arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:Truth does not exist.
All we have is is a perception in our mind.
But reality is real and just in our face.
Knicks suck badly for the whole Melo tenure and he is the main piece of this failed organization.
The fact that other pieces contributed to the demise of once store franchise do not taking the blame out of Melo.
Melo FAILED but he continue to stick around the wreck.
That's why I give him a credit for accepting the suffering as an indulgence for his sins.

Accountability is more important than perception. Perception gets cloudy when losing. An organizations main job is to put together a set of players that are able to contribute at a high level. Take steps towards improvwment and have a consiatent system and personal in place. A players responsibility is to perform at his expected level and be consistent. Melo has done this except for injury year last year. Please explain how the organization, president, GM and ownership has been in the last 5 years. I'll point you to the level of talent both last year and this year? As for the inconsistent frame work during Melo's tenure. Please explain.

You are implying that Melo had no choices to make.
That he is innocent victim of evil Dolan and MSG clusterfack.
That this is not on him in getting traded to NY for the price that stripped the franchise from any assets needed for normal development.
That this is not on him to resign with the team for max with NTC to make sure the club will suck for the rest of his active NBA time.
That this is not on him to not adjust his game to team concept from hero/ISO ball until he realized that he cannot do it himself any more.
That this is not on him to undercut coaches authority and drive players out of town with any glimpse of overshadowing a little part of his statue.
No matter what was done the realty shows that he FAILED personally and as a part of authoritarian MSG entertainment machine to produce winning sport club.
They managed to transfer legend into mockery and earn millions in the process on fans expense.
Now I want him to stay in NY all the way and pay the mental bill which is due.

It makes no sense. So your point is he should not want to play in New York? Great endorsement for any All Star caliber player that may think of coming here. And who said he was a victim. He reached the pinnacle of his career and through hard work and accomplishments he was able to go anywhere he wanted to go. But you, the Knick fan, knock him because he picked your team. Okay.

And I like the way that we are talking about accountability and perception and you leave out all accountability and only talk about your perception of what happened. Think you were right about your original point....there is no truth for people that hide behind made up perception. And your whining about what he or may or may not have thought of a low level player like Lin or a beat up has been like Amare. Please show how these players have gone on to greatness once relieved of the evil Melo mind tricks.

I do not care what Melo reached in his carrier.
I am not his fan. I am Knicks fan.
He did nothing good for the Knicks team and this is well documented.
He did good for himself so congrats to him and his cronies.
This "other players" have nothing to do with Melo "contributions" or luck of them to the Knicks team.

Incredible on subject points. Huh what?
So.....Melo does not wear a Knick Jersey. So you don't count his points? Got it.
Leave out his career accomplishments when discussing him. Huh?
He did nothing good for the Knicks when surrounded by the greats he has had the last two years. True.
He did good for himself? Your right, all Pros should shoot for the Vets minimum.
Oh yeah and forget "Other Guys" after bringing it up in your post and I responded to it?

Merbury, Eddy, and other dudes wear Knicks Jerseys too.. so what?
Team had a bunch of players, coaches, and execs in last 15 years which deserve nothing but shame.
If they were Knicks at some point it does not mean Knicks fans need to love them.
It is opposite - they need to be treated with higher standards.
Melo is accomplished NBA star no doubt but he made no difference for the team I am rooting for.
He just did not help Knicks to win anything but get a lot of resources squandered.

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:Truth does not exist.
All we have is is a perception in our mind.
But reality is real and just in our face.
Knicks suck badly for the whole Melo tenure and he is the main piece of this failed organization.
The fact that other pieces contributed to the demise of once store franchise do not taking the blame out of Melo.
Melo FAILED but he continue to stick around the wreck.
That's why I give him a credit for accepting the suffering as an indulgence for his sins.

Accountability is more important than perception. Perception gets cloudy when losing. An organizations main job is to put together a set of players that are able to contribute at a high level. Take steps towards improvwment and have a consiatent system and personal in place. A players responsibility is to perform at his expected level and be consistent. Melo has done this except for injury year last year. Please explain how the organization, president, GM and ownership has been in the last 5 years. I'll point you to the level of talent both last year and this year? As for the inconsistent frame work during Melo's tenure. Please explain.

