newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record

So you'd rather Have B.Shaw or M.Jackson over Thibs.....got it.

You much rather have Fisher over all of the above::)))

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:I don't know why anyone think Thib is a great coach. What the hell has he won? Last I heard is that he overworked his players, and doesn't get along with frog office. I prefer Jackson who happens to have a much better track record

Jackson is Fisher-man part 2 without the "Mister Steal Yo Girl"-ing. All preacher man, no X and O's.

What was his record with the warriors??

Why not look at his situation the last few years then judge as to if you think THIS is the guy you want to replace Fish?

Why not look at your little dots, congratulate your yourself on your anti fish devotional coming to fruition and then look at the big picture of why Mark Jackson would not be a good fit for the Knicks. While you might not get all that is Phil (His shyt does go over most of our heads), its not a stretch of the human condition that guy trying to build a culture is embarrassed that he got hoodwinked and bamboozled by Fish's libido. While I do respect Jax rights to his religion that cannot accept people who cohabitate of the same gender, he bought that into the fray when he commented about Jason Collins. His boss, Mark Welt who is the President is gay. We not talking about Salt Lake City or OKC, we talking San Francisco! Wanna know another liberal city? NY. Public figures have a voice and head coach's represent the company they work for. MSG is a business. In NYC and most places dependent on ratings and selling sponserhips, evangelistic homophobe cheating with strippers head coach's is not a great sell. For some reason that might actually appeal to Dolan in his "Isiahistic" way of thinking, but not Phil.

Don't believe me?

Google "Mark Jackson scandal". Dude had an affair with a stripper who tried to extort him and his wife. Do I care? Nope. Does it speak to his character? It might not define him, but it starts to add up. His and his wife's ministry is in southern California.

http://www.sportsworldnews.com/articles/13038/20140507/mark-jacksons-extra-marital-affair-lack-of-support-for-jason-collins-factors-in-his-firing-video.htm

So why not do yourself a favor and hitch your wagon to another horse. Mark Jax is not going to coach the knicks in the Phil Jax era.

Didn't know about the homophobic taint on MJax. Glad he isn't on this team. Dating a stripper - I have no issues with. He can date whoever he wants ... as long as they want to date him too! Never wanted him as coch anyway.

Try to pawn off Calderon, Afflalo, Derrick Williams, O'Quinn, and Seraphim for whatever we can get this deadline. I'm hoping to pick up at least one 1st and four 2nd. I'm also talking to Memphis about a trade revolving around Robin Lopez since Gasol is out for the rest of the season. Don't know if it would be worth, Memphis doesn't have any interesting young players and they already owe two future 1st to Denver and Boston. It would have to be a multi-team trade to make it worth our while.

This offseason I'm discussing with Melo if he'd be willing to waive his NTC to go to LAC because a big trade like that is probably too difficult to do in-season. Whether we're getting Blake back or moving him on to a 3rd team is fine with me. I'd love to do the much talked about Melo to LAC/Blake to Boston/Brooklyn's 2016 1st to NYK trade.

VCoug wrote:I've made no secret that I want to blow it up and nothing that's happened this season has changed my mind. We're still going nowhere and we still have no obvious path to contention.

The hardest piece for any team to get is franchise player. Outside of Larry Brown's Detroit team, pretty much all finals team had at least 1 player who you would consider one of the best player's in the league. The Knicks just got that player, the potential is there.

The next step is adding to that. My very uninformed plan: Batum this offseason, Westbrook the next. Get lucky with some minor players like LT, Grant, Willy growing like mad at reasonable salaries. Maybe even one of Jordan Bachynski, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Darion Atkins make the roster.

Rolo, KP, Melo, Batum, Westbrook. LT, Gallo, Grant, Willy.

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:I've made no secret that I want to blow it up and nothing that's happened this season has changed my mind. We're still going nowhere and we still have no obvious path to contention.

The hardest piece for any team to get is franchise player. Outside of Larry Brown's Detroit team, pretty much all finals team had at least 1 player who you would consider one of the best player's in the league. The Knicks just got that player, the potential is there.

The next step is adding to that. My very uninformed plan: Batum this offseason, Westbrook the next. Get lucky with some minor players like LT, Grant, Willy growing like mad at reasonable salaries. Maybe even one of Jordan Bachynski, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Darion Atkins make the roster.

Rolo, KP, Melo, Batum, Westbrook. LT, Gallo, Grant, Willy.

knickscity wrote:The Warriors cant truly be used as a guideline, they are the extreme exception, but while their team certainly has been developed, there was a lot of luck involved as well, and the majority of teams that win do have a form of luck in their teams structure and development.

The only point is that they weren't a quick fix and Curry was in his sixth season when they won the title. So the Knicks have time to put things together around KP. The process is already under way. Back when Curry was drafted there was no indication of how great the team would eventually become.

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:I've made no secret that I want to blow it up and nothing that's happened this season has changed my mind. We're still going nowhere and we still have no obvious path to contention.

The hardest piece for any team to get is franchise player. Outside of Larry Brown's Detroit team, pretty much all finals team had at least 1 player who you would consider one of the best player's in the league. The Knicks just got that player, the potential is there.

The next step is adding to that. My very uninformed plan: Batum this offseason, Westbrook the next. Get lucky with some minor players like LT, Grant, Willy growing like mad at reasonable salaries. Maybe even one of Jordan Bachynski, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Darion Atkins make the roster.

