Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Something odd is going on with his legs. He's having problems dribbling. He's having trouble doing things he's supposed to be good at. He's very weak and wobbly. I don't like his posture.

The Knicks are really in trouble at guard. I know we all want Grant to succeed, but it's more than simply playing him more or running special plays for him. He's just not playing well. He's 24 years old too so that's a little scary.

I just think his Playing time in soo inconsistent and that turns into inconsistent play.

Never knows, when he's going to play, if he's going to play, will he be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th man off the bench, will he get 10, 14, 20 minutes. I know the saying ALWAYS BE READY, but what if someone came to pick you up from work every single day at a different time, and just told you to be ready, and some days they don't even show up..

You seriously need to stop finding things that players are doing bad and turning them into being the fault of Fisher. I know you don't like Fisher and you've made that very clear but it's like you put a blindfold on to certain things and only look at everything as being the fault of Fisher because you don't want him as our head coach. I know i get on a certain few of you about the hate you have towards Fisher and Calderon but if you really take everything into account you'll see that everything that you blame on Fisher really isn't always Fisher's fault. I think people take my defending of Fisher wrong because we get into it so much about him but i don't think he's some great coach but i absolutely think he gets blamed for much more than what is truly his fault and don't think he's as bad as some make him out to be. He has these guys playing hard and that's a big thing for a coach to be able to do especially when that coach is dealing with as much as he's dealing with. I think the Fisher haters should just start dealing with the fact that as of right now he's our head coach and he's not going anywhere. I think next year will be the year that he's gonna need to really show he can coach this team cause i think Phil is gonna have this team much closer to the type of team he wants next year and it will be on Fisher to take them to the playoffs and hopefully make a run in those playoffs.

agree 100%. Extremely well said!

Fisher deserves credit for a lot of positive things this year. They have played hard pretty much every game. You also have to give him credit for a significant upgrade in team defense. We don't have any player that's a candidate for defensive player of the year, yet the team plays good D and unarguably much better than last year. Even if he's not the long-term answer, the team and culture will benefit from those contributions.

I have been a frequent critic of Fisher but I actually believe he's a good -- maybe a very good -- coach. My big concern with him is whether he will be a great coach. Will he be Mark Jackson or Steve Kerr?

He has his faults but the criticisms can get blown out of proportion and he gets blamed for far too much. Last night was a perfect example. He got pilloried for making a big sub package when they closed the gap to 1. If you look at the game thread, I actually posted at that moment it was a critical time. It was absolutely a damned if you or if you don't moment. If he didn't make the subs and the new Raptors ran our guys off the court, he would have been criticized severely. What it came down to in that moment was the players. The subs needed to match the intensity and at least hold the fort and they didn't. Sh!t happens. I don't think it was a bad call on Fisher's part. Sasha lights it up for once in a long time and there's not a single comment about whether Fish had some guts in playing him. For all we know, he's been hitting his shots in practice and Fish has been waiting for it to translate into the game. Regardless if you're going to rail on him for making subs, you should at least give him credit when one of the subs contributed.

the knicks ran into a hot team (10 game streak), down 3 starters and their 2 best players on the road. I'm not a moral victory guy, but all of this bitching and complaining is tedious. it's as if people expect the team to win every game 100-0

Yeah it's just that the people that do hate on Fisher have already convinced themselves that he'll never be a good head coach so no matter what he does or what move he makes they'll always find a way to turn it into something bad and i just wish they would slow down and really take everything into account for what his reasons could be for a move that he makes or a substitution that he makes but for some reason they can't seem to do that. Fisher has made a lot of bad choices but he's made a lot of good choices as well but they always find a way to make his good choices look bad.

agree. it's a matter of degree. pretty amazing that team went from 17 wins to decent and has challenged and beaten some of the best teams in the league and some posters act as if the next smart decision by Fisher will be his first. too much hate. no credibility

Let me make this perfectly clear..I like FIsher, hes a good dude, and brings a lot of positives to the team. Please dont sit there and act like his rotations make any sense at times. A player that gets inconsistent minutes is going to result in consistent play, do you have your head in a sand box.

