blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Anthony stated that he wanted to come to the Knicks...he had complete control over where he was going to play the next season.

I could be wrong...but wasn't the advantage of a sign and trade so Anthony could get an extra year on his contract...and didn't he end up opting out of that extra year to sign the contract he negotiated with Phil? Anthony would have had the same ability to sign a few contract when he did if he signed with us as a FA...No?

Even if you didn't care for the players we gave up in the trade- you could have used them as trade assets at a later point. We all know that the Cavs were willing to fork over picks for Mosgov, and Gallo could have gotten you something as well.

By the way...no guarantee that Gallo or Chandler would have gotten hurt they way they did in Denver if they had stayed with us.

Gave up our 2014 #1, which I don't think was as good of a pick as Denver hoped it would be, but it might have gotten us a decent player, or it could have been used in conjunction with a player to help the team improve.

Not sure how Denver used the 2nd Rnd picks we gave them.

Would have saved our Amnesty option- not even a need to decide on whether Billups should be amnestied because he would never have been on the team.

If I'm wrong on any of this, especially the part in bold letters, folks should let me know.

Man, we could've gotten friggin CP3. Remember that idiot Dell Demps was ready to give him up for Kevin Martin (bench player even at that point), Lamar Odom (about to fall of the map) and Luis Scola (who I don't think was ever a consistent starter after that point). When the league let Demps know he was an idiot and voided the transaction, they settled for Eric Gordon (bleh), Al-Faruq Aminu (bleh), Chris Kaman and a future pick that became Austin Rivers.

Gallo, even back then, was considered to be of the same strata as an Eric Gordon, Wilson Chandler was looking like the ultimate glue guy (i.e. better than Aminu), Mozgov was still an intriguing young talent and Raymond Felton was a candidate for Most Improved Player of the Year who had people debating whether we should've even take the gamble on a post-knee surgery CP3. Our package, without a doubt, trumped anything the Clippers were offering and could've gotten us Paul had Melo just calmed his ass down and signed with us as a free agent. But I mostly blame Donnie Walsh for a slew of bad decisions that left us strapped for assets.

Can anyone explain to me why we picked Gallinari at 6th in the 2008 draft when he was already red-flagged for his back injury and not other team from 7th to 9th demonstrated any interest in him? We easily could've traded down by picking Brook Lopez at 6th and swapping him for the Nets' 10th pick, to select Gallo, and the 21st pick to take one of Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, George Hill, Goran Dragic, Courtney Lee or Ryan Anderson who the Nets did take.

Same deal with the 2009 draft. Why take Jordan Hill 9th when we clearly were not thrilled with him AND needed a PG? We should've traded down yet again to select any PG and unloaded Jared Jefferies contract in the process. And why take Toney Douglas 29th in a draft that still had Patty Mills, Danny Green, Dante Cunningham, Marcus Thornton, Chase Budinger and Jodie Meeks still on the board?

Why throw a 2012 first round pick and dump Jordan Hill, who still had potential, just to dump one extra year of Jared Jefferies' contract? We had no idea whether we'd even use that $7 million of cap space in free agency and easily could've unloaded that contract with $3 million of cash had we simply waited until the dust settled when LeBron made his decision. Remember that a bunch of teams had cap space that year and left, holding their dicks in their hand, which quickly created a sellers market.

Why take Iman Shumpert with the 17th pick in a draft where no one (aside from Phoenix) had any interest in him as a first round pick? Again, I don't mind the selection by why waste the value of the pick by selecting a guy you easily could've traded down for and recouped more assets in the process? Hell, even if you missed out on drafting him in the process, would you really have an issue picking one of the other late first round/early second picks that year: Jimmy Butler, Kenneth Faried, Nikola Mirotic, Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Cory Joseph, Norris Cole, Donatas Montejunias, Chandler Parsons, Will Barton, Isaiah Thomas and Bojan Bogdanovic?

