Seraphim, oquinn and calderone (even though he is a leader) are all I would part with. I'd like to go all in on summer FA.

We are a 45 win team as presently constructed. Grant and dwill can only get better. And if they ball, we bring in another body in the summer.

So seraphin and calderone or shove it.

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Rookie wrote:

callmened wrote:we have nothing good to offer

I think the Hawks really miss Carroll. They would be interested in Thomas and DWill. The question is, are we interested in sending our 2 most productive role players for a starting PG with Teague's skill set.

I don't think we would, but to answer your point, I think we do have something good to offer if we wanted to.

Derrick Williams is the guy the Hawks could use right now. Deal would have to be structured around Derrick and Teague.

If we trade Derrick we can't trade Thomas in the same trade. We just can't.

I think Derrick Williams and Calderón for Teague and maybe Mike Scott gets it done.

Teague would make the Knicks a playoff team.

I disagree. They are a space and pace team offensively and can switch everything defensively. While Derrick is talented, he's not a good shooter or particularly good on switches. Besides, they already have Mike Scott who has a very similar skillset but is a deft shooter.

What the Hawks do need is a starting swingman that can shoot and cover his own position, which Williams has yet to consistently demonstrate. IMO Calderon, Afflalo and picks gets the deal done for Teague. That type of move allows them to get a backup PG (Calderon) to replace the outgoing Teague and Afflalo helps them replace what they lost in DeMarre Carroll, while the picks allow them to compensate for the loss of value from a talent perspective. Getting the picks and the nature of those picks would be the problem though. We'd need to include multiple teams to facilitate that end of the deal.

Carroll played like D Will for them. Slash, Drive to get the And 1, rebound and lead the transition, and shoot the open 3.

AA is mostly posting and shooting the mid range off of passes. That isn't what the Hawks need. They need someone to come in and do what D Will has been doing with their starters. Also based on PER DWill is playing better lately than Teague is.

Carroll posted a TS% of 58% and 60% over a 143 game sample for the Hawks. Derrick Williams posted a TS% of 55% for us over 46 games, which also represents a career high. There just isn't much of a comparison between the two players when it comes to their shooting/offensive proficiency, especially when you consider just how limited a sample you're working with Derrick Williams. Aaron Afflalo, however, has had seasons as an elite shooter with the Magic and a stint with Denver. He is far more likely of recreating some of the Magic that Carroll brought them last season.

Bringing up TS% sample (which as of right now is very close) ignores the fact he provides the same skills to their offense that they have been missing since Carroll left. Even to the eye test you can see the similarities to the offensive games of D-Will and Carroll. That is why I posted both their highlight video.

Also the fact D-Will is younger and will be cheaper long term than Carroll in FA (probably around the 10-12 range) makes a lot of sense for the Hawks because they will want to sign Bazemore to about the same as well as keep Horford.

For the knicks the best case scenario is for all their FA to not opt out (D-Will would be a fool not to he is underpaid right now at 5 mil a year) and they can go after another piece with their 19 million. Also D-Will is playing so well for the knicks because their bench runs a mini hawk offense. If the knicks continue to push the triangle then D-Will will begin to struggle more and more.

A Calderon + D-Will trade for Teague could help both teams right now a lot.

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Rookie wrote:

callmened wrote:we have nothing good to offer

I think the Hawks really miss Carroll. They would be interested in Thomas and DWill. The question is, are we interested in sending our 2 most productive role players for a starting PG with Teague's skill set.

I don't think we would, but to answer your point, I think we do have something good to offer if we wanted to.

Derrick Williams is the guy the Hawks could use right now. Deal would have to be structured around Derrick and Teague.

If we trade Derrick we can't trade Thomas in the same trade. We just can't.

I think Derrick Williams and Calderón for Teague and maybe Mike Scott gets it done.

Teague would make the Knicks a playoff team.

I disagree. They are a space and pace team offensively and can switch everything defensively. While Derrick is talented, he's not a good shooter or particularly good on switches. Besides, they already have Mike Scott who has a very similar skillset but is a deft shooter.