When fisher narrowed down the rotation to 9, he said he had to do it to keep guys in rhythm so they know when and where they would play, he s not doing that with grant. Ill never forget a few wks ago when he was ask why he didnt play grant and said i just wantrd to give sasha some minutes so he wouldnt be rusty. Is that the habits of a really good coach, well i never heard a coach resort to playing lesser talent for the sake of it.

Last night we're on 9-0 fckng run, and Toronto calls a timeout because the line up they had out there wasnt getting it done, so what does fisher do, he adjust to there rotation by bring players who where sucking all night like seraphin, admunson, when casey was actually trying to find a spark, and he didnt have to go 12 deep to find that spark.

WE PLAYED 12 GUYS IN THE 3RD QTR BY THE 4 MIN MARK WITH NO ONE IN FOUL TROUBLE..WHO THE FCK DOES THAT

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Something odd is going on with his legs. He's having problems dribbling. He's having trouble doing things he's supposed to be good at. He's very weak and wobbly. I don't like his posture.

The Knicks are really in trouble at guard. I know we all want Grant to succeed, but it's more than simply playing him more or running special plays for him. He's just not playing well. He's 24 years old too so that's a little scary.

I just think his Playing time in soo inconsistent and that turns into inconsistent play.

Never knows, when he's going to play, if he's going to play, will he be the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th man off the bench, will he get 10, 14, 20 minutes. I know the saying ALWAYS BE READY, but what if someone came to pick you up from work every single day at a different time, and just told you to be ready, and some days they don't even show up..

You seriously need to stop finding things that players are doing bad and turning them into being the fault of Fisher. I know you don't like Fisher and you've made that very clear but it's like you put a blindfold on to certain things and only look at everything as being the fault of Fisher because you don't want him as our head coach. I know i get on a certain few of you about the hate you have towards Fisher and Calderon but if you really take everything into account you'll see that everything that you blame on Fisher really isn't always Fisher's fault. I think people take my defending of Fisher wrong because we get into it so much about him but i don't think he's some great coach but i absolutely think he gets blamed for much more than what is truly his fault and don't think he's as bad as some make him out to be. He has these guys playing hard and that's a big thing for a coach to be able to do especially when that coach is dealing with as much as he's dealing with. I think the Fisher haters should just start dealing with the fact that as of right now he's our head coach and he's not going anywhere. I think next year will be the year that he's gonna need to really show he can coach this team cause i think Phil is gonna have this team much closer to the type of team he wants next year and it will be on Fisher to take them to the playoffs and hopefully make a run in those playoffs.

agree 100%. Extremely well said!

Fisher deserves credit for a lot of positive things this year. They have played hard pretty much every game. You also have to give him credit for a significant upgrade in team defense. We don't have any player that's a candidate for defensive player of the year, yet the team plays good D and unarguably much better than last year. Even if he's not the long-term answer, the team and culture will benefit from those contributions.

I have been a frequent critic of Fisher but I actually believe he's a good -- maybe a very good -- coach. My big concern with him is whether he will be a great coach. Will he be Mark Jackson or Steve Kerr?

He has his faults but the criticisms can get blown out of proportion and he gets blamed for far too much. Last night was a perfect example. He got pilloried for making a big sub package when they closed the gap to 1. If you look at the game thread, I actually posted at that moment it was a critical time. It was absolutely a damned if you or if you don't moment. If he didn't make the subs and the new Raptors ran our guys off the court, he would have been criticized severely. What it came down to in that moment was the players. The subs needed to match the intensity and at least hold the fort and they didn't. Sh!t happens. I don't think it was a bad call on Fisher's part. Sasha lights it up for once in a long time and there's not a single comment about whether Fish had some guts in playing him. For all we know, he's been hitting his shots in practice and Fish has been waiting for it to translate into the game. Regardless if you're going to rail on him for making subs, you should at least give him credit when one of the subs contributed.

