobe 5 rings Bryant over Reggie Knick hating 0 ring winner Miller any day of the week. Bryant knows what it takes to win and build a championship team. He sees what Phil is trying to do. He sees the system the Knicks are trying to run and why they are running it. Lots of haters will talk the talk right now, lets see in a year or 18 months what they'll be saying.

jrodmc wrote:I'm sorry, how many parts of the original house are left since Phil took over?
Oh, yeah that's right. It's not a true rebuild unless you spend a season playing with NBDL junk and 1 year fodder....oh wait, we did that already, didn't we?
[oh, and getting rid of that cancerous best player would have been great, too]

"We have no identity" <-- what the flying fuhuck does this mean, exactly anyway? Is it shorthand NY Post pig latin for "our guardplay is sheehit"?

"We don't have enough youth" <-- and how exactly does one do this without draft picks? Roam the streets looking for low cost suspects?

We have the best rim protection on the planet.
Melo is playing defense and passing and rebounding and not running KP out of town. And he's letting the coaches shoot themselves in their own feet. Or wick, as the case may be.
We have not traded away draft picks or starphucqued.

When KP's able to overacclimate to the NBA grind, we are scary.
When at least one of our flotsam of backcourt players manages to almost meet/exceed expectations, we are competitive.

Thank you.