Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:0

EnySpree wrote:

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So this means the Knicks would likely get a semi quality starter/bench player on a bad contract and a few 2nd rd picks when they ask teams to take Jose contract too.

Less than the cavs gave up apparently for Moz.

The fact the cavs got 2 first rounders for Mozgov is another reason I think the GM's in this article are just talking trash to try and force the market to lowball the Knicks. Mozgov was an expiring deal that avg 6 pts, 5 rbs.

After Durant makes his decision this Summer. If Melo became available he would likely be the second best player a team could add next summer by a large margin and under contract for 3 more seasons.

A cheap contract too by market standards

If Melo's contract is cheap, that means every NBA players' is. He still has the largest contract in the game.

That award goes to Anthony Davis. Melo is 2nd, 3.4m+ above Dam Lillard.

Anthony's contract is $124 mil.
Edit: You may be right. I saw that listed as a 4 year, 23 mil per contract but elsewhere it's described as $145 mil. It looks like hoopshype has it at roughly 119 (21, 22, 24, 25, 27).

Not sure why you keep referencing the total value of Melo's contract back to when he signed. Melo has 2 more years on his contract at approximately $51 Million with a player option in 18/19 at about $28 Million. What is much more relevant is how much a player makes in a particular year, how many years (& money) remain on the contract and the trending of future salaries as they relate to the cap increase.

2015-2016 Player Salaries

Kobe Bryant - $25,000,000
LeBron James - $22,970,500
Carmelo Anthony - $22,875,000
Dwight Howard - $22,359,364
Chris Bosh - $22,192,730
Chris Paul - $21,468,695
Kevin Durant - $20,158,622
Derrick Rose - $20,093,064
Dwyane Wade - $20,000,000
LaMarcus Aldridge - $19,689,000

Going into this off-season the following players might get Salary Increases higher than Melo for 2016/17 Season (some well beyond Melo)....

LBJ - Player Option
Durant - UFA
Conley - UFA
Howard - Player Option

There will be other players such as Drummond, Derozan, Horford and Batum that will be sniping at the $20 million dollar salary range under the new cap figure.

In 2017

- Curry, Westbrook, Ibaka are UFA's
- Griffin, Paul, Lowry and Milsap all have early termination or player options

It is likely we will be seeing guys like LBJ, Curry and Westbrook making at least $45 Million in annual salaries.

Past seasons' salaries still matter. Our situation would be different now if we had had that $23 mil extra cap space last off-season. That doesn't automatically mean it would be better - especially if Phil blew it on just a few Aaron Afflalo's -- but the situation would definitely not be the same. You can't just dismiss past seasons.

Our situation might be different, but other than helping you point fingers or play Monday morning QB in the Blame Game....not quite sure how going backwards and playing out scenarios of "what might have been" regarding Salaries and Cap Space alters the value of Melo's Future remaining salary and cap hit. At some point you have to let go of the past and move forward to what potentially lays ahead in terms of present and future value.

Past seasons' salaries matter from an informational or historic perspective. Playing a game of what the Knicks might have done and what might be different if they handled the Melo contract differently might act as input or a guide towards future Roster and Franchise decisions but really do not matter beyond that. The fact that seems to elude you is that Melo's salary in 2013-14 was more of a burden to the Knicks Cap Hit than his salary will be in 2016-17. You can't just ignore the steep Cap and Salary escalation that is coming next year.

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:0

EnySpree wrote:

wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So this means the Knicks would likely get a semi quality starter/bench player on a bad contract and a few 2nd rd picks when they ask teams to take Jose contract too.

Less than the cavs gave up apparently for Moz.

The fact the cavs got 2 first rounders for Mozgov is another reason I think the GM's in this article are just talking trash to try and force the market to lowball the Knicks. Mozgov was an expiring deal that avg 6 pts, 5 rbs.

After Durant makes his decision this Summer. If Melo became available he would likely be the second best player a team could add next summer by a large margin and under contract for 3 more seasons.

A cheap contract too by market standards

If Melo's contract is cheap, that means every NBA players' is. He still has the largest contract in the game.

That award goes to Anthony Davis. Melo is 2nd, 3.4m+ above Dam Lillard.

Anthony's contract is $124 mil.
Edit: You may be right. I saw that listed as a 4 year, 23 mil per contract but elsewhere it's described as $145 mil. It looks like hoopshype has it at roughly 119 (21, 22, 24, 25, 27).

Not sure why you keep referencing the total value of Melo's contract back to when he signed. Melo has 2 more years on his contract at approximately $51 Million with a player option in 18/19 at about $28 Million. What is much more relevant is how much a player makes in a particular year, how many years (& money) remain on the contract and the trending of future salaries as they relate to the cap increase.

2015-2016 Player Salaries

Kobe Bryant - $25,000,000
LeBron James - $22,970,500
Carmelo Anthony - $22,875,000
Dwight Howard - $22,359,364
Chris Bosh - $22,192,730
Chris Paul - $21,468,695
Kevin Durant - $20,158,622
Derrick Rose - $20,093,064
Dwyane Wade - $20,000,000
LaMarcus Aldridge - $19,689,000

Going into this off-season the following players might get Salary Increases higher than Melo for 2016/17 Season (some well beyond Melo)....

LBJ - Player Option
Durant - UFA
Conley - UFA
Howard - Player Option

There will be other players such as Drummond, Derozan, Horford and Batum that will be sniping at the $20 million dollar salary range under the new cap figure.

In 2017

- Curry, Westbrook, Ibaka are UFA's
- Griffin, Paul, Lowry and Milsap all have early termination or player options

It is likely we will be seeing guys like LBJ, Curry and Westbrook making at least $45 Million in annual salaries.

There will be a lockout before anyone makes 45 million a year

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:The only deal I see is a three team with Cleveland and boston. Love to Boston and we should get the Brooklyn pick and another good player like amir Johnson or avery bradley.

It has to be a 3 team trade because I don't want what the Cavs are offering.

Do you think Melo waives his no trade clause to go to Cleveland?

After tonight he might do it for the Celtics..... Fml this team we have now is pure Basura

reub wrote:I just saw this stat on NBA TV:
Melo is now 2 for 22 over the past
four seasons on last 10 second
shots with a chance to win or tie
the game.
Not very elite-like.

And he deserves an 0 for 2 for his action on that last play - pounding the ball and letting the celts foul with 3 seconds left. Brain dead.

smackeddog wrote:

reub wrote:I just saw this stat on NBA TV:
Melo is now 2 for 22 over the past
four seasons on last 10 second
shots with a chance to win or tie
the game.
Not very elite-like.

We have run exactly the same play every time- no wonder he misses, it's probably a running joke amongst opposing teams- they know exactly what they're preparing for.

It's not like shots taken in that time frame are high percentage anyway. I believe I saw that Paul George was 0-34 for his career on late game tie/leading shots. Then I saw how bad Lebron has been in the regular season. Late game shots are just not conducive to success especially when you run clear outs for Melo. Unfortunately Melo doesn't help the cause by his shot selection or timing most of the time.