the knicks ran into a hot team (10 game streak), down 3 starters and their 2 best players on the road. I'm not a moral victory guy, but all of this bitching and complaining is tedious. it's as if people expect the team to win every game 100-0

Yeah it's just that the people that do hate on Fisher have already convinced themselves that he'll never be a good head coach so no matter what he does or what move he makes they'll always find a way to turn it into something bad and i just wish they would slow down and really take everything into account for what his reasons could be for a move that he makes or a substitution that he makes but for some reason they can't seem to do that. Fisher has made a lot of bad choices but he's made a lot of good choices as well but they always find a way to make his good choices look bad.

agree. it's a matter of degree. pretty amazing that team went from 17 wins to decent and has challenged and beaten some of the best teams in the league and some posters act as if the next smart decision by Fisher will be his first. too much hate. no credibility

Let me make this perfectly clear..I like FIsher, hes a good dude, and brings a lot of positives to the team. Please dont sit there and act like his rotations make any sense at times. A player that gets inconsistent minutes is going to result in consistent play, do you have your head in a sand box.

When fisher narrowed down the rotation to 9, he said he had to do it to keep guys in rhythm so they know when and where they would play, he s not doing that with grant. Ill never forget a few wks ago when he was ask why he didnt play grant and said i just wantrd to give sasha some minutes so he wouldnt be rusty. Is that the habits of a really good coach, well i never heard a coach resort to playing lesser talent for the sake of it.

Last night we're on 9-0 fckng run, and Toronto calls a timeout because the line up they had out there wasnt getting it done, so what does fisher do, he adjust to there rotation by bring players who where sucking all night like seraphin, admunson, when casey was actually trying to find a spark, and he didnt have to go 12 deep to find that spark.

WE PLAYED 12 GUYS IN THE 3RD QTR BY THE 4 MIN MARK WITH NO ONE IN FOUL TROUBLE..WHO THE FCK DOES THAT

I understand ur frustration my brother

They always make it seem like me and you hate fisher, and they seemed to miss the botch rotations that fisher even admits to sometiems.

I give him credit all the time when he makes a smart move, but I couldn't care who was coaching, you sabotage the rotation for personal reason, that doesnt make you a very good coach, and we all know his ties to sasha, and love affair with admunson.

Chandler wrote:like i said. it's a matter of degree. Fisher is far from perfect and I have expressed many criticisms on certain things. I think a few posters go way too far and level too much criticism for a certain act, or criticisms for certain things where he actually did the right thing

as is said he was in a damned if you do or if you don't moment. If he kept the same guys out there -- when as you say Casey was looking for a spark -- and those same guys got toasted there would be a mountain of bitching about the stupid coach who left in tired legs to run with fresh (not to mention young) legs. At that moment he made the right decision. The subbed-in players didn't come through and hold the fort

and look at the game in a broader perspective. they shot 50% from the stripe and got out-rebounded. Did you go into that game down 3 starters and your 2 best players on the road to a top team on a hot streak and think you could win if you simply hit your free throws and if the guards followed a few of their missed shots. He must have done something right. What was it and where was that credited? He subbed in Sasha who hit a lot of shots -- so was that part of the stupid subbing or a gutsy move.

Again, Fisher has certainly flubbed things but people go way overboard

so please tell us what were his smart moves last night and let us know where you gave him credit. I missed it

To be honest, I think Rambis is responsible for the rotation, i say this because when he was in MINI as their head coach he would play every single player every single night.

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:like i said. it's a matter of degree. Fisher is far from perfect and I have expressed many criticisms on certain things. I think a few posters go way too far and level too much criticism for a certain act, or criticisms for certain things where he actually did the right thing

as is said he was in a damned if you do or if you don't moment. If he kept the same guys out there -- when as you say Casey was looking for a spark -- and those same guys got toasted there would be a mountain of bitching about the stupid coach who left in tired legs to run with fresh (not to mention young) legs. At that moment he made the right decision. The subbed-in players didn't come through and hold the fort

and look at the game in a broader perspective. they shot 50% from the stripe and got out-rebounded. Did you go into that game down 3 starters and your 2 best players on the road to a top team on a hot streak and think you could win if you simply hit your free throws and if the guards followed a few of their missed shots. He must have done something right. What was it and where was that credited? He subbed in Sasha who hit a lot of shots -- so was that part of the stupid subbing or a gutsy move.

