newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

What talent?
Melo... KP... what else?
Not much more than last year.

Melo was out for half a season last year. Melo (playing his best ball) KP (ROY candidate) Lance Thomas (maybe 6th man of the year or most improved player) DWill who has been great off the bench. Lopez who has been the best low post defender we have had in eons. There is enough talent on this squad to make the playoffs.

KP rookie of the year candidate with not much competition and KAT is gonna win it. DW does absolutely nothing else besides slam the ball and get to the free throw line and even that has been missing from his game when we needed him most like when Melo was out he stunk. We have Melo, KP Rolo and a bunch of bench players that are all inconsistent players and don't show up when needed most. I do think that we could have be a playoff team but also wouldn't surprise me if they don't.

KP is one of the best big men to come out of this draft in a decade, who cares if there wasnt much competition? Williams is instant offense and gets this team to play faster which is what Fisher wants. Thomas and Williams are two good bench players, two of the most improved players this season. Thomas is in the running for 6th man of the year.

For someone who doesnt like any negativity about the team, you're doing a great job of selling them short.

Well there's me who lives in reality and speaks the truth and then there's some others who talk in fiction. Tell me when we needed DW the most what he did for us?? Tell me what else he does good besides dunking the ball and getting to the free throw line?? Which hasn't been seen lately. I love Lance and have been his biggest supporter on this boarde since we got him last year and i didn't say anything about him in my post.

This team does better when they play uptempo, and no one on this team gets them to do that better than Williams. DWill has had some huge games for us this season, cant believe the "realist" in you wants to gloss that over.

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

So you turned his words into him saying he's throwing in the towel. So he's giving up on the season is what you're saying??

Thats what Fisher is saying when he puts winning second to the process. If you arent concerned with making the playoffs, there is a good chance you wont make it.

Do you think he's not concerned with winning every game?? Do you think he's not trying to win every game??

No, too much expirementation late in games this season. Too many games ROLO sat in the 4th for no good reason other than to see what else Fisher could throw out there.

Rolo sat for no good reason hah?? He sat because teams are going small ball and Rolo can't guard these smaller guys they have playing center. So that's not a good reason hah?? Come on now.

newyorker4ever wrote:

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newyorker4ever wrote:

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nyk4ever wrote:this franchise is rebuilding. it's nice to win as many games as possible, but in the end, we have many young pieces that need time and development, which is more important right now. we're not winning a championship this year, so to me player development is much more important.

They aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. KP and Grant are getting their opportunities. Its not about giving the rooks enough playing time, its about what Fisher does with the rest of the roster. Thats why I believe its a cop out to say this before the all star break with a relatively healthy roster.

Developing players is also about developing a winning attitude through adversity. Dont believe Fisher is doing that when he talks about process. No one's growth is being stunted by trying to make the playoffs in this situation. Giving Grant and Porzingis a taste of the playoffs would be great for their development, win or lose.

Answer this. Do the players play hard?? I already know the answer which is yes they do play hard. Tell me a bad coach that has his players playing hard for him every game?? After you joke and say D.Fisher then get serious and tell me one.

Have already covered this ground before. This is his first gig. Fisher has shown the makings of a great assistant coach. A coach who gets them to play hard, stay positive, but that doesnt necessarily make you a great or even good head coach if you dont know how to make the most of what talent you have. I have yet to see that with any consistency.

I'm not saying he's a great coach either but he's also been given average teams to coach and actually last years team was way below average so that probably hurt his growing as a head coach more than it helped him. I am saying that he's doing a decent job with what he's working with. How can you just over look that he doesn't have a starting guard on the team?? I mean it's just crazy that you think he should be great without a starting quality SG or PG. The rest of the team besides Melo, Rolo and KP who's still a rookie making rookie mistakes are just bench players. DW is the same guy he was before he got here. He'll have games where he looks like he turned a corner and then he just disappears which is exactly what he was doing before he got here.

I understand our backcourt problems, I understand this isnt close to a contender, but this team is good enough to get to the playoffs even with our crappy backcourt. When Fisher says the process comes first, its a bit self serving because he is inoculating himself from not making the playoffs in spite of having enough talent to at least go for the 7-8 spot.

I want to hear Fisher saying that they aren't going down without a fight. Thats how you build a winning attitude.

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

So you turned his words into him saying he's throwing in the towel. So he's giving up on the season is what you're saying??

Thats what Fisher is saying when he puts winning second to the process. If you arent concerned with making the playoffs, there is a good chance you wont make it.

Do you think he's not concerned with winning every game?? Do you think he's not trying to win every game??

No, too much expirementation late in games this season. Too many games ROLO sat in the 4th for no good reason other than to see what else Fisher could throw out there.

Rolo sat for no good reason hah?? He sat because teams are going small ball and Rolo can't guard these smaller guys they have playing center. So that's not a good reason hah?? Come on now.

How do you explain KP sitting for the majority of the 4th quarter while Zeller and Olynyk were torching the Knicks on the perimeter and the boards?