Like I intimated, Donnie Walsh destroyed this franchise. People gave him a pass though because we improved record-wise and because he seemed like everyone's loveable grandpa. But make no mistake, that man was every bit as devastating as Scott Layden...Scott just never had Carmelo Anthony and (one season of) Amar'e Stoudemire beating down his door.

The point I was trying to make is that if Donnie Walsh knew what he was doing, we would've had more than enough assets to trade for both Melo and CP3. Entering the 2010 offseason, this should've been our team.

PG: Goran Dragic (40th pick in 2008 from trading down with the Nets), Darren Collision/Ty Lawson/Jeff Teague/Eric Maynor, Jrue Holiday (obtained from trading down in 2009)
SG: Landry Fields (rights), Jodie Meeks/Marcus Thornton/Danny Green (picked instead of Toney Douglas), Andy Rautins (rights)
SF: Wilson Chandler, Chase Budinger (2nd round pick from DET trade for giving them Eddy Curry in 2008)
PF: Danilo Gallinari, Ryan Anderson (obtained from trading down in the 2008 draft)
C: David Lee (Bird Rights), DeAndre Jordan (obtained using the DET's 29th pick in 2008- Eddy Curry deal)

Cap Space: ~$40 million

Yes, we'd still be a lottery team but there would've been an abundance of assets to make the kinds of moves we wanted to make to form our own big 3 and still have the infrastructure to surround them with competent, young, role players.

Will we ever have a GM that understands the value of assets, and how to build a team from the bottom up? You don't build around Melo, you add Melo to a team already built up....That was a huge mistake. Typically, when all fails, you build a team starting with a PG or Center. When Melo came, those were our two biggest weaknesses. Whats interesting is when Melo had Lin and Tyson, we won over 50 games. If Melo doesn't have a complete team, he's a waste. You can't max out a guy who needs two other max players around him to win.....

I don't totally agree with that. Building a team before you get a guy like Melo is like buying rims for a car before you have the car. Melo is a tremendous talent but even tremendous talents have their limitations. Save for maybe LeBron, I don't see any star coming into the situations we've had and making us into a consistent playoff team. As a franchise, we've done a poor job in providing Melo the kind of infrastructure that'd compliment his shortcomings and enhance the things he does well. Everything is a struggle for the man and that does not lend itself to a winner. Just look at how effortlessly Steph Curry gets to score without a double team since teams know that Draymond Green, Klay Thompson and company are waiting in the corners. Those are the kind of circumstances winning teams perpetuate!

That being said though, the Knicks should've done their damnedest to acquire young ball players if for no other reason than to use them as trade chips. I never understood Walsh"s undying relentless in trying to build a playoff team and forego the promise of having better positioned lottery picks in 2008 and 2009. I'm not sure it would've taken a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that LeBron would've liked to have played with Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin or a James Harden on their rookie contracts than Al Harrington, (the ghost of) Tracy McGrady, Chris Duhon, Larry Hughes, etc. But then again, there was a lot about Walsh that I simply didn't get. I'm glad he's gone.

NardDogNation wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Anthony stated that he wanted to come to the Knicks...he had complete control over where he was going to play the next season.

I could be wrong...but wasn't the advantage of a sign and trade so Anthony could get an extra year on his contract...and didn't he end up opting out of that extra year to sign the contract he negotiated with Phil? Anthony would have had the same ability to sign a few contract when he did if he signed with us as a FA...No?

Even if you didn't care for the players we gave up in the trade- you could have used them as trade assets at a later point. We all know that the Cavs were willing to fork over picks for Mosgov, and Gallo could have gotten you something as well.

By the way...no guarantee that Gallo or Chandler would have gotten hurt they way they did in Denver if they had stayed with us.

Gave up our 2014 #1, which I don't think was as good of a pick as Denver hoped it would be, but it might have gotten us a decent player, or it could have been used in conjunction with a player to help the team improve.