What the Hawks do need is a starting swingman that can shoot and cover his own position, which Williams has yet to consistently demonstrate. IMO Calderon, Afflalo and picks gets the deal done for Teague. That type of move allows them to get a backup PG (Calderon) to replace the outgoing Teague and Afflalo helps them replace what they lost in DeMarre Carroll, while the picks allow them to compensate for the loss of value from a talent perspective. Getting the picks and the nature of those picks would be the problem though. We'd need to include multiple teams to facilitate that end of the deal.

Carroll played like D Will for them. Slash, Drive to get the And 1, rebound and lead the transition, and shoot the open 3.

AA is mostly posting and shooting the mid range off of passes. That isn't what the Hawks need. They need someone to come in and do what D Will has been doing with their starters. Also based on PER DWill is playing better lately than Teague is.

Carroll posted a TS% of 58% and 60% over a 143 game sample for the Hawks. Derrick Williams posted a TS% of 55% for us over 46 games, which also represents a career high. There just isn't much of a comparison between the two players when it comes to their shooting/offensive proficiency, especially when you consider just how limited a sample you're working with Derrick Williams. Aaron Afflalo, however, has had seasons as an elite shooter with the Magic and a stint with Denver. He is far more likely of recreating some of the Magic that Carroll brought them last season.

Bringing up TS% sample (which as of right now is very close) ignores the fact he provides the same skills to their offense that they have been missing since Carroll left. Even to the eye test you can see the similarities to the offensive games of D-Will and Carroll. That is why I posted both their highlight video.

Also the fact D-Will is younger and will be cheaper long term than Carroll in FA (probably around the 10-12 range) makes a lot of sense for the Hawks because they will want to sign Bazemore to about the same as well as keep Horford.

For the knicks the best case scenario is for all their FA to not opt out (D-Will would be a fool not to he is underpaid right now at 5 mil a year) and they can go after another piece with their 19 million. Also D-Will is playing so well for the knicks because their bench runs a mini hawk offense. If the knicks continue to push the triangle then D-Will will begin to struggle more and more.

A Calderon + D-Will trade for Teague could help both teams right now a lot.

No way. Unless Shroder is also included then ATL can take a hike.

nixluva wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Id like to keep dwill and grant. To be honest. Unless they are taking back calderone, I would pass. Teague doesn't put us over the top and sending calderone to the bench would kill team chemistry and morale. I don't know much about Teague though. But grant and Galloway are two way players I'd prefer to take a chance on.

Seraphim, oquinn and calderone (even though he is a leader) are all I would part with. I'd like to go all in on summer FA.

We are a 45 win team as presently constructed. Grant and dwill can only get better. And if they ball, we bring in another body in the summer.

So seraphin and calderone or shove it.

I think you underestimate the impact that Teague could have on our team. I'm not saying he's God's gift to PG's but he's SOOOOOOO much better than any of the guards we have that it's not even funny.