You are implying that Melo had no choices to make.
That he is innocent victim of evil Dolan and MSG clusterfack.
That this is not on him in getting traded to NY for the price that stripped the franchise from any assets needed for normal development.
That this is not on him to resign with the team for max with NTC to make sure the club will suck for the rest of his active NBA time.
That this is not on him to not adjust his game to team concept from hero/ISO ball until he realized that he cannot do it himself any more.
That this is not on him to undercut coaches authority and drive players out of town with any glimpse of overshadowing a little part of his statue.
No matter what was done the realty shows that he FAILED personally and as a part of authoritarian MSG entertainment machine to produce winning sport club.
They managed to transfer legend into mockery and earn millions in the process on fans expense.
Now I want him to stay in NY all the way and pay the mental bill which is due.

It makes no sense. So your point is he should not want to play in New York? Great endorsement for any All Star caliber player that may think of coming here. And who said he was a victim. He reached the pinnacle of his career and through hard work and accomplishments he was able to go anywhere he wanted to go. But you, the Knick fan, knock him because he picked your team. Okay.

And I like the way that we are talking about accountability and perception and you leave out all accountability and only talk about your perception of what happened. Think you were right about your original point....there is no truth for people that hide behind made up perception. And your whining about what he or may or may not have thought of a low level player like Lin or a beat up has been like Amare. Please show how these players have gone on to greatness once relieved of the evil Melo mind tricks.

I do not care what Melo reached in his carrier.
I am not his fan. I am Knicks fan.
He did nothing good for the Knicks team and this is well documented.
He did good for himself so congrats to him and his cronies.
This "other players" have nothing to do with Melo "contributions" or luck of them to the Knicks team.

Incredible on subject points. Huh what?
So.....Melo does not wear a Knick Jersey. So you don't count his points? Got it.
Leave out his career accomplishments when discussing him. Huh?
He did nothing good for the Knicks when surrounded by the greats he has had the last two years. True.
He did good for himself? Your right, all Pros should shoot for the Vets minimum.
Oh yeah and forget "Other Guys" after bringing it up in your post and I responded to it?

Merbury, Eddy, and other dudes wear Knicks Jerseys too.. so what?
Team had a bunch of players, coaches, and execs in last 15 years which deserve nothing but shame.
If they were Knicks at some point it does not mean Knicks fans need to love them.
It is opposite - they need to be treated with higher standards.
Melo is accomplished NBA star no doubt but he made no difference for the team I am rooting for.
He just did not help Knicks to win anything but get a lot of resources squandered.

I have to ask what resources you are referring to. Gallo and Chandler are both out for the season and both have been extremely injury prone. Saric (14th pick) might be worthy of that statement but he hasn't come to the nba yet. Moz was third string in Denver and has faded quite a bit after getting a big haul when Bron traded for him. Felton is having a bit of a rebirth but the Knicks got him back and moved on a second time.

Who cares about the traded players?
Melo cost Knicks about 250 millions in salary and cap space...
With this resources NBA team should be better that what Knicks are... much better.
And absolute majority if not all NBA teams are better that Knicks.
So whats gives?

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:Truth does not exist.
All we have is is a perception in our mind.
But reality is real and just in our face.
Knicks suck badly for the whole Melo tenure and he is the main piece of this failed organization.
The fact that other pieces contributed to the demise of once store franchise do not taking the blame out of Melo.
Melo FAILED but he continue to stick around the wreck.
That's why I give him a credit for accepting the suffering as an indulgence for his sins.

Accountability is more important than perception. Perception gets cloudy when losing. An organizations main job is to put together a set of players that are able to contribute at a high level. Take steps towards improvwment and have a consiatent system and personal in place. A players responsibility is to perform at his expected level and be consistent. Melo has done this except for injury year last year. Please explain how the organization, president, GM and ownership has been in the last 5 years. I'll point you to the level of talent both last year and this year? As for the inconsistent frame work during Melo's tenure. Please explain.

You are implying that Melo had no choices to make.
That he is innocent victim of evil Dolan and MSG clusterfack.
That this is not on him in getting traded to NY for the price that stripped the franchise from any assets needed for normal development.
That this is not on him to resign with the team for max with NTC to make sure the club will suck for the rest of his active NBA time.
That this is not on him to not adjust his game to team concept from hero/ISO ball until he realized that he cannot do it himself any more.
That this is not on him to undercut coaches authority and drive players out of town with any glimpse of overshadowing a little part of his statue.
No matter what was done the realty shows that he FAILED personally and as a part of authoritarian MSG entertainment machine to produce winning sport club.
They managed to transfer legend into mockery and earn millions in the process on fans expense.
Now I want him to stay in NY all the way and pay the mental bill which is due.