Re-inserts KP, our best overall defender and rim protector, when there's only 3 minutes left and it's a 10 point deficit already...how dumb is that???

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ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

So you turned his words into him saying he's throwing in the towel. So he's giving up on the season is what you're saying??

Thats what Fisher is saying when he puts winning second to the process. If you arent concerned with making the playoffs, there is a good chance you wont make it.

Do you think he's not concerned with winning every game?? Do you think he's not trying to win every game??

No, too much expirementation late in games this season. Too many games ROLO sat in the 4th for no good reason other than to see what else Fisher could throw out there.

Rolo sat for no good reason hah?? He sat because teams are going small ball and Rolo can't guard these smaller guys they have playing center. So that's not a good reason hah?? Come on now.

How do you explain KP sitting for the majority of the 4th quarter while Zeller and Olynyk were torching the Knicks on the perimeter and the boards?

Re-inserts KP, our best overall defender and rim protector, when there's only 3 minutes left and it's a 10 point deficit already...how dumb is that???

Good question

Wondered the same thing, I think Cartman pointed it out in the game thread.

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

So you turned his words into him saying he's throwing in the towel. So he's giving up on the season is what you're saying??

Thats what Fisher is saying when he puts winning second to the process. If you arent concerned with making the playoffs, there is a good chance you wont make it.

Do you think he's not concerned with winning every game?? Do you think he's not trying to win every game??

No, too much expirementation late in games this season. Too many games ROLO sat in the 4th for no good reason other than to see what else Fisher could throw out there.

Rolo sat for no good reason hah?? He sat because teams are going small ball and Rolo can't guard these smaller guys they have playing center. So that's not a good reason hah?? Come on now.

No way, dont even try. Lopez was sitting regardless of the lineup. he was sitting when the other team had a big lineup, he was sitting if he was having a great game. The team started winning as soon as Fisher started playing ROLO late in games. He went away from that and we started losing again.

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gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:I could care less about the playoffs this year but I really not crazy about the process.

That's because the real question is are we spending our money wisely? From maxing Melo out, to trading for Calderon to overpaying Lopez(albeit he is somewhat earning it with his play of late Eventhough he is far from a defensive stopper). These moves lead to us acquiring flawed discount rack players like AA, KOQ & Serafin. When we should either held on to our cap flexibility for guys like Conley/Batum/Derozan or acquire 1st round picks to hopefully land a stud guard.

Make no mistake. These moves were made with the intention of making the playoffs. You don't spend all you cap money on stop gaps. Lance Thomas is a stop gap player. He costed us nothing.

Basically we will be looking at a 3rd reset next year and the only guys who are a lock to be here are Melo, KP, Galloway & most likely Lopez. Willie will come on the cheap. Maybe Thanasis improves and the. You better hope those FA's are attracted to our situation. If not I would start trading everyone not named KP for high 1st rd picks before I start spending cap space on more stop gap(in other words garbage players) I don't want to hear for the 4th time that the 2017 free agency will be crucial for this team.

In other words, Fisher is not great and has a lot to learn but this roster is garbage especially at guard. We didn't do enough with our cap space and it pains me to say it but it falls on Phil. But he's Phil so I will continue to support him because I truly believe he will get it right eventually. There is no one else I would trust to start building a Pops/Riley winning culture and front office.

So funny how quick some fans are to turn on everything they were saying good things about when we were playing really good up until Melo stepped on that refs foot. Everyone was loving this team during that stretch but now that you see that we aren't that great of a team people quickly jump ship. Hahahahaha

He ran this group into the ground with his 9 man rotation, so yeah, he wasn't worried about the process, he was worried about winning and getting a playoff spot. Except, there is no way he could sustain the effort with a 9 man rotation so now that we are losing, it's the process that is important? This coach is heading into a collision course with the media. Oh and BTW, I predicted Fisher and the Triangle offense would in the crosshairs of the media by the AS break over the summer, so it's really no surprise to me. Fifty games into the season, there are no more excuses for the coach, system and roster to hide behind. It is going to get ugly because they are going to keep losing going into the break. The rest will help a lot, but the schedule just doesn't get any easier. expect more losses, lots of them

The idea before the season began was that depth was our strength. DW & Lance and Early/Thanasis to an extent would allow us to rest Melo. They would have enough front court depth to bring KP along slowly.

We start the year off horrendously playing all the new guys Phil acquired. Every single active player and losing every game or blowing 4th quarter leads and losing a bunch of winnable games. Then Fisher is heavily criticized by fans and media for playing every single active player on the roster so he shortens the rotation to strict 8-9 guys. It works great for a few weeks. The team finally starting to gell. Next thing you know Melo is playing 40mins on back to back nights. His surgically repaired left knee gives out. Then KP is forced to play heavy minutes as we try to continue our push for the 8th seed. Then he shows signs of being fatigued and hasn't shot well since.

