earthmansurfer wrote:Phil blew things big time by letting Shved walk. Was a stupid decision. We know and we witnessed this is a guards league now.
Can't believe if reports are true, that he went with Seraphin (which isn't that a wax?) over Shved (which I've heard means gold in Russian) at the fired coaches bequest. lol

Oh, his Russian Stats:
17 points a game, 48% FG, 37% 3pt, 4 assists, 1.3 steals, 2 TO in 26 minutes.
And I have a feeling given 35 minutes a game here, he wold be scoring about the same.

I'm not sure the talent in the leagues are equal and that a borderline NBA player would have turned this team around. Or that if we would just have brought up Jimmer sooner or signed Wroten or Frazier etc. we'd be playoff bound.

D-League players, Borderline NBA Talent and guys cut by the 76ers - don't turn teams around.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not the system or the coach. It's the players. Tonight we saw a lack of energy and effort from the Knicks on D and good energy and effort from the scrubs of the Nets. That was it plain and simple. Even if you aren't totally smooth offensively you can still create a lot of offense, as the Nets did with defensive hustle. You saw one brief spurt of defensive effort from the Knicks and that isn't enough.

Rambis tried to stretch the rotation because of the back to back and it was brutal. This roster is not full of great talent so they MUST give great effort and the chemistry has to be good. The chemistry gets killed with the deeper rotation and that saps the energy too. I still think they can fix these issues and get right.

KP has to stay on the floor so he has to play smarter on D. STOP JUMPING. Jerian was up and down again. He had some horrid TO's and some good aggressive moves. LT wasn't himself tonight. Gotta hope it was just one of those nights. KOQ and Seraphin are the Grim Reapers for this team. Nothing seems to kill the energy like they do. Melo looks like he's just not right.

its the players,system,and the coach...pretty simple

gunsnewing wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not the system or the coach. It's the players. Tonight we saw a lack of energy and effort from the Knicks on D and good energy and effort from the scrubs of the Nets. That was it plain and simple. Even if you aren't totally smooth offensively you can still create a lot of offense, as the Nets did with defensive hustle. You saw one brief spurt of defensive effort from the Knicks and that isn't enough.

Rambis tried to stretch the rotation because of the back to back and it was brutal. This roster is not full of great talent so they MUST give great effort and the chemistry has to be good. The chemistry gets killed with the deeper rotation and that saps the energy too. I still think they can fix these issues and get right.

KP has to stay on the floor so he has to play smarter on D. STOP JUMPING. Jerian was up and down again. He had some horrid TO's and some good aggressive moves. LT wasn't himself tonight. Gotta hope it was just one of those nights. KOQ and Seraphin are the Grim Reapers for this team. Nothing seems to kill the energy like they do. Melo looks like he's just not right.

KP can't play 48min.

It may not be the system, but the way it is being coached by Phil and his disciples is not working.

I don't have a problem with what Rambis has tried to do so far. The players have to execute much better and part of the problem is the talent they lack the other part is just not playing smart. It's IMO too easy to say it's something wrong with the system. Neither Jose, AA, Gallo or Jerian have been able to really thrive and that is killing the team. It's sad to think that the best guard we saw in this system was Shved. It's not like he's a superstar. He just understood how to play in this system. It takes away a HUGE part of the offense when you don't have that attacking big guard in the Pinch Post action. I thought Jerian would be able to thrive in it but he's too hesitant and he's not confident with his jumper. He has the other physical skills to be able to do well cuz it's very similar to PnR action.

Just remember that the System didn't make RoLo blow bunnies or Jerian miss layups and throw the ball away. System didn't make Melo miss his 2nd half jumpers. We can't win if Melo isn't going to be Melo and everyone else is also playing low energy. It's really about the players not playing well regardless of system. Especially on defense. Knicks have to get up into guys and make them uncomfortable. The effort and energy problem is something they can and should fix!!!

yea its sad that with Shved we were playing better triangle basketball during a 17 win season than we are now

I've been the top guy on here screaming for Shved back but is it Shved we're missing or did Shved just show us what a real PG can do for us?? We need a playmaker at PG which is what Shved was so for me i'd love to not only have Shved back but i'd like him and still another playmaking PG cause Shved is actually a combo guard so just think what him and a B.Jennings or R.Rondo or R.Rubio could do for us. If we had Shved and either one of those three i mentioned along with one more big man that can come in and do the dirty work of rebounding and playing defense (you know the stuff that KOQ and Seraphin don't do) we'd be a totally different team.

earthmansurfer wrote:

OldFan wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Phil blew things big time by letting Shved walk. Was a stupid decision. We know and we witnessed this is a guards league now.
Can't believe if reports are true, that he went with Seraphin (which isn't that a wax?) over Shved (which I've heard means gold in Russian) at the fired coaches bequest. lol

Oh, his Russian Stats:
17 points a game, 48% FG, 37% 3pt, 4 assists, 1.3 steals, 2 TO in 26 minutes.
And I have a feeling given 35 minutes a game here, he wold be scoring about the same.