Not sure how Denver used the 2nd Rnd picks we gave them.

Would have saved our Amnesty option- not even a need to decide on whether Billups should be amnestied because he would never have been on the team.

If I'm wrong on any of this, especially the part in bold letters, folks should let me know.

Man, we could've gotten friggin CP3. Remember that idiot Dell Demps was ready to give him up for Kevin Martin (bench player even at that point), Lamar Odom (about to fall of the map) and Luis Scola (who I don't think was ever a consistent starter after that point). When the league let Demps know he was an idiot and voided the transaction, they settled for Eric Gordon (bleh), Al-Faruq Aminu (bleh), Chris Kaman and a future pick that became Austin Rivers.

Gallo, even back then, was considered to be of the same strata as an Eric Gordon, Wilson Chandler was looking like the ultimate glue guy (i.e. better than Aminu), Mozgov was still an intriguing young talent and Raymond Felton was a candidate for Most Improved Player of the Year who had people debating whether we should've even take the gamble on a post-knee surgery CP3. Our package, without a doubt, trumped anything the Clippers were offering and could've gotten us Paul had Melo just calmed his ass down and signed with us as a free agent. But I mostly blame Donnie Walsh for a slew of bad decisions that left us strapped for assets.

Can anyone explain to me why we picked Gallinari at 6th in the 2008 draft when he was already red-flagged for his back injury and not other team from 7th to 9th demonstrated any interest in him? We easily could've traded down by picking Brook Lopez at 6th and swapping him for the Nets' 10th pick, to select Gallo, and the 21st pick to take one of Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, George Hill, Goran Dragic, Courtney Lee or Ryan Anderson who the Nets did take.

Same deal with the 2009 draft. Why take Jordan Hill 9th when we clearly were not thrilled with him AND needed a PG? We should've traded down yet again to select any PG and unloaded Jared Jefferies contract in the process. And why take Toney Douglas 29th in a draft that still had Patty Mills, Danny Green, Dante Cunningham, Marcus Thornton, Chase Budinger and Jodie Meeks still on the board?

Why throw a 2012 first round pick and dump Jordan Hill, who still had potential, just to dump one extra year of Jared Jefferies' contract? We had no idea whether we'd even use that $7 million of cap space in free agency and easily could've unloaded that contract with $3 million of cash had we simply waited until the dust settled when LeBron made his decision. Remember that a bunch of teams had cap space that year and left, holding their dicks in their hand, which quickly created a sellers market.

Why take Iman Shumpert with the 17th pick in a draft where no one (aside from Phoenix) had any interest in him as a first round pick? Again, I don't mind the selection by why waste the value of the pick by selecting a guy you easily could've traded down for and recouped more assets in the process? Hell, even if you missed out on drafting him in the process, would you really have an issue picking one of the other late first round/early second picks that year: Jimmy Butler, Kenneth Faried, Nikola Mirotic, Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Cory Joseph, Norris Cole, Donatas Montejunias, Chandler Parsons, Will Barton, Isaiah Thomas and Bojan Bogdanovic?

Like I intimated, Donnie Walsh destroyed this franchise. People gave him a pass though because we improved record-wise and because he seemed like everyone's loveable grandpa. But make no mistake, that man was every bit as devastating as Scott Layden...Scott just never had Carmelo Anthony and (one season of) Amar'e Stoudemire beating down his door.

The point I was trying to make is that if Donnie Walsh knew what he was doing, we would've had more than enough assets to trade for both Melo and CP3. Entering the 2010 offseason, this should've been our team.

