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dacash wrote:he is still here because he didnt waive his no trade clause i thought we all knew that

Yes, but there was a suitor that we could've parted ways with him if he was a reasonable adult. They have a good young roster in Boston, good young head coach, good upper management, and it's still not far away from New York. He could've been the next "Paul Pierce" up there.

Dude just cares about cashing checks, nothing else.

Terrible comment. What does that have to do with him waiving his NTC? He gets paid regardless. He didn't waive it because he wants to be in NY.

It's actually a pretty accurate comment. If he wanted to win he'd go play in Chicago. He didn't want to short change himself $30m though.

It is accurate as far as signing his contract 2 years ago. Now he has the money no matter where he is playing. If all he cares about is cashing checks, why does he refuse to waive his NTC? Good teams want him. Is it because, just maybe, he wants to stay in NY (at least for the time being)? Dude just cares about cashing checks...and playing for the Knicks, hence why he won't waive his NTC at this time. Fair enough?

He wants to stay in NY, but doesn't give 2 shyts about the Knicks. He loves the lifestyle and connections, the media and business opportunities for his wife, the good prep school for Kiyan, and he gets to be New York's biggest basketball celebrity (well 2nd to KP6).

Other than that I don't think he truly bleeds orange and blue. He's a merc like Darrelle Revis. You'll see this offseason.

It's ridiculous that you are really arguing that all he cares about is money and not about the Knicks as he continues to let everyone know he will not waive his NTC for any other team right now (at the deadline.) He could be in cleveland right now in a deal for Love, a team that has not won a title, with his buddy LeBron. Cleveland would die to make that deal. But whatever helps you sleep better at night.

I'm counting the days until the offseason so this nightmare will finally be over.

I'm counting the days until you fade off into the tkf sunset when you realize your personal pariah isn't going anywhere for the next 3 years.

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SwishAndDish13 wrote:

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martin wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:Dam is there an echo in here?

It's like there's a serial poster/stalker that can't stand their lovah-man getting rightfully disparaged.

I think you are missing the real point that there is no real merit to this article. No offer was on the table. Boston may or may not have called to even expressed interest. Who knows what an offer might have looked like. Too many variables here to really even discuss this. The article was click bait and we all clicked on it. Mission accomplished by ESPN.

The real point is not whether there was a pending deal or not, or if the Knicks were waiting on Melo to sign off on approving such a hypothetical deal, but that the Knicks broached Melo about the possibility to play for the 3rd seeded team in the east with an all star point guard and a bright head coach and future, and he ultimately chose to play for the 13th place non competitive team instead.

That's the point, that he'd rather be content playing out the string on a team not going anywhere, then really competing for something that truly matters. That shows you where his head is at, and as a Knicks fan I phucking hate it.

No, that's your interpretation of what you think is going on and what everyone is trying to tell you is pretty much skewed or flat out wrong.

Why didn't he go to Chicago then? Rose, Butler, Melo, Gasol, and Noah.

Tell me why, Martin? Answer's staring all of you in the face.

People continue to oversell Rose. After dealing with Amare pretty sure there was zero interest in playing with another walking injury. In a slightly related story, Rose simply decided not to play last night. No association with an actual injury. Why would Melo or anybody for that mattereason want to join that?

Because Rose wouldn't have to be 2011 MVP Rose. It's Jimmy Buckets team anyways.

No it wasn't. You're taking real liberties here with series of events. Jimmy took a MASSIVE step last year to make it his team. He improved all aspects of his game. There was no assurance he would put in the effort and it would work. In addition, Gasol wasn't under contract that the time. It was Rose and Noah's team. While I agree it was an intriguing option for him, going to a team reliant on Rose isn't too attractive. I would like to hope we could agree on that.

Out of curiosity, if Melo bolted and we were left holding the bag, what would be the upside for the Knicks in your opinion?

The problem isn't Melo's presence on the team. The problem is the lack of a quality Backcourt!!! Melo's presence doesn't stop the Knicks from being able to upgrade the roster at the Guard Spots. There's this notion that somehow we'd be better off with a trade and really we don't know that for sure. Furthermore any trade of Melo and his huge salary is going to have to bring back a lot of salary as well. I'd like to see some trade ideas that would be good for NY but have been checked thru Trade Checker to see if they're valid.

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SwishAndDish13 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

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martin wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:Dam is there an echo in here?

It's like there's a serial poster/stalker that can't stand their lovah-man getting rightfully disparaged.

I think you are missing the real point that there is no real merit to this article. No offer was on the table. Boston may or may not have called to even expressed interest. Who knows what an offer might have looked like. Too many variables here to really even discuss this. The article was click bait and we all clicked on it. Mission accomplished by ESPN.

