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crzymdups
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2/14/2016  3:44 PM
martin wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:No tears for Scalia.

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren would take the job?

For me, she is doing pretty good where she's at.

Yeah, I can see that. I know her stance is pretty much the same - she can do more good there.

It's just frustrating she's locked in a GOP-controlled Senate. But maybe she'll help get the appointment through.

I'd really like to see her run for President someday, but we also need as many strong voices like her in the Senate.

The Dems gotta get their act together so that people like her can be of more influence.

Also, I think she will be President some day, if not VP very soon.

Yeah, I'd love to see her as VP. You think she'd run with only Bernie? Or maybe with Hillary? I think she'd only run with Bernie.

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2/14/2016  3:44 PM
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crzymdups wrote:No tears for Scalia.

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren would take the job?

For me, she is doing pretty good where she's at.

She'd be able to do far more as a judge, IMO.

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2/14/2016  3:47 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2016  3:50 PM
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:No tears for Scalia.

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren would take the job?

For me, she is doing pretty good where she's at.

Yeah, I can see that. I know her stance is pretty much the same - she can do more good there.

It's just frustrating she's locked in a GOP-controlled Senate. But maybe she'll help get the appointment through.

I'd really like to see her run for President someday, but we also need as many strong voices like her in the Senate.

The Dems gotta get their act together so that people like her can be of more influence.

Also, I think she will be President some day, if not VP very soon.

I feel like her talent would be wasted as a VP. It's a good place to end a career (e.g. Biden) or gain a public profile (e.g. George Bush, Richard Nixon) but neither applies to Warren. Plus, we need a leader for the Progressive wing of the party and she certainly seems to be it.

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2/14/2016  3:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2016  3:50 PM
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:No tears for Scalia.

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren would take the job?

For me, she is doing pretty good where she's at.

Yeah, I can see that. I know her stance is pretty much the same - she can do more good there.

It's just frustrating she's locked in a GOP-controlled Senate. But maybe she'll help get the appointment through.

I'd really like to see her run for President someday, but we also need as many strong voices like her in the Senate.

The Dems gotta get their act together so that people like her can be of more influence.

Also, I think she will be President some day, if not VP very soon.

Yeah, I'd love to see her as VP. You think she'd run with only Bernie? Or maybe with Hillary? I think she'd only run with Bernie.

I'd prefer Martin O'Malley for VP. He has the liberal chops but some insider status, which can help to bridge some of the gap between both corners of the party. He also stands to get some better exposure to better position himself for the future of the Democrats

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2/14/2016  4:17 PM
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crzymdups wrote:No tears for Scalia.

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren would take the job?

For me, she is doing pretty good where she's at.

She'd be able to do far more as a judge, IMO.

Why?

How about the opposite. There are plenty of Supreme Court candidates that would do and vote exactly as she would, how many replacements for her in the Senate can you count on if she is not there?

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2/14/2016  4:45 PM
martin wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
martin wrote:
crzymdups wrote:No tears for Scalia.

I wonder if Elizabeth Warren would take the job?

For me, she is doing pretty good where she's at.

She'd be able to do far more as a judge, IMO.

Why?

How about the opposite. There are plenty of Supreme Court candidates that would do and vote exactly as she would, how many replacements for her in the Senate can you count on if she is not there?

Because she's still a politician and has to spend 50% of her time raising money, only to remind the morons on either side of the electorate why she's the best choice to govern. And whatever she champions could get defunded or repealled outright if liberal Democrats don't hold one of the two chambers of Congress.

As a judge, however, she can dedicate her full time to voting the correct way on issues they decide to take up. Even more important, the decisions made there set precedent that extends generations and establishes the framework for future lawmakers to work from.

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2/14/2016  5:01 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
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Bonn1997 wrote:Obama should nominate a moderate Republican like Collins or Snowe from Maine. I think it would be disastrous for Republicans if they weren't even willing to let him appoint one of their Republican colleagues.

That's kind of a dangerous political game but Obama has done **** like that before with Georgia federal judges. Just out of curiosity, what makes Collins and Snowe so moderate? Kennedy and Roberts were suppose to be "moderates" themselves and they gave us Citizens United, so I'm not terribly encouraged by the prospect of Republican SC judges at all.


I say moderate based on the rating systems I've found online. They both tended to be more liberal than the most conservative Democrats are. I think they're both liberal on almost all the social issues. I don't know that they'd actually help to get the money out of politics, but the thought of Ted Cruz making the replacement nomination is scary.
I would have said Colin Powell if he hadn't screwed up with the Iraq war. I might still consider him.

Colin Powell had a law degree? As for the court, this is one arena that I hope Obama actually starts far left on in hopes of getting some that is actually center-left. All too often, he starts negotiations right at the center and leaves with a far-right compromise. He better do the right thing while he still has a shot at a legacy with substance.