Again, Fisher has certainly flubbed things but people go way overboard

so please tell us what were his smart moves last night and let us know where you gave him credit. I missed it

To be honest, I think Rambis is responsible for the rotation, i say this because when he was in MINI as their head coach he would play every single player every single night.

How many games did he win in Minny???

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:like i said. it's a matter of degree. Fisher is far from perfect and I have expressed many criticisms on certain things. I think a few posters go way too far and level too much criticism for a certain act, or criticisms for certain things where he actually did the right thing

as is said he was in a damned if you do or if you don't moment. If he kept the same guys out there -- when as you say Casey was looking for a spark -- and those same guys got toasted there would be a mountain of bitching about the stupid coach who left in tired legs to run with fresh (not to mention young) legs. At that moment he made the right decision. The subbed-in players didn't come through and hold the fort

and look at the game in a broader perspective. they shot 50% from the stripe and got out-rebounded. Did you go into that game down 3 starters and your 2 best players on the road to a top team on a hot streak and think you could win if you simply hit your free throws and if the guards followed a few of their missed shots. He must have done something right. What was it and where was that credited? He subbed in Sasha who hit a lot of shots -- so was that part of the stupid subbing or a gutsy move.

Again, Fisher has certainly flubbed things but people go way overboard

so please tell us what were his smart moves last night and let us know where you gave him credit. I missed it

To be honest, I think Rambis is responsible for the rotation, i say this because when he was in MINI as their head coach he would play every single player every single night.

How many games did he win in Minny???

Ironically 17 wins his last season

Sounds familiar

Lmfao....I think fisher and the Knicks can benefit to have a more credible as his top coach. As an example, a guy like thibodeaux who won many games around the league can help greatly.

CrushAlot wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:like i said. it's a matter of degree. Fisher is far from perfect and I have expressed many criticisms on certain things. I think a few posters go way too far and level too much criticism for a certain act, or criticisms for certain things where he actually did the right thing

as is said he was in a damned if you do or if you don't moment. If he kept the same guys out there -- when as you say Casey was looking for a spark -- and those same guys got toasted there would be a mountain of bitching about the stupid coach who left in tired legs to run with fresh (not to mention young) legs. At that moment he made the right decision. The subbed-in players didn't come through and hold the fort

and look at the game in a broader perspective. they shot 50% from the stripe and got out-rebounded. Did you go into that game down 3 starters and your 2 best players on the road to a top team on a hot streak and think you could win if you simply hit your free throws and if the guards followed a few of their missed shots. He must have done something right. What was it and where was that credited? He subbed in Sasha who hit a lot of shots -- so was that part of the stupid subbing or a gutsy move.

Again, Fisher has certainly flubbed things but people go way overboard

so please tell us what were his smart moves last night and let us know where you gave him credit. I missed it

To be honest, I think Rambis is responsible for the rotation, i say this because when he was in MINI as their head coach he would play every single player every single night.

How many games did he win in Minny???

Ironically 17 wins his last season

Sounds familiar

Lmfao....I think fisher and the Knicks can benefit to have a more credible as his top coach. As an example, a guy like thibodeaux who won many games around the league can help greatly.

I don't remember Rambis's situation in Minny that well but I doubt that he had a front office that was all in on the triangle. Woodson with Mills didn't work but Woodson/Grunfeld was very successful. Dantoni/Grunfeld was never going to work.

that situation with Rambis in Minny was a mess and embarrassing to say the least, they let him linger when the season was over knowing his days were numbered. You don't remember the Johnny Flynn disaster