It makes no sense. So your point is he should not want to play in New York? Great endorsement for any All Star caliber player that may think of coming here. And who said he was a victim. He reached the pinnacle of his career and through hard work and accomplishments he was able to go anywhere he wanted to go. But you, the Knick fan, knock him because he picked your team. Okay.

And I like the way that we are talking about accountability and perception and you leave out all accountability and only talk about your perception of what happened. Think you were right about your original point....there is no truth for people that hide behind made up perception. And your whining about what he or may or may not have thought of a low level player like Lin or a beat up has been like Amare. Please show how these players have gone on to greatness once relieved of the evil Melo mind tricks.

I do not care what Melo reached in his carrier.
I am not his fan. I am Knicks fan.
He did nothing good for the Knicks team and this is well documented.
He did good for himself so congrats to him and his cronies.
This "other players" have nothing to do with Melo "contributions" or luck of them to the Knicks team.

Incredible on subject points. Huh what?
So.....Melo does not wear a Knick Jersey. So you don't count his points? Got it.
Leave out his career accomplishments when discussing him. Huh?
He did nothing good for the Knicks when surrounded by the greats he has had the last two years. True.
He did good for himself? Your right, all Pros should shoot for the Vets minimum.
Oh yeah and forget "Other Guys" after bringing it up in your post and I responded to it?

Merbury, Eddy, and other dudes wear Knicks Jerseys too.. so what?
Team had a bunch of players, coaches, and execs in last 15 years which deserve nothing but shame.
If they were Knicks at some point it does not mean Knicks fans need to love them.
It is opposite - they need to be treated with higher standards.
Melo is accomplished NBA star no doubt but he made no difference for the team I am rooting for.
He just did not help Knicks to win anything but get a lot of resources squandered.

I have to ask what resources you are referring to. Gallo and Chandler are both out for the season and both have been extremely injury prone. Saric (14th pick) might be worthy of that statement but he hasn't come to the nba yet. Moz was third string in Denver and has faded quite a bit after getting a big haul when Bron traded for him. Felton is having a bit of a rebirth but the Knicks got him back and moved on a second time.

Who cares about the traded players?
Melo cost Knicks about 250 millions in salary and cap space...
With this resources NBA team should be better that what Knicks are... much better.
And absolute majority if not all NBA teams are better that Knicks.
So whats gives?

So his current contract is the resource that you don't like? I have to ask what the Knicks could do better with that money? If you are referring to his previous contract I think the huge salary cap dead weights of Amare and Bargs and to a lesser extent flu were much more of a problem.

This is water under the bridge.
No one can tell if Knicks would do better without Melo.
Reality is Melo thing never work out with the Knicks.
Time for him and MSG to accept it and run it down (which they may be doing) or move separate ways for mutual gain.

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:Truth does not exist.
All we have is is a perception in our mind.
But reality is real and just in our face.
Knicks suck badly for the whole Melo tenure and he is the main piece of this failed organization.
The fact that other pieces contributed to the demise of once store franchise do not taking the blame out of Melo.
Melo FAILED but he continue to stick around the wreck.
That's why I give him a credit for accepting the suffering as an indulgence for his sins.

Accountability is more important than perception. Perception gets cloudy when losing. An organizations main job is to put together a set of players that are able to contribute at a high level. Take steps towards improvwment and have a consiatent system and personal in place. A players responsibility is to perform at his expected level and be consistent. Melo has done this except for injury year last year. Please explain how the organization, president, GM and ownership has been in the last 5 years. I'll point you to the level of talent both last year and this year? As for the inconsistent frame work during Melo's tenure. Please explain.

You are implying that Melo had no choices to make.
That he is innocent victim of evil Dolan and MSG clusterfack.
That this is not on him in getting traded to NY for the price that stripped the franchise from any assets needed for normal development.
That this is not on him to resign with the team for max with NTC to make sure the club will suck for the rest of his active NBA time.
That this is not on him to not adjust his game to team concept from hero/ISO ball until he realized that he cannot do it himself any more.
That this is not on him to undercut coaches authority and drive players out of town with any glimpse of overshadowing a little part of his statue.
No matter what was done the realty shows that he FAILED personally and as a part of authoritarian MSG entertainment machine to produce winning sport club.
They managed to transfer legend into mockery and earn millions in the process on fans expense.
Now I want him to stay in NY all the way and pay the mental bill which is due.