So now Fisher is forced to play bums he doesn't want to play again and we are back to playing like garbage.

So tell me is this all Fisher's fault or does Phil get his share of the blame for spending all our cap space on these bums?

Firing Fisher now accomplishes nothing and set me us further back. The only thing I ask of Fisher is that once Calderon returns he moves Affalo to the bench where he will be most effective at being w black hole as a streaky gunner. Ride him when he is not. Pull him when he is off. Stop relying on him to be your 2nd/3rd scoring option with Melo & KP on the floor. Didn't we learn anything after trying to make JR Smith the next option after Melo? Melo & KP need to play with ball movers. Calderon & Galloway is the best we got. Let's see what they can do from here on out. As far as Grant you simply can't count on him right now. So I don't want to here that Fisher is not giving Grant a chance. He is a mess but what do you expect from a rookie who was picked 19th in the draft? If we are patient with him he might be a gritty defensive backup PG & spot starter in 2yrs. We need a legitimate stud PG/SG before we start firing anyone. Whether it's a trade, FA or next year's draft

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

arkrud wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

What talent?
Melo... KP... what else?
Not much more than last year.

Melo was out for half a season last year. Melo (playing his best ball) KP (ROY candidate) Lance Thomas (maybe 6th man of the year or most improved player) DWill who has been great off the bench. Lopez who has been the best low post defender we have had in eons. There is enough talent on this squad to make the playoffs.

KP rookie of the year candidate with not much competition and KAT is gonna win it. DW does absolutely nothing else besides slam the ball and get to the free throw line and even that has been missing from his game when we needed him most like when Melo was out he stunk. We have Melo, KP Rolo and a bunch of bench players that are all inconsistent players and don't show up when needed most. I do think that we could have be a playoff team but also wouldn't surprise me if they don't.

KP is one of the best big men to come out of this draft in a decade, who cares if there wasnt much competition? Williams is instant offense and gets this team to play faster which is what Fisher wants. Thomas and Williams are two good bench players, two of the most improved players this season. Thomas is in the running for 6th man of the year.

For someone who doesnt like any negativity about the team, you're doing a great job of selling them short.

Well there's me who lives in reality and speaks the truth and then there's some others who talk in fiction. Tell me when we needed DW the most what he did for us?? Tell me what else he does good besides dunking the ball and getting to the free throw line?? Which hasn't been seen lately. I love Lance and have been his biggest supporter on this boarde since we got him last year and i didn't say anything about him in my post.

This team does better when they play uptempo, and no one on this team gets them to do that better than Williams. DWill has had some huge games for us this season, cant believe the "realist" in you wants to gloss that over.

Who's glossing over that?? I said every time that he's had great games but all he does is dunk and get to the line which i love but he can't shoot at all and he can't rebound and he can't play defense so what are you talking about?? I love the showtime dunks he brings and that he gets to the free throw line but he can't even be in to finish games cause he doesn't play defense.

You are when you undersell what his offense has done to keep us in games. Fisher put DWill in the doghouse for a spell this season and the team did a nosedive. They missed the energy he brings, and his scoring, in spite of his suspect defense. The team got its mojo back as soon as Williams was getting regular minutes again.

You're right, he doesnt close out games often. Williams provides much needed scoring when KP and/or Melo are on the bench, and gets his teammates to play more uptempo as well, on a team that doesnt do it nearly enough. DWill is just one piece, but a good one to have.

newyorker4ever wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:There is enough talent to make the playoffs IMO. Since we dont have a first round pick, and we aren't that far off of the 8th spot, it sounds defeatist to already be throwing in the towel on making the playoffs.

Ive seen too many games where it looked like Fisher was more concerned about process than winning games. If you aren't putting your team in the best position to win night in and night out then the process needs reevaluation. If Fisher wants to build a winning atmosphere around KP, Fisher should talk less about process, and more about making the playoffs.

So you turned his words into him saying he's throwing in the towel. So he's giving up on the season is what you're saying??

Thats what Fisher is saying when he puts winning second to the process. If you arent concerned with making the playoffs, there is a good chance you wont make it.

Do you think he's not concerned with winning every game?? Do you think he's not trying to win every game??

No, too much expirementation late in games this season. Too many games ROLO sat in the 4th for no good reason other than to see what else Fisher could throw out there.

Rolo sat for no good reason hah?? He sat because teams are going small ball and Rolo can't guard these smaller guys they have playing center. So that's not a good reason hah?? Come on now.

How do you explain KP sitting for the majority of the 4th quarter while Zeller and Olynyk were torching the Knicks on the perimeter and the boards?

Re-inserts KP, our best overall defender and rim protector, when there's only 3 minutes left and it's a 10 point deficit already...how dumb is that???

Did you watch the game?? KP was playing horrible last night and has been playing bad lately to what we know he can do and he looks way tired out there. Do you guys even watch the postgame show cause Fisher explains his reasons for why he does stuff and his reasoning for sitting KP was legit.

I believe that KP had our best +/- for the night.