Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:KP and RoLl are not good together right now because right now KP is not very good. He is a very good rookie but as an NBA player he is okay and probably below that recently as he has hit a wall.

Agreed. Also, it's disappointing that KP went from a 10 RPG player in December to a 6.5 RPG guy in Jan and Feb.

Its a combination of things. My bet--if Rolo sits out and we put KP at 5 and lets say Lance Thomas at 4--I bet KP has 25-12-3 in 35 minutes.

So as a rookie he's already as good as Ewing, Olajuwon, and David Robinson were in their peak years? He'd be playing at the Ewing-Olajuwon level if Rolo wasn't in the way? This is ridiculous. Last I saw, his rebounding rate was much better when Rolo was on the floor actually, though that was earlier in the season.

It looks like this is still the case

When Porzingis and Lopez share the court, the Knicks grab more than eight percent more offensive rebounds and nearly five percent more defensive rebounds than when Porzingis plays center, per NBAWowy.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/2/17/11022090/robin-lopez-knicks-role-player-highlights-stats
You can go to that website and see how the team does with any player on and any player off the court. With Rolo off the court, KP averages about 4 more points per 36 minutes but he shoots at about the same rate (44%). He just takes more shots. Meanwhile, he averages about 3 less rebounds per 36 when Rolo is off than on the court. So overall, he's less effective even though he takes more shots. The biggest problem is that we only have 3 players who belong in an NBA starting lineup (Melo, Rolo, and KP). So if you take one out, you have to replace him with someone who doesn't belong in a starting lineup.

This is a very interesting stat and post and what I long believed phill vision was. He wants these guys together w KP at 4. Over the course of the game the rebounding edge will be huge. To quote hated villain pat Riley, "no rebounds, no rings".

We need to get our defense right, with better D at the guards and an upgrade on offense from those positions and we can be a force. Some small changes can make a big difference for us

Yeah, when Briggs says they don't fit together, my guess is he's completely forgetting about the defensive half of the game. Even on offense, I think we're better off with them together than any of the other options we have in the front court.

it depends on the other team. If they are running small then we are too slow to guard. More and more teams are following GS and playing really small and fast lineups. Of course we may have the rebounding edge but that is often not enough to afford to play big.

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:KP and RoLl are not good together right now because right now KP is not very good. He is a very good rookie but as an NBA player he is okay and probably below that recently as he has hit a wall.

Agreed. Also, it's disappointing that KP went from a 10 RPG player in December to a 6.5 RPG guy in Jan and Feb.

Its a combination of things. My bet--if Rolo sits out and we put KP at 5 and lets say Lance Thomas at 4--I bet KP has 25-12-3 in 35 minutes.

So as a rookie he's already as good as Ewing, Olajuwon, and David Robinson were in their peak years? He'd be playing at the Ewing-Olajuwon level if Rolo wasn't in the way? This is ridiculous. Last I saw, his rebounding rate was much better when Rolo was on the floor actually, though that was earlier in the season.

It looks like this is still the case

When Porzingis and Lopez share the court, the Knicks grab more than eight percent more offensive rebounds and nearly five percent more defensive rebounds than when Porzingis plays center, per NBAWowy.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/2/17/11022090/robin-lopez-knicks-role-player-highlights-stats
You can go to that website and see how the team does with any player on and any player off the court. With Rolo off the court, KP averages about 4 more points per 36 minutes but he shoots at about the same rate (44%). He just takes more shots. Meanwhile, he averages about 3 less rebounds per 36 when Rolo is off than on the court. So overall, he's less effective even though he takes more shots. The biggest problem is that we only have 3 players who belong in an NBA starting lineup (Melo, Rolo, and KP). So if you take one out, you have to replace him with someone who doesn't belong in a starting lineup.

This is a very interesting stat and post and what I long believed phill vision was. He wants these guys together w KP at 4. Over the course of the game the rebounding edge will be huge. To quote hated villain pat Riley, "no rebounds, no rings".

We need to get our defense right, with better D at the guards and an upgrade on offense from those positions and we can be a force. Some small changes can make a big difference for us

Yeah, when Briggs says they don't fit together, my guess is he's completely forgetting about the defensive half of the game. Even on offense, I think we're better off with them together than any of the other options we have in the front court.

it depends on the other team. If they are running small then we are too slow to guard. More and more teams are following GS and playing really small and fast lineups. Of course we may have the rebounding edge but that is often not enough to afford to play big.

+1

gunsnewing wrote:I'm fairly certain the Knicks will look to trade Rolo in the offseason and move KP to the 5 for good. He clearly is more comfortable there as he is more involved in the offseason early in the game whether he is scoring or dishing out of the post. His skills and size are completely wasted standing behind the 3pt linen as a stretch 4. Hopefully we get decent returns for Lopez and not the trash we got back to Tyson & Shumpert

His 3pt shot is one of his biggest fortes....

BRIGGS wrote:Lopez takes all of that juicy interior space and he has played well no doubt--BUT KP has NOT played well with Lopez IN the game for the most part. On top of it their interior defense has been nothing short of crppy.

KP has hurt us in the 4th quarter in at least 5 games I can recall, just back breaking turnovers, or a horrible foul.

Last nigh against the pacers in the 4th 7 min mark, knicks up 5 or 6, kp collects a rebound and carelessly throws a weak 3 foot pass to calderon that paul geaorge intercepts takes 2 dribbles to his sweet spot, scores, finds his rhythm, (2 of 14 up to that point) and scores 8 straight.

Those are the little plays that people miss..

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lopez takes all of that juicy interior space and he has played well no doubt--BUT KP has NOT played well with Lopez IN the game for the most part. On top of it their interior defense has been nothing short of crppy.

