wargames wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I think we will hear about ten different Melo rumors this weekend and before the trade deadline.

I think it is time.

I don't know why, but for some reason the Fisher firing makes it feel like it is time.

Fisher's firing makes the situation in ny seem dysfunctional again. The allegations about messing around with his players' women makes his firing more understandable. But it still feels like another reset. Melo is too good and too old for that. It might be the best thing for all parties. However, I think Melo is very underrated here by some and moving him is a huge risk.

It is a high risk/ high reward deal and a Melo/Lebron tandem if healthy legit has a high chance to win some rings.

On the flip side the Knicks would suck this year, next year (when they have their pick) and probably the year after that but they would have enough picks to be a good young team to build around KP. I keep saying this but the Knicks would probably come away with a lot of picks. Ainge offered a ridiculous amount of picks to move up the draft last year. The Knicks facilitating them getting Love and likely only taking Lee and cap filler would have to equal a bunch of picks.

We would but if we get the Brooklyn pick we have a legit shot at getting Ben Simmons. With how good Golden State is we might want to construct a roster that starts to get good in 3 or 4 seasons.

dacash wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

dacash wrote:what would the knicks get besides picks

Ultimate cap space and hopefully younger, healthier players that can grow together in this system. See the Boston Celtics, Raptors, Wizards, GS, Spurs etc

Few years of sacrifice but the reward is the playoffs

I'd want to part ways with Calderon and get back Avery Bradley in addition to the Nets pick. There are two or three picks that would need to come to the Knicks...if Melo wants this...

so if we get mozgov
and say two or three pick like a first and two second
that would suffice?

With Bradley and less Calderon. I'm probably OK with that.

MS wrote:The free agent class next year isn't all that strong. Durant, Horford and Connelly and that's basically it. I don't like the idea of maxing a guy like Batum, so this deal makes sense.

Getting two good young players in the draft opening up cap room and position yourself for 2017 is the best thing this team can do. Lopez is a very tradable player if we decide we need to put KP at center. So we have some assets to move. I would flip Moz to contender since he will be a free agent and try to get a late round selection.

Melo is playing great ball and still has little to no help who knows how long his body has before it breaks down. That's important, because we don't want a guy making 30MM like Houston or Amare and not being able to play.

Also would be nice to see the guys talents appreciated in the playoffs. He will be an absolute beast in Cleveland and will give Lebron the legs he needs to beat the Warriors.

I don't even think Durant will be available this summer. I think he goes the LeBron route and signs a max 1 year deal with a player option so he can sign another contact in 2017 when the cap explodes again. Plus, that means he and Westbrook both hot free agency at the same time so they can go to another team together if they want.

BRIGGS wrote:Not many people saying keep Melo.

I'm skeptical on this. Even though this makes sense I view Melo as an individual who views his own personal interests over possibly winning a chip. I do not think Dolan will be on board with this either.

I think he realize that signing with a contender is just not a lock to win a ring.

Look at the bulls (had he signed with them), no butler, no noah, rose every other week. Hoston Rockets are a mess, lakers are (as fisher would put it)going through the process, and Dallas has no shot at beating GS with our with or without Melo.

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not many people saying keep Melo.

I'm skeptical on this. Even though this makes sense I view Melo as an individual who views his own personal interests over possibly winning a chip. I do not think Dolan will be on board with this either.

I think he realize that signing with a contender is just not a lock to win a ring.

Look at the bulls (had he signed with them), no butler, no noah, rose every other week. Hoston Rockets are a mess, lakers are (as fisher would put it)going through the process, and Dallas has no shot at beating GS with our with or without Melo.

Going on lbjs team will give him a legit shot-- a very good shot. He has 0 chance with the knicks

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not many people saying keep Melo.

I'm skeptical on this. Even though this makes sense I view Melo as an individual who views his own personal interests over possibly winning a chip. I do not think Dolan will be on board with this either.

I think he realize that signing with a contender is just not a lock to win a ring.

Look at the bulls (had he signed with them), no butler, no noah, rose every other week. Hoston Rockets are a mess, lakers are (as fisher would put it)going through the process, and Dallas has no shot at beating GS with our with or without Melo.