It makes no sense. So your point is he should not want to play in New York? Great endorsement for any All Star caliber player that may think of coming here. And who said he was a victim. He reached the pinnacle of his career and through hard work and accomplishments he was able to go anywhere he wanted to go. But you, the Knick fan, knock him because he picked your team. Okay.

And I like the way that we are talking about accountability and perception and you leave out all accountability and only talk about your perception of what happened. Think you were right about your original point....there is no truth for people that hide behind made up perception. And your whining about what he or may or may not have thought of a low level player like Lin or a beat up has been like Amare. Please show how these players have gone on to greatness once relieved of the evil Melo mind tricks.

I do not care what Melo reached in his carrier.
I am not his fan. I am Knicks fan.
He did nothing good for the Knicks team and this is well documented.
He did good for himself so congrats to him and his cronies.
This "other players" have nothing to do with Melo "contributions" or luck of them to the Knicks team.

Incredible on subject points. Huh what?
So.....Melo does not wear a Knick Jersey. So you don't count his points? Got it.
Leave out his career accomplishments when discussing him. Huh?
He did nothing good for the Knicks when surrounded by the greats he has had the last two years. True.
He did good for himself? Your right, all Pros should shoot for the Vets minimum.
Oh yeah and forget "Other Guys" after bringing it up in your post and I responded to it?

Merbury, Eddy, and other dudes wear Knicks Jerseys too.. so what?
Team had a bunch of players, coaches, and execs in last 15 years which deserve nothing but shame.
If they were Knicks at some point it does not mean Knicks fans need to love them.
It is opposite - they need to be treated with higher standards.
Melo is accomplished NBA star no doubt but he made no difference for the team I am rooting for.
He just did not help Knicks to win anything but get a lot of resources squandered.

I have to ask what resources you are referring to. Gallo and Chandler are both out for the season and both have been extremely injury prone. Saric (14th pick) might be worthy of that statement but he hasn't come to the nba yet. Moz was third string in Denver and has faded quite a bit after getting a big haul when Bron traded for him. Felton is having a bit of a rebirth but the Knicks got him back and moved on a second time.

Who cares about the traded players?
Melo cost Knicks about 250 millions in salary and cap space...
With this resources NBA team should be better that what Knicks are... much better.
And absolute majority if not all NBA teams are better that Knicks.
So whats gives?

So his current contract is the resource that you don't like? I have to ask what the Knicks could do better with that money? If you are referring to his previous contract I think the huge salary cap dead weights of Amare and Bargs and to a lesser extent flu were much more of a problem.

This is water under the bridge.
No one can tell if Knicks would do better without Melo.
Reality is Melo thing never work out with the Knicks.
Time for him and MSG to accept it and run it down (which they may be doing) or move separate ways for mutual gain.

The Knicks finally had cap space this past offseason. Did they get Melo value for their money? Do you think their chance of getting value for their money increases without Melo? I don't but I am curious what you think.

Cap space will give us one very good player (if he will agree to come) of 2 OK players so we can continue with rebuild. Other teams get this space too so nothing really changed much.
If you asking about if MSG get value for what they spend on Melo they surely get money back and more. This has nothing to do with winning bbal games or titles but has a lot to do with tickets, merchandise, TV deals, and other around bbal business. Melo is right guy to deal with in business of pro sports.
But I do thing MSG get most of the value from dealing with Melo already and can get more without him in the future.
So is he. He can explore another markets as NY I believe is saturated with him.
However if he will stay he is still money maker.

gunsnewing wrote:Wow saw this a week ago. Where you guys been? Another instance of my gut feelings being validated. Another one of these incidents where I had a lot of mud and vitriol slung at me by the usual 'Melo is great and can't do no wrong folks' that reassure me to stick to my gut feelings

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Wow saw this a week ago. Where you guys been? Another instance of my gut feelings being validated. Another one of these incidents where I had a lot of mud and vitriol slung at me by the usual 'Melo is great and can't do no wrong folks' that reassure me to stick to my gut feelings

Validated? What is Melo doing that is wrong?

Melo can do no wrong...
What he does in NY now is not relevant any more.
Club is irrelevant and will be irrelevant for a while.
If he wants to be relevant he should find relevant team.