PG: Goran Dragic (40th pick in 2008 from trading down with the Nets), Darren Collision/Ty Lawson/Jeff Teague/Eric Maynor, Jrue Holiday (obtained from trading down in 2009)
SG: Landry Fields (rights), Jodie Meeks/Marcus Thornton/Danny Green (picked instead of Toney Douglas), Andy Rautins (rights)
SF: Wilson Chandler, Chase Budinger (2nd round pick from DET trade for giving them Eddy Curry in 2008)
PF: Danilo Gallinari, Ryan Anderson (obtained from trading down in the 2008 draft)
C: David Lee (Bird Rights), DeAndre Jordan (obtained using the DET's 29th pick in 2008- Eddy Curry deal)

Cap Space: ~$40 million

Yes, we'd still be a lottery team but there would've been an abundance of assets to make the kinds of moves we wanted to make to form our own big 3 and still have the infrastructure to surround them with competent, young, role players.

Will we ever have a GM that understands the value of assets, and how to build a team from the bottom up? You don't build around Melo, you add Melo to a team already built up....That was a huge mistake. Typically, when all fails, you build a team starting with a PG or Center. When Melo came, those were our two biggest weaknesses. Whats interesting is when Melo had Lin and Tyson, we won over 50 games. If Melo doesn't have a complete team, he's a waste. You can't max out a guy who needs two other max players around him to win.....

I don't totally agree with that. Building a team before you get a guy like Melo is like buying rims for a car before you have the car. Melo is a tremendous talent but even tremendous talents have their limitations. Save for maybe LeBron, I don't see any star coming into the situations we've had and making us into a consistent playoff team. As a franchise, we've done a poor job in providing Melo the kind of infrastructure that'd compliment his shortcomings and enhance the things he does well. Everything is a struggle for the man and that does not lend itself to a winner. Just look at how effortlessly Steph Curry gets to score without a double team since teams know that Draymond Green, Klay Thompson and company are waiting in the corners. Those are the kind of circumstances winning teams perpetuate!

That being said though, the Knicks should've done their damnedest to acquire young ball players if for no other reason than to use them as trade chips. I never understood Walsh"s undying relentless in trying to build a playoff team and forego the promise of having better positioned lottery picks in 2008 and 2009. I'm not sure it would've taken a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that LeBron would've liked to have played with Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin or a James Harden on their rookie contracts than Al Harrington, (the ghost of) Tracy McGrady, Chris Duhon, Larry Hughes, etc. But then again, there was a lot about Walsh that I simply didn't get. I'm glad he's gone.

We just going to agree to disagree...

1. Melo is not a tremendous talent. He's a scorer. A tremendous talent does more that score for themselves.....
2. You build a team around a superstar or rising star who usually has more than 1 skill. KP could be that rising star. But right now he has a long ways to go.
3. I don't know what 3 is, I just like counting.....

But I don't like self proclaimed superstars who lacks defense and other impactful skill sets that doesn't make others better. Yes he's passing more, finally....But he's still a gunner, don't let him fool you. And you don't build a team around an ISO GUNNER. This isn't NBA Live. Thats why Phil thought he could use the triangle and bring Melo a championship like Phil did for Kobe, the originally gunner. Here's the problem, Melo now is no comparison to Kobe in his prime.
So if you're a gunner, the triangle is good for you. We need to stop trying to make Melo be something he's not. He's not an assist guy.....He's not a lock down defender. Just because Dolan was stupid enough to give him a max no trade contract, doesn't mean he's a star like the others making the same money. Melo was and has been and now in his mid 30's is a limited player. Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Let Melo be a gunner and everybody stop complaining.....thats what he's good at. And thats what Phils triangle needs. But at the same time, Kobe always had a better supporting cast around him. Gunners need other scorers around them.....Especially old gunners......Phil is getting there....He did great in the off season, adding roll players. If he can do that again, plus add another star player, we should be straight. Move up to being a 1st round exit team? lol

We are entering a time where you need 3 pt shooters.....And star players / system that attracks other stars. So far, we don't have that.

Vmart wrote:The trade isn't the problem. It was that he was impatient and should have joined the knicks as a free agent. This way the team wouldn't have been depleted. Imagine Melo with Amare, Chandle and Gallo.