The real point is not whether there was a pending deal or not, or if the Knicks were waiting on Melo to sign off on approving such a hypothetical deal, but that the Knicks broached Melo about the possibility to play for the 3rd seeded team in the east with an all star point guard and a bright head coach and future, and he ultimately chose to play for the 13th place non competitive team instead.

That's the point, that he'd rather be content playing out the string on a team not going anywhere, then really competing for something that truly matters. That shows you where his head is at, and as a Knicks fan I phucking hate it.

No, that's your interpretation of what you think is going on and what everyone is trying to tell you is pretty much skewed or flat out wrong.

Why didn't he go to Chicago then? Rose, Butler, Melo, Gasol, and Noah.

Tell me why, Martin? Answer's staring all of you in the face.

People continue to oversell Rose. After dealing with Amare pretty sure there was zero interest in playing with another walking injury. In a slightly related story, Rose simply decided not to play last night. No association with an actual injury. Why would Melo or anybody for that mattereason want to join that?

Because Rose wouldn't have to be 2011 MVP Rose. It's Jimmy Buckets team anyways.

No it wasn't. You're taking real liberties here with series of events. Jimmy took a MASSIVE step last year to make it his team. He improved all aspects of his game. There was no assurance he would put in the effort and it would work. In addition, Gasol wasn't under contract that the time. It was Rose and Noah's team. While I agree it was an intriguing option for him, going to a team reliant on Rose isn't too attractive. I would like to hope we could agree on that.

Out of curiosity, if Melo bolted and we were left holding the bag, what would be the upside for the Knicks in your opinion?

Picks, role players, and no longterm financial albatross contract commitment.

True rebuild around KP, not this fake competing shyt we're doing now.

How? We get nothing if he leaves in FA. This isn't the MLB, we aren't getting a compensation pick. Also, when the cap goes up again this year, we may need to drop the cap thing. It isn't preventing us from doing anything.

KP is benefiting from not having to shoulder the load. Our fanbase isn't exactly the friendliest bunch. This is a better course for him as a player.

martin wrote:Generally speaking, I don't like Melo as a player. Don't think he's that smart, barely plays defense, gets too locked in on offense where he can't tell when to shoot and when to pass. He's played a LOT better this season when KP and others were clicking.

Also don't think Melo is an emotionally smart player, career-minded guy (maybe emotionally is not right word but it's close). He was the only high level player to not make sure his original Denver contract ended when the cap went up and everyone else had an opt out. Also no need to force his way to NY... just ride out the season and catch on later, that would have been the smarter, long term move.

Right now I see a player who is giving a lot even though he's obviously not 100%, dude has got zero lift in legs. He had Monte Ellis posted up and can't do anything. Never seen him miss so many wide open shots or have his shot so off over the course of the season. Can't get around players he used to blaze by and is missing wide open layups. This is what happens when you are not 100% after surgery and are playing too much; there is no doubt in my mind that it started with the ref incident. He came back OK enough to play - the Knicks NEEDED wins - and then over played. He could and should sit out games but knows his team needs him.

The guy is all heart but not smart brains. You want a merc, go ask LeBron about that, or CP3 or Howard.

Guy wants to win just doesn't know how to and unfortunately is matched with Dolan. And so are we.

this post is great and i couldn't agree more. melo thinks he's doing what's best but i dont think he's smart enough to realize what IS best. like forcing the trade here instead of just signing in the offseason. i'm not harping on that trade because i dont think the players we traded away really mattered, but instead of trading half the teams players, he could have just signed here instead. i just don't think melo is that smart, but he's been giving it his all and you have to respect that. he's not hindering kp, he's fully embraced him and seems to genuinely want to see him get better. dude just had alot of tread on the tires and needs to come to the realization that he's not doing in ny, if he wants to win it will have to be elsewhere. but hey, we should be happy he wants to do it here, we want guys like that.

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Why didn't he go to Chicago then? Rose, Butler, Melo, Gasol, and Noah.

Tell me why, Martin? Answer's staring all of you in the face.

People continue to oversell Rose. After dealing with Amare pretty sure there was zero interest in playing with another walking injury. In a slightly related story, Rose simply decided not to play last night. No association with an actual injury. Why would Melo or anybody for that mattereason want to join that?

Because Rose wouldn't have to be 2011 MVP Rose. It's Jimmy Buckets team anyways.

No it wasn't. You're taking real liberties here with series of events. Jimmy took a MASSIVE step last year to make it his team. He improved all aspects of his game. There was no assurance he would put in the effort and it would work. In addition, Gasol wasn't under contract that the time. It was Rose and Noah's team. While I agree it was an intriguing option for him, going to a team reliant on Rose isn't too attractive. I would like to hope we could agree on that.

