gunsnewing wrote:Still think it will be Shaw or Rambis. If This team shows improvement under Rambis and he proves himself as a head coach who can rally his players and command respect he keeps the cosch and you hire Shaw as his top assistant/Tactician/teacher. If not you make Shaw the head coach and Rambis goes back to being top assistant and continue developing KP. I'm not interested in Luke. This teams needs an experienced leader. Luke may be the next Kerr or Phil but this roster will ruin him and I'm sure he knows it.

This asking Thib to learn the triangle thing is a disaster waiting to happen. I thought Thibs would want to work under those conditions. This is a media & fans creation/craze. I can see Thibs coaching Cleveland or LA

BRIGGS wrote:Tom T

Derrick Rose--injured
Joakim Noah--injured
Jimmy Butler--injured

He over uses players. Hed have KP done by 26.

knickscity wrote:Thibbs overuses his better players. I don't see why that wouldn't happen here considering even Phil himself has noted the talent level is underwhelming.

Seems like you expect the talent level to stay the same next season. I would expect another infusion of talent and internal development of our young players. I don't feel this roster will remain underwhelming. For all we know there could be some help added next week. If Rambis does a good job Thibs may never get the chance to overuse any of our players.

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:At this point, phuck the triangle.

Tried it for 2 years with a supposed disciple, and he tried to veer away from it anyways. It's one of the reasons PJax and Fisher didn't see eye to eye, is due to Fisher trying to expand beyond the triangle sets. That and Fisher-man's obvious stick laying on all his players wives and girlfriends.

Thibs is the best coach available right now. That's why he should be the pick. Gets maximum usage and potential out of his players and demands respect. Need an anti-Fisher who's a joke of a person and a coach. Someone who's hard nosed X and O's, and will get up in yo ass if you slack.

Ball is in Phil's court...

2 years? Has it been 2 years? With a set group of guys?

All I know is in the game against Boston where the ref had nearly derailed the Knicks' season, the triangle was a thing of beauty, against a team that is fairly good defensively. And it wasn't just because shots were falling, although that certainly helped. It was because the ball was moving and finding players in position to score in an easy fashion.

Was that luck? Was that things finally clicking? Was that an anomaly?

That started off as a great game and Melo looked like he was over his surgery, had regained his shot and was comfortable in the Dad Melo role. I remember really wanting the knicks to win that game because of how the Celtics play and because the previous game (I think) Crowder had come out and said the triangle made it a lot easier to guard Melo because he knew where he was going to take his shots. Everything was clicking until that injury. It was exactly one month ago.

http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=53359&page=1

yeah, after a long road trip too? I don't recall, have to look that up. I thought that was a tipping point in the right direction... until the ref. Ugh

Rookie wrote:Yes there is Thibs, and then there are Phil's friends or legacies. Who do you think gets the job?

Clearly Rambis is gonna have to really flop in order to lose the job! That's the only way Thibs gets a shot IMO.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:Yes there is Thibs, and then there are Phil's friends or legacies. Who do you think gets the job?

Clearly Rambis is gonna have to really flop in order to lose the job! That's the only way Thibs gets a shot IMO.

i just hope he hires the best coach available instead of someone who just runs the triangle

I'm not sure Phil Looks at this the same way most do. Best Coach Available is kind of unclear. Does that mean best record or best fit for the job? A coach's record is largely roster dependent. Pretty much any good coach is capable of winning with a good roster. Is Thibs a player development guy or more of a win now guy that isn't into dealing with a bunch of raw kids? There's a lot of factors involved in this kind of decision.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Rookie wrote:Yes there is Thibs, and then there are Phil's friends or legacies. Who do you think gets the job?

Clearly Rambis is gonna have to really flop in order to lose the job! That's the only way Thibs gets a shot IMO.

i just hope he hires the best coach available instead of someone who just runs the triangle

I'm not sure Phil Looks at this the same way most do. Best Coach Available is kind of unclear. Does that mean best record or best fit for the job? A coach's record is largely roster dependent. Pretty much any good coach is capable of winning with a good roster. Is Thibs a player development guy or more of a win now guy that isn't into dealing with a bunch of raw kids? There's a lot of factors involved in this kind of decision.

i know that dude. Believe me i know there are many factors involved. But lets face it phils first coaching decision wasnt good. From day 1 i knew fisher needed a few years of seasoning as a assistant coach first before becoming a head coach

Phil's 1st coach was Kerr! Fish with an experienced Rambis n Cleamons should've been ok but Fish didn't really rely on the help he was give. Not to mention his other issues and the roster issues.
It could've worked better if Fish made a few smarter decisions.

As for Thibs he only has a chance if Rambis is awful and even then you have Luke and maybe Shaw. Phil isn't likely to go with the old Best Coach cliche. He's a contrarian to the nth degree. Phil wants a certain degree of harmony and different views as well. Maybe he'll be impressed enough with Thibs when he gets to know him. No way of knowing when it comes to Phil. My best guess is Rambis sticks.

CrushAlot wrote:I don't know if Thibs considers it without Melo. Melo seems to be all in with Kris but his buddies are lobbying for him to make a move and it makes sense. Will see after the deadline.

Interesting point, guess it depends on who fills the vacuum. I believe some of it has to do with coaching the Knicks, Thibs has a history here, but how much remains to be seen.

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The thing about these two tweets - Phil obviously is too proud to talk to Thibs. But if Isola is right and Melo has more juice at MSG (and I think Isola is right), can't Melo demand Thibs get the job?

Just a thought.

Technically MELO is only strong in terms of dictating where he could be traded! The coach thing is different IMO. If MELO demands they sign Thibs what is his threat? That he'll ask for a trade?