Mozgov at C instead of Ronny Turiaf

smackeddog wrote:Literally all we have to do is not trade first round picks- that's the one lesson we must have learned by now! Then if your signing plans go wrong or injuries strike, you can still end up with a franchise player. Even if you don't end up with a top 10,you can draft a contributing player and upgrade the talent of your team cheaply. It's not rocket science and I'm glad Phil knows this. I never again want to be in the situation we are in now, whereby the playoffs aren't a possibility but we have no draft to look forward to. It's crazy to think we were so desperate to give tens of millions to sign Amare or Aldridge at the tail end of their careers, when we could have drafted them for free if we just hadn't done the curry trade.

Amen. My exact stance the past 15yrs.

Just don't tell that to people who believe the Knicks way of building the team over the past 15yrs is the right away instead of building through the draft. Cos the draft is a "crapshoot" and this horrible resource to use in building your team

So while he could have been free to sign here, Bird rights, and the above all factored in. Regarding Deron, it would have been assumed Walsh or Dolan would have bit on that hard. Deron was a top 5 guard at the time. It would have been bad.

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Anthony stated that he wanted to come to the Knicks...he had complete control over where he was going to play the next season.

I could be wrong...but wasn't the advantage of a sign and trade so Anthony could get an extra year on his contract...and didn't he end up opting out of that extra year to sign the contract he negotiated with Phil? Anthony would have had the same ability to sign a few contract when he did if he signed with us as a FA...No?

Even if you didn't care for the players we gave up in the trade- you could have used them as trade assets at a later point. We all know that the Cavs were willing to fork over picks for Mosgov, and Gallo could have gotten you something as well.

By the way...no guarantee that Gallo or Chandler would have gotten hurt they way they did in Denver if they had stayed with us.

Gave up our 2014 #1, which I don't think was as good of a pick as Denver hoped it would be, but it might have gotten us a decent player, or it could have been used in conjunction with a player to help the team improve.

Not sure how Denver used the 2nd Rnd picks we gave them.

Would have saved our Amnesty option- not even a need to decide on whether Billups should be amnestied because he would never have been on the team.

If I'm wrong on any of this, especially the part in bold letters, folks should let me know.

No you are exactly right. That was Walsh's plan. We would've been in much better hands bad Walsh got his way and stayed. Held on to our picks and assets, maybe traded for Chris Paul etc.

People just don't get it. It's been 5yrs and they still don't get it

Here's another 5 years that some people just don't get:

2009-10 29-53, .354, No playoffs
2008-09 32-50, .390, No playoffs
2007-08 23-59, .280, No playoffs
2006-07 33-49, .402, No playoffs
2005-06 23-59, .280, No playoffs

NardDogNation wrote:

blkexec wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Anthony stated that he wanted to come to the Knicks...he had complete control over where he was going to play the next season.

I could be wrong...but wasn't the advantage of a sign and trade so Anthony could get an extra year on his contract...and didn't he end up opting out of that extra year to sign the contract he negotiated with Phil? Anthony would have had the same ability to sign a few contract when he did if he signed with us as a FA...No?

Even if you didn't care for the players we gave up in the trade- you could have used them as trade assets at a later point. We all know that the Cavs were willing to fork over picks for Mosgov, and Gallo could have gotten you something as well.

By the way...no guarantee that Gallo or Chandler would have gotten hurt they way they did in Denver if they had stayed with us.

Gave up our 2014 #1, which I don't think was as good of a pick as Denver hoped it would be, but it might have gotten us a decent player, or it could have been used in conjunction with a player to help the team improve.

Not sure how Denver used the 2nd Rnd picks we gave them.

Would have saved our Amnesty option- not even a need to decide on whether Billups should be amnestied because he would never have been on the team.

If I'm wrong on any of this, especially the part in bold letters, folks should let me know.

