MS wrote:We certainly have done the half ass tear down year after year. The Sixers plan looks bad because there haven't been a lot of building blocks in the drafts that they have ranked.

Had we been able to get Brooklyns top 3 protected pick for Melo this year year and made a run at a young kid like Ingram or Simmonds it would have made a lot of sense.

Phil unfortunately didn't evaluate his first trade and Calederon has killed us and will continue to do so until his contract runs out. He should have locked Galloway and Thomas into multi year deals this summer at a little bit of a raise as well.

With the cap where it is and roll players making 12-15MM it makes it very hard to rebuild. A team like the Warriors got lucky much like the Celtics or Grizzled locking in a max player at 11mm and 9mm.

We aren't one player away we are two players away and that's likely 35MM of salary.

So hard to argue with the Melo staying and not fully rebuilding approach and positioning themselves for 2017 while holding on to Lopez so KP can continue to slowly transition to the teams 5.

The real rebuild is most likely as long as Melo has left.
Getting him out earlier is a shortcut, cool one, but unlikely.

I respect Melo for wanting to stay and maybe he will. We'll see.

Why worry about it right now? Can't happen til near the draft anyway. Enjoy the Knicks games, enjoy college basketball. We'll know more this summer.

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

We have our foundational player, just as GS did with Steph in 2009. GS first playoffs were 2012-13, 3 years into the Steph career. That whole timeline is 6 years from draft to Championship. You willing to wait 3 years of no playoffs and 6 years total?

You are already advocating total teardown (again) after half season.

If Melo can get me Brooklyn's pick and one other--thats all. Ill keep Lopez KP and two young guards. The rest of the team is sketchy anyway?

You forgot to mention a couple of key vets. Who basically won key playoff games for them. Clue...not a draft pick. And as everyone has mentioned, please name the many examples of teams who have been stuck in draft pick limbo. This type of acute example would be like using the Heat and their big three as a model for building a ring. Just not easy for other teams to imitate. Let's just face it, your a hindsite complainer. As well as a composer of crazy scenarios that can never be proven wrong as they will never materialize. Did you have a girlfriend that no one ever saw throughout school? I am sure she was really hot.

Your posts are too stupid to reply to anymore. If you can't see the structural flaws of the Knicks and why it would be in their bests interests to trade melo in a heavy asset laden deal than I can't help you also learn some class don't talk about other peoples girl that you've never met

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

We have our foundational player, just as GS did with Steph in 2009. GS first playoffs were 2012-13, 3 years into the Steph career. That whole timeline is 6 years from draft to Championship. You willing to wait 3 years of no playoffs and 6 years total?

You are already advocating total teardown (again) after half season.

If Melo can get me Brooklyn's pick and one other--thats all. Ill keep Lopez KP and two young guards. The rest of the team is sketchy anyway?

You forgot to mention a couple of key vets. Who basically won key playoff games for them. Clue...not a draft pick. And as everyone has mentioned, please name the many examples of teams who have been stuck in draft pick limbo. This type of acute example would be like using the Heat and their big three as a model for building a ring. Just not easy for other teams to imitate. Let's just face it, your a hindsite complainer. As well as a composer of crazy scenarios that can never be proven wrong as they will never materialize. Did you have a girlfriend that no one ever saw throughout school? I am sure she was really hot.

Your posts are too stupid to reply to anymore. If you can't see the structural flaws of the Knicks and why it would be in their bests interests to trade melo in a heavy asset laden deal than I can't help you also learn some class don't talk about other peoples girl that you've never met

Lmao. Point was everything you talk about is imaginary. Where is this heavy asset laden deal? Where?

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

We have our foundational player, just as GS did with Steph in 2009. GS first playoffs were 2012-13, 3 years into the Steph career. That whole timeline is 6 years from draft to Championship. You willing to wait 3 years of no playoffs and 6 years total?

You are already advocating total teardown (again) after half season.

If Melo can get me Brooklyn's pick and one other--thats all. Ill keep Lopez KP and two young guards. The rest of the team is sketchy anyway?

You forgot to mention a couple of key vets. Who basically won key playoff games for them. Clue...not a draft pick. And as everyone has mentioned, please name the many examples of teams who have been stuck in draft pick limbo. This type of acute example would be like using the Heat and their big three as a model for building a ring. Just not easy for other teams to imitate. Let's just face it, your a hindsite complainer. As well as a composer of crazy scenarios that can never be proven wrong as they will never materialize. Did you have a girlfriend that no one ever saw throughout school? I am sure she was really hot.