Out of curiosity, if Melo bolted and we were left holding the bag, what would be the upside for the Knicks in your opinion?

Picks, role players, and no longterm financial albatross contract commitment.

True rebuild around KP, not this fake competing shyt we're doing now.

How? We get nothing if he leaves in FA. This isn't the MLB, we aren't getting a compensation pick. Also, when the cap goes up again this year, we may need to drop the cap thing. It isn't preventing us from doing anything.

KP is benefiting from not having to shoulder the load. Our fanbase isn't exactly the friendliest bunch. This is a better course for him as a player.

I'm talking about the 2016 off season fireside chat about life he'll have with the Zenmaster, not the past.

You were talking about going to Chicago. If you wanted a trade this break, I understand that, but you were complaining about him re-signing in 2014 hurting the team, which isn't true at all. If he doesn't resign, we get nothing!

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Why didn't he go to Chicago then? Rose, Butler, Melo, Gasol, and Noah.

Tell me why, Martin? Answer's staring all of you in the face.

People continue to oversell Rose. After dealing with Amare pretty sure there was zero interest in playing with another walking injury. In a slightly related story, Rose simply decided not to play last night. No association with an actual injury. Why would Melo or anybody for that mattereason want to join that?

Because Rose wouldn't have to be 2011 MVP Rose. It's Jimmy Buckets team anyways.

No it wasn't. You're taking real liberties here with series of events. Jimmy took a MASSIVE step last year to make it his team. He improved all aspects of his game. There was no assurance he would put in the effort and it would work. In addition, Gasol wasn't under contract that the time. It was Rose and Noah's team. While I agree it was an intriguing option for him, going to a team reliant on Rose isn't too attractive. I would like to hope we could agree on that.

Out of curiosity, if Melo bolted and we were left holding the bag, what would be the upside for the Knicks in your opinion?

Picks, role players, and no longterm financial albatross contract commitment.

True rebuild around KP, not this fake competing shyt we're doing now.

How? We get nothing if he leaves in FA. This isn't the MLB, we aren't getting a compensation pick. Also, when the cap goes up again this year, we may need to drop the cap thing. It isn't preventing us from doing anything.

KP is benefiting from not having to shoulder the load. Our fanbase isn't exactly the friendliest bunch. This is a better course for him as a player.

I'm talking about the 2016 off season fireside chat about life he'll have with the Zenmaster, not the past.

You were talking about going to Chicago. If you wanted a trade this break, I understand that, but you were complaining about him re-signing in 2014 hurting the team, which isn't true at all. If he doesn't resign, we get nothing!

That would be perfect. A true rebuild with no expectations. Grant would get actual playing time. Fisher would probably still be humping wives here lol.

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SwishAndDish13 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

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ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

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Why didn't he go to Chicago then? Rose, Butler, Melo, Gasol, and Noah.

Tell me why, Martin? Answer's staring all of you in the face.

People continue to oversell Rose. After dealing with Amare pretty sure there was zero interest in playing with another walking injury. In a slightly related story, Rose simply decided not to play last night. No association with an actual injury. Why would Melo or anybody for that mattereason want to join that?

Because Rose wouldn't have to be 2011 MVP Rose. It's Jimmy Buckets team anyways.

No it wasn't. You're taking real liberties here with series of events. Jimmy took a MASSIVE step last year to make it his team. He improved all aspects of his game. There was no assurance he would put in the effort and it would work. In addition, Gasol wasn't under contract that the time. It was Rose and Noah's team. While I agree it was an intriguing option for him, going to a team reliant on Rose isn't too attractive. I would like to hope we could agree on that.

Out of curiosity, if Melo bolted and we were left holding the bag, what would be the upside for the Knicks in your opinion?

Picks, role players, and no longterm financial albatross contract commitment.

True rebuild around KP, not this fake competing shyt we're doing now.

How? We get nothing if he leaves in FA. This isn't the MLB, we aren't getting a compensation pick. Also, when the cap goes up again this year, we may need to drop the cap thing. It isn't preventing us from doing anything.

KP is benefiting from not having to shoulder the load. Our fanbase isn't exactly the friendliest bunch. This is a better course for him as a player.

I'm talking about the 2016 off season fireside chat about life he'll have with the Zenmaster, not the past.

You were talking about going to Chicago. If you wanted a trade this break, I understand that, but you were complaining about him re-signing in 2014 hurting the team, which isn't true at all. If he doesn't resign, we get nothing!

That would be perfect. A true rebuild with no expectations. Grant would get actual playing time. Fisher would probably still be humping wives here lol.

HAHAHA! We as a fanbase are so patient. That would be a lot of fun. Rebuild with no picks. At least the protests at MSG would be more successful.