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

arkrud wrote:Truth does not exist.
All we have is is a perception in our mind.
But reality is real and just in our face.
Knicks suck badly for the whole Melo tenure and he is the main piece of this failed organization.
The fact that other pieces contributed to the demise of once store franchise do not taking the blame out of Melo.
Melo FAILED but he continue to stick around the wreck.
That's why I give him a credit for accepting the suffering as an indulgence for his sins.

Accountability is more important than perception. Perception gets cloudy when losing. An organizations main job is to put together a set of players that are able to contribute at a high level. Take steps towards improvwment and have a consiatent system and personal in place. A players responsibility is to perform at his expected level and be consistent. Melo has done this except for injury year last year. Please explain how the organization, president, GM and ownership has been in the last 5 years. I'll point you to the level of talent both last year and this year? As for the inconsistent frame work during Melo's tenure. Please explain.

You are implying that Melo had no choices to make.
That he is innocent victim of evil Dolan and MSG clusterfack.
That this is not on him in getting traded to NY for the price that stripped the franchise from any assets needed for normal development.
That this is not on him to resign with the team for max with NTC to make sure the club will suck for the rest of his active NBA time.
That this is not on him to not adjust his game to team concept from hero/ISO ball until he realized that he cannot do it himself any more.
That this is not on him to undercut coaches authority and drive players out of town with any glimpse of overshadowing a little part of his statue.
No matter what was done the realty shows that he FAILED personally and as a part of authoritarian MSG entertainment machine to produce winning sport club.
They managed to transfer legend into mockery and earn millions in the process on fans expense.
Now I want him to stay in NY all the way and pay the mental bill which is due.

It makes no sense. So your point is he should not want to play in New York? Great endorsement for any All Star caliber player that may think of coming here. And who said he was a victim. He reached the pinnacle of his career and through hard work and accomplishments he was able to go anywhere he wanted to go. But you, the Knick fan, knock him because he picked your team. Okay.

And I like the way that we are talking about accountability and perception and you leave out all accountability and only talk about your perception of what happened. Think you were right about your original point....there is no truth for people that hide behind made up perception. And your whining about what he or may or may not have thought of a low level player like Lin or a beat up has been like Amare. Please show how these players have gone on to greatness once relieved of the evil Melo mind tricks.

I do not care what Melo reached in his carrier.
I am not his fan. I am Knicks fan.
He did nothing good for the Knicks team and this is well documented.
He did good for himself so congrats to him and his cronies.
This "other players" have nothing to do with Melo "contributions" or luck of them to the Knicks team.

Incredible on subject points. Huh what?
So.....Melo does not wear a Knick Jersey. So you don't count his points? Got it.
Leave out his career accomplishments when discussing him. Huh?
He did nothing good for the Knicks when surrounded by the greats he has had the last two years. True.
He did good for himself? Your right, all Pros should shoot for the Vets minimum.
Oh yeah and forget "Other Guys" after bringing it up in your post and I responded to it?

Merbury, Eddy, and other dudes wear Knicks Jerseys too.. so what?
Team had a bunch of players, coaches, and execs in last 15 years which deserve nothing but shame.
If they were Knicks at some point it does not mean Knicks fans need to love them.
It is opposite - they need to be treated with higher standards.
Melo is accomplished NBA star no doubt but he made no difference for the team I am rooting for.
He just did not help Knicks to win anything but get a lot of resources squandered.

I have to ask what resources you are referring to. Gallo and Chandler are both out for the season and both have been extremely injury prone. Saric (14th pick) might be worthy of that statement but he hasn't come to the nba yet. Moz was third string in Denver and has faded quite a bit after getting a big haul when Bron traded for him. Felton is having a bit of a rebirth but the Knicks got him back and moved on a second time.

Who cares about the traded players?
Melo cost Knicks about 250 millions in salary and cap space...
With this resources NBA team should be better that what Knicks are... much better.
And absolute majority if not all NBA teams are better that Knicks.
So whats gives?

So his current contract is the resource that you don't like? I have to ask what the Knicks could do better with that money? If you are referring to his previous contract I think the huge salary cap dead weights of Amare and Bargs and to a lesser extent flu were much more of a problem.

This is water under the bridge.
No one can tell if Knicks would do better without Melo.
Reality is Melo thing never work out with the Knicks.
Time for him and MSG to accept it and run it down (which they may be doing) or move separate ways for mutual gain.

The Knicks finally had cap space this past offseason. Did they get Melo value for their money? Do you think their chance of getting value for their money increases without Melo? I don't but I am curious what you think.