Your posts are too stupid to reply to anymore. If you can't see the structural flaws of the Knicks and why it would be in their bests interests to trade melo in a heavy asset laden deal than I can't help you also learn some class don't talk about other peoples girl that you've never met

So what contender is melo going to that would bring back assets..There's 3 or 4 contenders in the NBA, are they going to gut their team to bring in melo, is melo going to waive his NTC to go to a team a lottery team. Any team he's traded for will have to give up major role players, which may take them out of contention.

You have a better shot building around KP and MELO than trading him..that's why your opinion sounds ridiculous and far fetch, it's like a 10% chance of that actually happening.

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Thoughts from the dark side....

Seems like many here think that the Celtics would actually give up the #3 Brooklyn pick
in some sort of megadeal. Keep dreaming, Danny Ainge, one of the smartest GMs in the business, is not giving that pick up unless he slams someone. He can't slam the Knicks because they have nothing of value except for KP who is not going anywhere.
Just last week, he wouldn't pull the trigger for Kevin Love (who the team has coveted for some time)
but he's patiently waiting to make a major splash this summer with the other two picks from the first round and current players not named Isiah Thomas or Jay Crowder.
I see him holding onto pick #3 to add to the already young and budding Celtic team.
So, I'd bet the farm that this summer's megadeal won't include the NY Knicks.

Just because the Celtics don't want to deal doesn't mean the Knicks can't deal.

I also disagree - if the Celtics had a chance to get Kevin Love or Blake Griffin, I think they'd engage. Melo wouldn't be going to them - they'd be facilitating the trade to get Blake or Love.

KNICKSBIGCATS wrote:Thoughts from the dark side....

Seems like many here think that the Celtics would actually give up the #3 Brooklyn pick
in some sort of megadeal. Keep dreaming, Danny Ainge, one of the smartest GMs in the business, is not giving that pick up unless he slams someone. He can't slam the Knicks because they have nothing of value except for KP who is not going anywhere.
Just last week, he wouldn't pull the trigger for Kevin Love (who the team has coveted for some time)
but he's patiently waiting to make a major splash this summer with the other two picks from the first round and current players not named Isiah Thomas or Jay Crowder.
I see him holding onto pick #3 to add to the already young and budding Celtic team.
So, I'd bet the farm that this summer's megadeal won't include the NY Knicks.

I get that all the way--I never thought that CA=Boston. But Boston wants to trade and we have a VERY valuable trading piece. Phoenix also has 3 draft picks. My hope is that we can get into discussions on 3-4 teams deals. I wouldnt sit back and say lets keep CA--if its a last resort ok but Id look into it very deeply.

WaltLongmire wrote:

OldFan wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

Golden state drafted very well and got a little lucky. The chance that we are going to turn a 7 into Curry and an 11 in Klay a 34 into Dray - are about a thousand to 1. Not saying you can't build through the draft - but they had a streak of draft picks that is extremely rare.

Also helps when some of the teams ahead of you make bonehead picks.

WOW!!
Longest official thread in ultimateknickforum
..good post topic

However some team making bonehead pick
Ahead of our Knicks??? Really

No nope ain't happening nyk makes those picks
Need a Jerry West type GM or such to ensure
NO bone head picks here allowed,..with all due
Respect bro nailing KP pick.

Can't blame Dolan on that, but
Blame Dolan for not leaving Gm Donnie Walsh
Alone!, NYK be sitting BETTER! Today!!!
Write that in stone., Dolan knows it.

VCoug wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I thinks its best if we can get you into a new situation and then making it publically clear as well.

Because we're going to be a lottery team for 25 more yrs. If we trade you melo, we'll become less of an attraction, and all of the focus can go on 21 yr old kp, we want to start with him and build like minni, philli, the kings, you know teams that haven't made the playoffs since social media was envented.