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martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Dam is there an echo in here?

It's like there's a serial poster/stalker that can't stand their lovah-man getting rightfully disparaged.

I think you are missing the real point that there is no real merit to this article. No offer was on the table. Boston may or may not have called to even expressed interest. Who knows what an offer might have looked like. Too many variables here to really even discuss this. The article was click bait and we all clicked on it. Mission accomplished by ESPN.

The real point is not whether there was a pending deal or not, or if the Knicks were waiting on Melo to sign off on approving such a hypothetical deal, but that the Knicks broached Melo about the possibility to play for the 3rd seeded team in the east with an all star point guard and a bright head coach and future, and he ultimately chose to play for the 13th place non competitive team instead.

That's the point, that he'd rather be content playing out the string on a team not going anywhere, then really competing for something that truly matters. That shows you where his head is at, and as a Knicks fan I phucking hate it.

No, that's your interpretation of what you think is going on and what everyone is trying to tell you is pretty much skewed or flat out wrong.

Why didn't he go to Chicago then? Rose, Butler, Melo, Gasol, and Noah.

Tell me why, Martin? Answer's staring all of you in the face.

Probably because that situation wasn't as stable as people make it out to be. Thibs, who is now gone, was constantly warring with the front office; Rose was missing season after season after season; Pau Gasol wasn't even there at the time; and Jimmy Butler hadn't come into his own yet. Joakim Noah was really the omly aaving grace of the franchise but even he was showing signs of wear and tear that could hamper his future viability. Then add a paycut to that mix....

Given all that, which team was more attractive at the time? Getting a chance to knock off the Cavs in the East finals to finally crack the NBA Finals in your career or play with a rookie head coach and studs like Calderon and Quincy Acy and Jason Smith?

I mean he knew signing the contract would mean futility versus a winning team close to ring contention, come on now.

The Bulls were a winning team but things change quickly in this league. Last year they were a contender; this year they are fading out of the playoff picture entirely. The same can be said about the Rockets who had been courting him as well. That beig said, there was definitely uncertainty in both situations though on the surface, Chicago seemed like the better play. Today it might be a toss-up because I don't seem him being thrilled with the fact that they have picks to build their team with.

NardDogNation wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Dam is there an echo in here?

It's like there's a serial poster/stalker that can't stand their lovah-man getting rightfully disparaged.

I think you are missing the real point that there is no real merit to this article. No offer was on the table. Boston may or may not have called to even expressed interest. Who knows what an offer might have looked like. Too many variables here to really even discuss this. The article was click bait and we all clicked on it. Mission accomplished by ESPN.

The real point is not whether there was a pending deal or not, or if the Knicks were waiting on Melo to sign off on approving such a hypothetical deal, but that the Knicks broached Melo about the possibility to play for the 3rd seeded team in the east with an all star point guard and a bright head coach and future, and he ultimately chose to play for the 13th place non competitive team instead.

That's the point, that he'd rather be content playing out the string on a team not going anywhere, then really competing for something that truly matters. That shows you where his head is at, and as a Knicks fan I phucking hate it.

No, that's your interpretation of what you think is going on and what everyone is trying to tell you is pretty much skewed or flat out wrong.

Why didn't he go to Chicago then? Rose, Butler, Melo, Gasol, and Noah.

Tell me why, Martin? Answer's staring all of you in the face.

Probably because that situation wasn't as stable as people make it out to be. Thibs, who is now gone, was constantly warring with the front office; Rose was missing season after season after season; Pau Gasol wasn't even there at the time; and Jimmy Butler hadn't come into his own yet. Joakim Noah was really the omly aaving grace of the franchise but even he was showing signs of wear and tear that could hamper his future viability. Then add a paycut to that mix....

Given all that, which team was more attractive at the time? Getting a chance to knock off the Cavs in the East finals to finally crack the NBA Finals in your career or play with a rookie head coach and studs like Calderon and Quincy Acy and Jason Smith?

I mean he knew signing the contract would mean futility versus a winning team close to ring contention, come on now.

The Bulls were a winning team but things change quickly in this league. Last year they were a contender; this year they are fading out of the playoff picture entirely. The same can be said about the Rockets who had been courting him as well. That beig said, there was definitely uncertainty in both situations though on the surface, Chicago seemed like the better play. Today it might be a toss-up because I don't seem him being thrilled with the fact that they have picks to build their team with.

Yes, things are fluid obviously, but if Melo signed with either Chicago or Houston, who knows maybe Melo gets past Lebron in the east somehow or Houston makes thing interesting in the west.

Either situation was more attractive then, then going to play with Shane Larkin and Samuel Dalembert.