I'm not sure the talent in the leagues are equal and that a borderline NBA player would have turned this team around. Or that if we would just have brought up Jimmer sooner or signed Wroten or Frazier etc. we'd be playoff bound.

D-League players, Borderline NBA Talent and guys cut by the 76ers - don't turn teams around.

Oh, I'm sure the talent in that league is no where near the NBA, but I remember what that kid did here. I remember clearly seeing how he was comfortable in this offense and was GREAT at taking the ball to the hoop and drawing fouls. He could also shoot ok. Jose can shoot, but can't take the ball to the hooper. Grant the other way around. Shved did both and was agressive. Grant is a pretty good passer but teams back off him with his shooting lack. Shved's shooting was good enough that they didn't but he could take it to the hole time and time again. Really, many of us here were blown away by the blunder of letting him go. It was like Lin in a way but with less production and minus the poison pill . In a league dominated by guards we let our best one walk to sign Seraphin.

That's it in a nutshell. None of our guards have brought a complete enough game to fill the role that Shved filled. I think Phil gambled that Jerian could do it well enough to be close. The struggles of Jerian have been WAY worse than anticipated. He was expected to be ahead of KP in his development and looked the part. Just didn't work out that way. KP has exceeded expectations and Jerian underachieved. It happens. I still think Jerian can develop into a good PG. you can see flashes of his talent. Dude needs a serious summer program to work on his game.

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:If the season goes off the rails (and it looks like it will), I think you will season Melo traded to the Clippers or Cavs this summer.

I just hope Phil also gives up the Triangle or just plain old leaves.

I'd like to bring in Thibs and build a young athletic defensive squad that runs elements of the Triangle.

I'd ratherluke Walton and go get Denzell valentine kay felder and bryn forbes using melo or lopez

no more unknown coaches. Get a known commodity with an impeccable background.

For example, Lenny Wilkins, Larry Brown, or MIke D'Antoni.

franco12 wrote:

Panos wrote:

franco12 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:If the season goes off the rails (and it looks like it will), I think you will season Melo traded to the Clippers or Cavs this summer.

I just hope Phil also gives up the Triangle or just plain old leaves.

I'd like to bring in Thibs and build a young athletic defensive squad that runs elements of the Triangle.

I'd ratherluke Walton and go get Denzell valentine kay felder and bryn forbes using melo or lopez

no more unknown coaches. Get a known commodity with an impeccable background.

For example, Lenny Wilkins, Larry Brown, or MIke D'Antoni.

I'd take D'Antoni in a heartbeat - I think he would do well with some of the players we have, and I suspect our players would understand his system far more than they do of this BS triangle we're trying to run.

The problem with the aforementioned coaches and their tenure here was the FO was a circus, led by Dolan as ring master.

I realize we might not get a real coach without Phil leaving, and the very real possibility of Dolan moving back, center stage, and upending everything all over again.

I like D'Antoni as an offensive coach. But I remember too well how terribly we were defensively. All of his teams are like that.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's not the system or the coach. It's the players. Tonight we saw a lack of energy and effort from the Knicks on D and good energy and effort from the scrubs of the Nets. That was it plain and simple. Even if you aren't totally smooth offensively you can still create a lot of offense, as the Nets did with defensive hustle. You saw one brief spurt of defensive effort from the Knicks and that isn't enough.

Rambis tried to stretch the rotation because of the back to back and it was brutal. This roster is not full of great talent so they MUST give great effort and the chemistry has to be good. The chemistry gets killed with the deeper rotation and that saps the energy too. I still think they can fix these issues and get right.

KP has to stay on the floor so he has to play smarter on D. STOP JUMPING. Jerian was up and down again. He had some horrid TO's and some good aggressive moves. LT wasn't himself tonight. Gotta hope it was just one of those nights. KOQ and Seraphin are the Grim Reapers for this team. Nothing seems to kill the energy like they do. Melo looks like he's just not right.

its the players,system,and the coach...pretty simple

While there are situations where you can assign blame to one party or the other. On this Knicks team it's safe to say we can blame all three.

That being said I just hope this season KP keep developing. All our hopes and dreams lie with him.

nyknickzingis wrote:In the 10 games before Fish got fired, the team averaged I think 96 points a night.
In the 3 games since, the team has averaged 103.

Still a small sample with Rambis, but right away I've seen improvement on offense. Much much better consistency in what they run. The talent is what it is, and we're not going to go out and win like 18 of the next 25 games or anything like that. Our last win was against Phx, a horrible team and tonight was another win against a horrible team. Until we start beating some decent teams I won't say Rambis has made any major difference, but he has definitely helped the offense right away. Less 1 on 1, more Triangle, more consistency in running a system of similar sets vs confusion and too much variance in what offense they run. With Fish we saw Triangle in one game, then the next 3 we saw it in spurts. Right now I'm seeing it consistently being run. Our game plan on offense is consistent. Even the turnovers are due to often looking to pass too much or play too freely. Which is a consequence of the style of play Rambis wants them to have. Also like how much more we use the corners in the offense now.

It's gonna be interesting to see how Jimmer might impact things if he gets a chance the next few games.