You don't have to have a law degree to be an SC Justice.

Is it wise to select someone who isn't (I'm seriously wondering)?


I'm not sure. I want a fairly liberal Republican who is popular with the general public and would be hard for the Senate to oppose. There's not a big list!
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2/14/2016  6:03 PM
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GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

+1


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2/14/2016  6:25 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:Obama should nominate a moderate Republican like Collins or Snowe from Maine. I think it would be disastrous for Republicans if they weren't even willing to let him appoint one of their Republican colleagues.

Saw this...nice nomination in terms of diversity, and he's been acceptable to Republicans so far, and not a controversial jurist according to the article.
Sri Srinivasan

Among those the administration could turn to is Sri Srinivasan, 48, who has served on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit since May 2013. He would be the first Indian-American on the court and has impeccable bipartisan credentials.

The Senate confirmed him on a 97-0 vote three years ago. He was a law clerk to Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, now retired, a 1981 appointee of Republican President Ronald Reagan. At Srinivasan’s confirmation hearing, Texas Republican Senator Ted Cruz, now a presidential candidate, described himself as a long-standing friend dating back to their time together as law clerks in the U.S. appeals court based in Richmond, Virginia.

Cruz said Srinivasan had done a “very fine job” in answering the committee’s questions.

During his nomination to the appeals court, prominent Republicans such as former U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson supported Srinivasan. At his 2013 investiture, leading lights of the legal establishment from both parties praised him. Federal appeals court judge J. Harvie Wilkinson, a Reagan appointee for whom Srinivasan was also a law clerk, called him “lightning smart.

So far on the appeals court, his rulings have not sparked controversy.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/02/indian-american-among-those-obama-could-nominate-to-replace-justice-scalia/

I'm a "liberal," or progressive, but I'd have no issues with a slightly left of center moderate added to the court, assuming that this is what Sri Srinivasan has been as a jurist, and adding a new ethnicity to the court is always a good thing, assuming he/she is qualified.

Don't think I'm going to do a "Case for Sri Srinivasan" thread on UK, but without having done serious research on the guy, I'm hoping that he gets some consideration.

His association/approval with Ted Cruz is a huge red-flag for me and makes me question his character. I understand that this is politics but I think the "birds of a feather" motto is still applicable in this context. I'm all for diversity but not if it's the Indian version of an Uncle Tom like Clearance Thomas.

And really what does this say about our politics when men like Scalia, Thomas and Alito get to be gay-bashing, corporatists and racists yet still get nominated to the court but liberals can't even get a liberal Democrat to even be considered?


He was appointed by Obama, though...and it was to one of the more significant courts in the nation.

Obama is not going to nominate someone like Thomas, who will be feeling pretty lonely on the bench from now on.


His Cruz association was a working one.


Have to be pragmatic at this point.


Heard another report about Sri Srinivasan on NPR, today...similar comments about him being a potential bi-partisan choice.


Liz Warren, however much I would LOVE to see her in nice black robe, is not the kind of nominee who even stands the slightest chance of confirmation...and would be taken as a provocation choice by the Right.

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2/14/2016  6:28 PM
GustavBahler wrote:No tears. Scalia was a corrupt, backward, regressive POS. At least Obama will be submitting candidate, he is more conservative than progressive, but it beats a Trump or Cruz possibly picking the next one.

Not going to shed any tears here either.He stood for everything that's wrong with this country. And he gave us Citizens United

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2/14/2016  6:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2016  6:52 PM
NardDogNation wrote:Side note, once Ruth Bader Ginsburg goes...should Obama get some consideration for the vacancy? I'd like to think that Obama the SCJ, unencumbered by political games and polls might be better than Obama the President, who has been a disappointment to me. At least we can expect him to be liberally inclined on issues that matter (e.g. campaign finance reform....at least as far as any insiderbcould be concerned, climate change, civil rights for all, etc.). Just wondering....

Obama sold us out.Like Gustav pointed out he has done nothing at all to justify being a liberal or progressive. I was excited when he got elected, but his eight years has also set the country back. It would be naive to think SCJs are free of political pressure.

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2/14/2016  8:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/14/2016  8:44 PM
Best idea I've heard, which accomplishes our agenda and allows us to keep our ground in the Congress....
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2/14/2016  8:48 PM
There is also a petition to nominate Larry Lessig to the Supreme Court. If we get 100,000 signatures, the administration has to acknowledge it.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/consider-professor-lawrence-lessig-candidate-fill-supreme-court-seat-left-vacant-late-justice-scalia

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2/15/2016  6:40 AM
"Godfather of getting money out of politics"
That means Republicans will not let him come up for a vote.
They will do everything they can to protect their money.
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