Cap space will give us one very good player (if he will agree to come) of 2 OK players so we can continue with rebuild. Other teams get this space too so nothing really changed much.
If you asking about if MSG get value for what they spend on Melo they surely get money back and more. This has nothing to do with winning bbal games or titles but has a lot to do with tickets, merchandise, TV deals, and other around bbal business. Melo is right guy to deal with in business of pro sports.
But I do thing MSG get most of the value from dealing with Melo already and can get more without him in the future.
So is he. He can explore another markets as NY I believe is saturated with him.
However if he will stay he is still money maker.

Good players generally don't leave their teams in this cba because they get paid more to stay. Aldridge left Portland but he chose an organization. Do you think anyone like that leaves to join a 17 win team? At this point with the labor agreement, I think cap space allows you to fill in with role players around home grown talent or stars that you trade for.

Stars joining other stars in their prime or teams with framework of winning and consistency already build.
Of course the cap space should be available or flexibility in place to clean it up as opportunity to land big missing piece arrives.
Stars can get paid whenever they go so most of the time they go to healthy winning environment.

newyorknewyork wrote:#1 Amare just came out and stated that he wasn't speaking directly about Melo and tweeted along the line of the media being snakes or something to that nature. Which of course will get sweep under the rug since it doesn't fit the agenda.

#2 last time we had MAJOR cap space during the Walsh era. Nobody wanted to sign with us and we ended up signing Amare out of desperation which crippled the franchise over the yrs. Our first round picks we didn't hit on when we drafted Shumpert and Hardaway jr. If we got lucky and landed Butler instead of Shumpert then most this talk would be moot right now. Expiring contract of Chauncey Billups, the amnesty clause. Haven't made the proper decisions or have the right amount of luck at the draft before KP. We are currently paying the price now for those decisions. But we knew this going into the season. That it would take another offseason to improve the backcourt. If we cant the we will suck again but Melo may be open to a trade. Even if not we will have our draft picks which would be another lotto pick to pair with KP.

Great comments. Everything you said is spot on as to how we got here and how there is no easy fix. On the lottery pick thing, if there is one thing we have proven, it's that we don't have much success in the lottery, and we can't even tank right. How we left Galloway in there to win that Atlanta game was the biggest joke ever. Typical of this franchise. I like KP but we could have been locked into a top 3 pick if we dumped that game, but nope. Can't execute on that.

HofstraBBall wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Fans are beginning to equate melo with losing. My bet is he never heard a fan go at him like they did last night. He had 1 good year as a knick and he has not been able to elevate his game to the point where we win games. Right now we are way down on the totem pole and melo is our main guy. He needs to be removed

The Knicks Management has constructed hands down the worst backcourt averaged our over the past decade. You simply can't compete with that. We can direct our anger at Melo but in general we have lacked NBA talent during his tenure here. We can run him out of town and honestly, if I were him I would want out at this point, but as fans we need to keep in mind how bad that will look for the franchise. NY isn't the most attractive destination to the modern athlete to begin with. We need to be careful what we wish for.

This. People can't get a grip on the premise that it takes more than just one star player to win a team sport. Most of these fanatics live in a dreamland where they think one guy should be able to come in here and take them to the promise land. Then they whine like little babies when their unrealistic expectations are not met. They just dont realize the talent level and consistency you need at all 5 positions, specially the back court, as well as solid bench play. Things one guy can't provide by himself. Then they look to make that guy the fall guy and try to replace him with another pipe dream. We just can't keep doing that. I am sure all the teams with losing records are not looking to trade their best player. Just would not make sense. Think this has been the biggest problem with us. Always looking for quick fix.

Would be first to say that Melo is obviously not at his best after coming off knee surgery. But he is still leading in scoring and assists, playing his ass off in D and up there in rebounds on a nightly basis. With bad knees. You need Melo gping forward. And its funny how the guys that knock him and dismiss knee issues as a cause are the same that make excuaes for a 20 year olds drop in numbers due to firat full season. Or claim a guy like Lin, Jimmer, every waived player, mid level draft pick is the answer.

Think we need another big name and an upgrade in the back court. Unfortunately, i dont think its going to happen by next year.

Obviously it takes more than one player to win. You are not telling fans something they don't know. What winning team has a $124mil 31yr old broken down player who no free agents of any significance want to play with. A player who finally after 13yrs in the league started showing signs of playing the right way but is starting to break down from all the wear and tear of playing professionally since 19?