I don't know what team you've been watching the last few years or how the NBA is developing but we don't need Carmelo. What we need is to get Porzingis stronger without gaining weight and move him to 5 man and build around him. I'm willing to trade Lopez as well and sign Boban M as the primary back up for 1/2 the price. I would really emphasize smart diversified guards gûs who really know how to play are great at ball movementa nd will grow together. I can find cheap secondary 4s and perhaps an undersized but quick 3 rd 5

The focus to me is Galloway Grant and Kp which means I need a LOT of assets and moving Melo and Lopez will bring me both capmspace and assets o need to re develop

You would put a 21 year old second year player that gets pushed around by big's like a little kid and is constantly in foul trouble at the 5? Not to mention that in the Triangle you need a passing big. Does KP lead our front court in assists? And who will he pass it to, the excellent imaginary players you will dream up but we will never be able to acquire? And where does KP like to play on the floor again? Down low? Or top of the three point line? If you really care about his development, you better hope they keep Melo and surround him with a high level guard.

Im willing to lose to win big. You can wear rose colored glasses but the problems we have here go beyond adding "one more player". They go into the disparity of ages between KP and Melo style and pace of play our physical inability to execute as a team--that we are littered with a batch of inconsistent players many of them with low basketball IQ. Adding a "player" would be akin to attempting to repeat getting back to a 45 win team with the possibility of winning a couple of games in the playoffs but with the reality that any success will be short lived because of Carmelo's age. . Id rather fill my new roster with high caliber draft assets that we hand pick(or we dont trade) and free agents who make sense. We have a high value draft pick next year Id love to find another foundational piece that will last us a decade. The truth is we have always tried to circumvent the process and we have always failed and if we stay the course with melo--we will just fail again. I wouldnt trade him for a song and a dance---Id want high caliber assets back. Danny Ainge was smart--he sold Garnett and Pierce at a high and they both went south really quick. Time will stop for no one and since he has NOT been a proven winner here or even close--the value in keeping Carmelo doesnt appeal to me.

Please, go sit with the rest of the youth-now movement in Hinkie's private box at the next Sixers game. How's that draft pick ridden plan working out for the Sixers? You're prepared to tank and tank and tank until what? You're too old to care about the NBA any more?

Phil's managed to tank, get two first rounders, with one possibly All-World type player, and keep only the best player from the previous regime. The cap is expanding, we are in a position to get another top level talent, we have a mixed cast including some quality role players, Melo's play is improving incredibly, but he's now old, so it's time to dump and tank again for the forseeable future. Instead of getting better and making the next step up, we need to tear it all down and start over again.

Got it.

BRIGGS, stick to scouting DIV2 and 3 for some dark horse late 2nd round picks that will suddenly turn us into world beaters in 5 years.

Golden State

2009 pick# 7 Steph Curry
2010 pick # 5 failure
2011 pick # 11 Klay Thompson
2012 pick #7 Harrison Barnes #30 Festus Ezeli #34 Dray Green

done three years later champions and going for 2 with best record in 25 years.
We legitimately have 1 foundational player in tow--we HAVE the ability to do the same in 16 months time.

We have our foundational player, just as GS did with Steph in 2009. GS first playoffs were 2012-13, 3 years into the Steph career. That whole timeline is 6 years from draft to Championship. You willing to wait 3 years of no playoffs and 6 years total?

You are already advocating total teardown (again) after half season.

If Melo can get me Brooklyn's pick and one other--thats all. Ill keep Lopez KP and two young guards. The rest of the team is sketchy anyway?

You forgot to mention a couple of key vets. Who basically won key playoff games for them. Clue...not a draft pick. And as everyone has mentioned, please name the many examples of teams who have been stuck in draft pick limbo. This type of acute example would be like using the Heat and their big three as a model for building a ring. Just not easy for other teams to imitate. Let's just face it, your a hindsite complainer. As well as a composer of crazy scenarios that can never be proven wrong as they will never materialize. Did you have a girlfriend that no one ever saw throughout school? I am sure she was really hot.

Your posts are too stupid to reply to anymore. If you can't see the structural flaws of the Knicks and why it would be in their bests interests to trade melo in a heavy asset laden deal than I can't help you also learn some class don't talk about other peoples girl that you've never met

Lmao. Point was everything you talk about is imaginary. Where is this heavy asset laden deal? Where?

Melo to LAC - Blake Griffin to Boston - Package of picks including Brooklyn's #1 this year to NY. Or, Melo to Cleveland - Kevin Love to Boston - Package of picks including Brooklyn's #1 this year to NY. This has been discussed over and over again.

Discussed by people on forums? Basketball websites? Okay so basically 100% deals that were on the table on we turned down. Because the Celts are willing to give up all their picks with the year they are having and all the deals you mentioned took place. It was all rumors and talks. Some make it sound like it was on the table and Melo vetoed it.