Man, we could've gotten friggin CP3. Remember that idiot Dell Demps was ready to give him up for Kevin Martin (bench player even at that point), Lamar Odom (about to fall of the map) and Luis Scola (who I don't think was ever a consistent starter after that point). When the league let Demps know he was an idiot and voided the transaction, they settled for Eric Gordon (bleh), Al-Faruq Aminu (bleh), Chris Kaman and a future pick that became Austin Rivers.

Gallo, even back then, was considered to be of the same strata as an Eric Gordon, Wilson Chandler was looking like the ultimate glue guy (i.e. better than Aminu), Mozgov was still an intriguing young talent and Raymond Felton was a candidate for Most Improved Player of the Year who had people debating whether we should've even take the gamble on a post-knee surgery CP3. Our package, without a doubt, trumped anything the Clippers were offering and could've gotten us Paul had Melo just calmed his ass down and signed with us as a free agent. But I mostly blame Donnie Walsh for a slew of bad decisions that left us strapped for assets.

Can anyone explain to me why we picked Gallinari at 6th in the 2008 draft when he was already red-flagged for his back injury and not other team from 7th to 9th demonstrated any interest in him? We easily could've traded down by picking Brook Lopez at 6th and swapping him for the Nets' 10th pick, to select Gallo, and the 21st pick to take one of Serge Ibaka, Nicolas Batum, George Hill, Goran Dragic, Courtney Lee or Ryan Anderson who the Nets did take.

Same deal with the 2009 draft. Why take Jordan Hill 9th when we clearly were not thrilled with him AND needed a PG? We should've traded down yet again to select any PG and unloaded Jared Jefferies contract in the process. And why take Toney Douglas 29th in a draft that still had Patty Mills, Danny Green, Dante Cunningham, Marcus Thornton, Chase Budinger and Jodie Meeks still on the board?

Why throw a 2012 first round pick and dump Jordan Hill, who still had potential, just to dump one extra year of Jared Jefferies' contract? We had no idea whether we'd even use that $7 million of cap space in free agency and easily could've unloaded that contract with $3 million of cash had we simply waited until the dust settled when LeBron made his decision. Remember that a bunch of teams had cap space that year and left, holding their dicks in their hand, which quickly created a sellers market.

Why take Iman Shumpert with the 17th pick in a draft where no one (aside from Phoenix) had any interest in him as a first round pick? Again, I don't mind the selection by why waste the value of the pick by selecting a guy you easily could've traded down for and recouped more assets in the process? Hell, even if you missed out on drafting him in the process, would you really have an issue picking one of the other late first round/early second picks that year: Jimmy Butler, Kenneth Faried, Nikola Mirotic, Tobias Harris, Reggie Jackson, Cory Joseph, Norris Cole, Donatas Montejunias, Chandler Parsons, Will Barton, Isaiah Thomas and Bojan Bogdanovic?

Like I intimated, Donnie Walsh destroyed this franchise. People gave him a pass though because we improved record-wise and because he seemed like everyone's loveable grandpa. But make no mistake, that man was every bit as devastating as Scott Layden...Scott just never had Carmelo Anthony and (one season of) Amar'e Stoudemire beating down his door.

The point I was trying to make is that if Donnie Walsh knew what he was doing, we would've had more than enough assets to trade for both Melo and CP3. Entering the 2010 offseason, this should've been our team.

PG: Goran Dragic (40th pick in 2008 from trading down with the Nets), Darren Collision/Ty Lawson/Jeff Teague/Eric Maynor, Jrue Holiday (obtained from trading down in 2009)
SG: Landry Fields (rights), Jodie Meeks/Marcus Thornton/Danny Green (picked instead of Toney Douglas), Andy Rautins (rights)
SF: Wilson Chandler, Chase Budinger (2nd round pick from DET trade for giving them Eddy Curry in 2008)
PF: Danilo Gallinari, Ryan Anderson (obtained from trading down in the 2008 draft)
C: David Lee (Bird Rights), DeAndre Jordan (obtained using the DET's 29th pick in 2008- Eddy Curry deal)

Cap Space: ~$40 million

Yes, we'd still be a lottery team but there would've been an abundance of assets to make the kinds of moves we wanted to make to form our own big 3 and still have the infrastructure to surround them with competent, young, role players.