Rolo, KP, Melo, Batum, Westbrook. LT, Gallo, Grant, Willy.

Why is Batum coming here next year? We're not particularly good and Melo, who's turning 32 in May, looks like his knee is still bothering him. Everyone's going to have cap space so we won't be able to outspend everyone else. Our coaching situation is a mess. And if we don't sign him who are we signing that convinces Westbrook to come here. Next year's FA class isn't particularly good.

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:I've made no secret that I want to blow it up and nothing that's happened this season has changed my mind. We're still going nowhere and we still have no obvious path to contention.

The hardest piece for any team to get is franchise player. Outside of Larry Brown's Detroit team, pretty much all finals team had at least 1 player who you would consider one of the best player's in the league. The Knicks just got that player, the potential is there.

The next step is adding to that. My very uninformed plan: Batum this offseason, Westbrook the next. Get lucky with some minor players like LT, Grant, Willy growing like mad at reasonable salaries. Maybe even one of Jordan Bachynski, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Darion Atkins make the roster.

Rolo, KP, Melo, Batum, Westbrook. LT, Gallo, Grant, Willy.

Why is Batum coming here next year? We're not particularly good and Melo, who's turning 32 in May, looks like his knee is still bothering him. Everyone's going to have cap space so we won't be able to outspend everyone else. Our coaching situation is a mess. And if we don't sign him who are we signing that convinces Westbrook to come here. Next year's FA class isn't particularly good.

Ny is a great opportunity for him to get noticed a little bit. He's a good player that should be coming into his prime and if he wants anyone other than the knowledgeable nba fan to know who he is, this is a great opportunity.

Knixkik wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:I've made no secret that I want to blow it up and nothing that's happened this season has changed my mind. We're still going nowhere and we still have no obvious path to contention.

The hardest piece for any team to get is franchise player. Outside of Larry Brown's Detroit team, pretty much all finals team had at least 1 player who you would consider one of the best player's in the league. The Knicks just got that player, the potential is there.

The next step is adding to that. My very uninformed plan: Batum this offseason, Westbrook the next. Get lucky with some minor players like LT, Grant, Willy growing like mad at reasonable salaries. Maybe even one of Jordan Bachynski, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Darion Atkins make the roster.

Rolo, KP, Melo, Batum, Westbrook. LT, Gallo, Grant, Willy.

Why is Batum coming here next year? We're not particularly good and Melo, who's turning 32 in May, looks like his knee is still bothering him. Everyone's going to have cap space so we won't be able to outspend everyone else. Our coaching situation is a mess. And if we don't sign him who are we signing that convinces Westbrook to come here. Next year's FA class isn't particularly good.

Ny is a great opportunity for him to get noticed a little bit. He's a good player that should be coming into his prime and if he wants anyone other than the knowledgeable nba fan to know who he is, this is a great opportunity.

You could have said the same thing last year about Greg Monroe and he decided to play in Milwaukee. If he plays a lot of minutes on a good team he'll have plenty of exposure next year.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:The Warriors cant truly be used as a guideline, they are the extreme exception, but while their team certainly has been developed, there was a lot of luck involved as well, and the majority of teams that win do have a form of luck in their teams structure and development.

The only point is that they weren't a quick fix and Curry was in his sixth season when they won the title. So the Knicks have time to put things together around KP. The process is already under way. Back when Curry was drafted there was no indication of how great the team would eventually become.

The only point is that they aren't a blueprint. There are many ways to build a team of legit contention. Pretty much every NBA champ of the last 15-20 years have done it differently.

Please go back and find any inference that anyone was using the Warriors as a Blueprint. The point being made was that it took time for them to build up the roster to the Title team they are. They started with drafting Curry and from that point they drafted well and made smart additions.

The Knicks have drafted KP and other young players and will continue to build up the roster. The process is already underway.

VCoug wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:I've made no secret that I want to blow it up and nothing that's happened this season has changed my mind. We're still going nowhere and we still have no obvious path to contention.

The hardest piece for any team to get is franchise player. Outside of Larry Brown's Detroit team, pretty much all finals team had at least 1 player who you would consider one of the best player's in the league. The Knicks just got that player, the potential is there.

The next step is adding to that. My very uninformed plan: Batum this offseason, Westbrook the next. Get lucky with some minor players like LT, Grant, Willy growing like mad at reasonable salaries. Maybe even one of Jordan Bachynski, Thanasis Antetokounmpo, Darion Atkins make the roster.

Rolo, KP, Melo, Batum, Westbrook. LT, Gallo, Grant, Willy.

Why is Batum coming here next year? We're not particularly good and Melo, who's turning 32 in May, looks like his knee is still bothering him. Everyone's going to have cap space so we won't be able to outspend everyone else. Our coaching situation is a mess. And if we don't sign him who are we signing that convinces Westbrook to come here. Next year's FA class isn't particularly good.

Ny is a great opportunity for him to get noticed a little bit. He's a good player that should be coming into his prime and if he wants anyone other than the knowledgeable nba fan to know who he is, this is a great opportunity.

You could have said the same thing last year about Greg Monroe and he decided to play in Milwaukee. If he plays a lot of minutes on a good team he'll have plenty of exposure next year.

And how's that working out for him? He would be a bigger name in the league if he were playing for the Knicks. Some guys want that and some don't. Not sure if batum wants to stand out a little more or if he's content blending into a team anonymously. We will see.