KP has hurt us in the 4th quarter in at least 5 games I can recall, just back breaking turnovers, or a horrible foul.

Last nigh against the pacers in the 4th 7 min mark, knicks up 5 or 6, kp collects a rebound and carelessly throws a weak 3 foot pass to calderon that paul geaorge intercepts takes 2 dribbles to his sweet spot, scores, finds his rhythm, (2 of 14 up to that point) and scores 8 straight.

Those are the little plays that people miss..

Yes, trust me though, we aren't missing them. There were at least 2-3 Gallo passes that were of the same variety, shaking your head variety. I don't get it.

KP seems to be running on empty at times or hitting the rookie wall. He seems to be "chasing" a potential block more than focusing on positioning within the interior D. His finishing skills on Offense seem to be a bit off lately and he's been setting very poor screens on the perimeter. Part of the issue may be that he is more ancillary to the offense at this point.....not calling many plays for him while he stands out at the perimeter. He obviously has significant skills and should fill out and become more of a focal point on O in years to come.

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lopez takes all of that juicy interior space and he has played well no doubt--BUT KP has NOT played well with Lopez IN the game for the most part. On top of it their interior defense has been nothing short of crppy.

KP has hurt us in the 4th quarter in at least 5 games I can recall, just back breaking turnovers, or a horrible foul.

Last nigh against the pacers in the 4th 7 min mark, knicks up 5 or 6, kp collects a rebound and carelessly throws a weak 3 foot pass to calderon that paul geaorge intercepts takes 2 dribbles to his sweet spot, scores, finds his rhythm, (2 of 14 up to that point) and scores 8 straight.

Those are the little plays that people miss..

Those plays are fine because they are learning plays. It's good that we're expecting so much from a 20 year old.

That's good turnovers to have. Builds character.

Idk, hes been doing it pratically the entire season. You want to know why Galloway hasnt shown any improvement since last season, its becauae he played in a losing environment and clearly doesnt know how to play to win. Thats what happens when you bring young players along in a losing environment. Then you have a coaching staff that only had success when they had HOF players on veteran teams, so they are pretty cluessless when it comes to development.

The fact that Rambis can justify his rotation by stating "its the guys who play physical in practice is who gets to play" and still lose is mind boggling. 75% of our wins come with a 9 man rotation, and no sasha, but some how they completely ignore common sense

knicks1248 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Lopez takes all of that juicy interior space and he has played well no doubt--BUT KP has NOT played well with Lopez IN the game for the most part. On top of it their interior defense has been nothing short of crppy.

KP has hurt us in the 4th quarter in at least 5 games I can recall, just back breaking turnovers, or a horrible foul.

Last nigh against the pacers in the 4th 7 min mark, knicks up 5 or 6, kp collects a rebound and carelessly throws a weak 3 foot pass to calderon that paul geaorge intercepts takes 2 dribbles to his sweet spot, scores, finds his rhythm, (2 of 14 up to that point) and scores 8 straight.

Those are the little plays that people miss..

Those plays are fine because they are learning plays. It's good that we're expecting so much from a 20 year old.

That's good turnovers to have. Builds character.

Idk, hes been doing it pratically the entire season. You want to know why Galloway hasnt shown any improvement since last season, its becauae he played in a losing environment and clearly doesnt know how to play to win. Thats what happens when you bring young players along in a losing environment. Then you have a coaching staff that only had success when they had HOF players on veteran teams, so they are pretty cluessless when it comes to development.

The fact that Rambis can justify his rotation by stating "its the guys who play physical in practice is who gets to play" and still lose is mind boggling. 75% of our wins come with a 9 man rotation, and no sasha, but some how they completely ignore common sense

I have no problem with that. You must being it in practice. You must play defense. If you don't then you should not be playing. That's the culture change I want and most fans want. We need to upgrade the talent. Crying about what Rambis is doing after he took over one game before the all star break is so corny and exhausting.

mreinman wrote:thought that we have a place holder for this now?

Not about an individual player it's the reality that our frontline is to slow to guard and the offense gives kp little room

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:thought that we have a place holder for this now?

Not about an individual player it's the reality that our frontline is to slow to guard and the offense gives kp little room

Your reality, sure isnt mine. If you could change either the frontcourt or the backcourt in the offseason, which one would you choose? Just one choice.

Id remove melo and go with 3 guard sets and the two bigs and I might put either KP or Lopez on the bench(come off the bench) if I needed to to get my chemistry down pat. In the future it would be KP at 5 a mobile 4 with 3 guards and 2nd unit would be Lopez and same 10 man unit. I can possibly use Oquinn as a back up mobile 4.

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:thought that we have a place holder for this now?

Not about an individual player it's the reality that our frontline is to slow to guard and the offense gives kp little room

Your reality, sure isnt mine. If you could change either the frontcourt or the backcourt in the offseason, which one would you choose? Just one choice.

Id remove melo and go with 3 guard sets and the two bigs and I might put either KP or Lopez on the bench(come off the bench) if I needed to to get my chemistry down pat. In the future it would be KP at 5 a mobile 4 with 3 guards and 2nd unit would be Lopez and same 10 man unit. I can possibly use Oquinn as a back up mobile 4.

I will try again.Just KP/Lopez, Calderon/Afflalo. You can upgrade either the starting frontcourt or the backcourt. No benching, switching positions, no one on the bench promoted, you will be looking outside the roster for help. Which one would you prioritize in the offseason? Just one choice.

Thats a dumb question? I dont care what we have now--it needs significant change. Whoever I had to sit Lopez or KP or get rid of Carmelo /all of our crap guards--to me theyre ALL gone. I would work until the chemistry is right. Im happy with Lopez and KP but they dont necessarily have to start together.