Going on lbjs team will give him a legit shot-- a very good shot. He has 0 chance with the knicks

BS, no one is beating GS in a 7 game series this season, and with KP's rapid development, we a player or 2 short of being a contender..and a coach.

I don't know why so many people think we're a player or two away. We're on pace to win something like 33 games this year. And even if we were that close we have limited ability to even get those players. This summer's free agent class sucks and if we strike out then we have to wait until the next summer, which is the season Melo turns 34.

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not many people saying keep Melo.

I'm skeptical on this. Even though this makes sense I view Melo as an individual who views his own personal interests over possibly winning a chip. I do not think Dolan will be on board with this either.

I think he realize that signing with a contender is just not a lock to win a ring.

Look at the bulls (had he signed with them), no butler, no noah, rose every other week. Hoston Rockets are a mess, lakers are (as fisher would put it)going through the process, and Dallas has no shot at beating GS with our with or without Melo.

Going on lbjs team will give him a legit shot-- a very good shot. He has 0 chance with the knicks

BS, no one is beating GS in a 7 game series this season, and with KP's rapid development, we a player or 2 short of being a contender..and a coach.

knicks1248 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Not many people saying keep Melo.

I'm skeptical on this. Even though this makes sense I view Melo as an individual who views his own personal interests over possibly winning a chip. I do not think Dolan will be on board with this either.

I think he realize that signing with a contender is just not a lock to win a ring.

Look at the bulls (had he signed with them), no butler, no noah, rose every other week. Hoston Rockets are a mess, lakers are (as fisher would put it)going through the process, and Dallas has no shot at beating GS with our with or without Melo.

Going on lbjs team will give him a legit shot-- a very good shot. He has 0 chance with the knicks

BS, no one is beating GS in a 7 game series this season, and with KP's rapid development, we are player or 2 short of being a contender..and a coach.

I don't know why so many people think we're a player or two away. We're on pace to win something like 33 games this year. And even if we were that close we have limited ability to even get those players. This summer's free agent class sucks and if we strike out then we have to wait until the next summer, which is the season Melo turns 34.

It really has more to do with the coach and we go with, and if he can truly maximize that talent he has. Were a much better team than the record indicates. If were not a player or 2 away, then no team in the east is a lock even if they get a guy like melo.

It's not always about talent, it's about FIT

They can play him 30 minutes a night, keep him fresh and he will get them 24pts and he will be so motivating playing with Lebron.

It will take about 5 minutes to convince him when Lebron tells him he will showcase him and the two will go on an international tour this summer sponsored by Nike all over Asia as NBA Champions elevating his brand to heights it will never reach while missing the playoffs every year. Ask KG about all those wasted years in MN.

Of course you need to be worried giving up a top 15 player. Rebuilding takes forever in the NBA, and rarely does it actually work. Don't want KP shouldering the load for too long. But, if we miss the playoffs there is still limited talent for us on the table. Batum makes you better, but he had two all stars, Looez and Wes Matthews and the Blazers weren't contenders.

If you have two great young players and can add one or two good assets this summer. I like our chances of going hard after curry, griffin, Westbrook etc in 2015.

crzymdups wrote:I love Melo. For the first time I think it might be really time to think about moving on without him. It might be better for him, too.

Seems like he is getting closer to the same realization. Sounds like he's thinking after this season, over the summer, not like next week.

But this summer, I bet they talk about a trade with Melo and maybe the Clippers.

I don't see anything happening before this trade deadline with Melo because of the comments he's already made about having to take the time to talk with his family and the team and himself and obviously with him being in Toronto his mind isn't in that area unless something happens after all star weekend.

newyorker4ever wrote:

nixluva wrote:If they came to MELO with this deal he'd be a fool not to take it. It makes all kinds of sense for all involved.

Except for the fact that he'd have to leave New York City for Cleveland.

really, how many rings did LBJ win with his super friends, 2 out of 4. Again, It's a huge risk when you have a injury prone Kyrie as your option 1A, and with a guy like JR who pulls whodini acts in the playoffs, and shumpert who can't shoot..he would be rather stupid to waive his NTC for that deal. I would rather go to boston