Will we ever have a GM that understands the value of assets, and how to build a team from the bottom up? You don't build around Melo, you add Melo to a team already built up....That was a huge mistake. Typically, when all fails, you build a team starting with a PG or Center. When Melo came, those were our two biggest weaknesses. Whats interesting is when Melo had Lin and Tyson, we won over 50 games. If Melo doesn't have a complete team, he's a waste. You can't max out a guy who needs two other max players around him to win.....

I don't totally agree with that. Building a team before you get a guy like Melo is like buying rims for a car before you have the car. Melo is a tremendous talent but even tremendous talents have their limitations. Save for maybe LeBron, I don't see any star coming into the situations we've had and making us into a consistent playoff team. As a franchise, we've done a poor job in providing Melo the kind of infrastructure that'd compliment his shortcomings and enhance the things he does well. Everything is a struggle for the man and that does not lend itself to a winner. Just look at how effortlessly Steph Curry gets to score without a double team since teams know that Draymond Green, Klay Thompson and company are waiting in the corners. Those are the kind of circumstances winning teams perpetuate!

That being said though, the Knicks should've done their damnedest to acquire young ball players if for no other reason than to use them as trade chips. I never understood Walsh"s undying relentless in trying to build a playoff team and forego the promise of having better positioned lottery picks in 2008 and 2009. I'm not sure it would've taken a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that LeBron would've liked to have played with Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook, Blake Griffin or a James Harden on their rookie contracts than Al Harrington, (the ghost of) Tracy McGrady, Chris Duhon, Larry Hughes, etc. But then again, there was a lot about Walsh that I simply didn't get. I'm glad he's gone.

+10000000000000
It's incredible how some people on here just don't ever get this.

jrodmc wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Anthony stated that he wanted to come to the Knicks...he had complete control over where he was going to play the next season.

I could be wrong...but wasn't the advantage of a sign and trade so Anthony could get an extra year on his contract...and didn't he end up opting out of that extra year to sign the contract he negotiated with Phil? Anthony would have had the same ability to sign a few contract when he did if he signed with us as a FA...No?

Even if you didn't care for the players we gave up in the trade- you could have used them as trade assets at a later point. We all know that the Cavs were willing to fork over picks for Mosgov, and Gallo could have gotten you something as well.

By the way...no guarantee that Gallo or Chandler would have gotten hurt they way they did in Denver if they had stayed with us.

Gave up our 2014 #1, which I don't think was as good of a pick as Denver hoped it would be, but it might have gotten us a decent player, or it could have been used in conjunction with a player to help the team improve.

Not sure how Denver used the 2nd Rnd picks we gave them.

Would have saved our Amnesty option- not even a need to decide on whether Billups should be amnestied because he would never have been on the team.

If I'm wrong on any of this, especially the part in bold letters, folks should let me know.

No you are exactly right. That was Walsh's plan. We would've been in much better hands bad Walsh got his way and stayed. Held on to our picks and assets, maybe traded for Chris Paul etc.

People just don't get it. It's been 5yrs and they still don't get it

Here's another 5 years that some people just don't get:

2009-10 29-53, .354, No playoffs
2008-09 32-50, .390, No playoffs
2007-08 23-59, .280, No playoffs
2006-07 33-49, .402, No playoffs
2005-06 23-59, .280, No playoffs

Exactly right. We haven't had a great 5 years with Melo, but there have been some highlights. Much more than the 8 years previous to that. Melo gave us hope, we got to the playoffs 3 years in a row, won a playoff series, looked like a championship contender for a short period when we had the best record in the league. This was after all of the mis-managed moves after acquiring Melo. Just imagine if we were a little more patient after acquiring him, we could have got it right.