Points Per 48 Minutes Leaders - Qualified Point Guards
RK	PLAYER	                TEAM	GP	MPG	PTS	FGM-FGA	         FG%	3PM-3PA	   3P%	FTM-FTA	   FT%
1	Stephen Curry, PG	GS	43	33.8	43.0	14.2-27.7	.513	6.9-15.   .456	7.6-8.4	  .913
2	Russell Westbrook, PG	OKC	47	34.1	33.9	12.0-26.4	.455	1.6-5.7	  .281	8.2-10.2  .811
3	Damian Lillard, PG	POR	40	36.1	32.4	11.1-26.4	.421	4.0-10.7  .376	6.1-7.0	  .872
4	Isaiah Thomas, PG	BOS	46	32.4	32.2	10.4-24.5	.425	3.0-8.7	  .348	8.4-9.4	  .893
5	Reggie Jackson, PG	DET	45	31.0	29.7	11.1-25.2	.439	2.2-6.3	  .350	5.4-6.4	  .839
6	Chris Paul, PG	        LAC	40	32.4	27.8	10.0-21.9	.456	2.3-5.8	  .395	5.5-6.3	  .882
7	Kyle Lowry, PG	        TOR	45	36.5	27.5	8.7-20.6	.424	3.7-9.4	  .388	6.4-7.3	  .884
8	Kemba Walker, PG	CHA	45	36.1	27.4	9.4-22.1	.425	2.4-6.6	  .364	6.1-7.1	  .863
9	Jrue Holiday, PG	NO	38	25.3	26.5	9.9-22.1	.448	2.3-6.0	  .380	4.4-5.6	  .786
10	John Wall, PG	        WSH	43	35.7	26.4	9.9-23.1	.429	1.9-5.6	  .343	4.7-6.0	  .781
RK	PLAYER	                TEAM	GP	MPG	PTS	FGM-FGA	         FG%	3PM-3PA	   3P%	FTM-FTA	   FT%
11	Brandon Knight, PG	PHX	42	36.3	26.1	9.7-22.9	.424	2.7-8.2	  .333	3.8-4.5	  .847
12	Zach LaVine, PG	        MIN	46	23.2	24.9	9.3-22.2	.418	2.0-6.0	  .328	4.4-5.3	  .838
13	Dennis Schroder, PG	ATL	44	21.5	24.4	9.2-22.0	.418	2.3-7.2	  .326	3.6-4.5	  .798
14	Jeff Teague, PG	        ATL	43	28.3	24.2	8.3-20.2	.413	1.8-4.8	  .377	5.7-6.8	  .843
15	Trey Burke, PG	        UTAH	44	24.6	24.1	9.5-22.1	.429	2.9-8.3	  .349	2.3-2.9	  .785
16	Gary Neal, PG	        WSH	35	21.1	23.3	8.9-19.3	.463	2.5-5.9	  .418	3.0-3.5	  .868
17	Aaron Brooks, PG	CHI	34	16.3	23.0	8.6-20.8	.417	3.3-8.7	  .376	2.4-2.9	  .824
18	Derrick Rose, PG	CHI	38	32.1	22.9	9.4-23.2	.406	0.9-3.4	  .264	3.2-4.0	  .792
19	Ramon Sessions, PG	WSH	43	21.2	22.8	7.5-15.9	.472	1.0-3.2	  .317	6.8-8.8	  .772
20	Mike Conley, PG	        MEM	40	31.7	22.6	7.7-19.2	.403	2.2-6.0	  .358	5.0-5.9	  .847

Besides, can you say that Jeff Teague has looked better than DWill this season? I can't.

TPercy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Id like to keep dwill and grant. To be honest. Unless they are taking back calderone, I would pass. Teague doesn't put us over the top and sending calderone to the bench would kill team chemistry and morale. I don't know much about Teague though. But grant and Galloway are two way players I'd prefer to take a chance on.

Seraphim, oquinn and calderone (even though he is a leader) are all I would part with. I'd like to go all in on summer FA.

We are a 45 win team as presently constructed. Grant and dwill can only get better. And if they ball, we bring in another body in the summer.

So seraphin and calderone or shove it.

I think you underestimate the impact that Teague could have on our team. I'm not saying he's God's gift to PG's but he's SOOOOOOO much better than any of the guards we have that it's not even funny.

Points Per 48 Minutes Leaders - Qualified Point Guards
RK	PLAYER	                TEAM	GP	MPG	PTS	FGM-FGA	         FG%	3PM-3PA	   3P%	FTM-FTA	   FT%
1	Stephen Curry, PG	GS	43	33.8	43.0	14.2-27.7	.513	6.9-15.   .456	7.6-8.4	  .913
2	Russell Westbrook, PG	OKC	47	34.1	33.9	12.0-26.4	.455	1.6-5.7	  .281	8.2-10.2  .811
3	Damian Lillard, PG	POR	40	36.1	32.4	11.1-26.4	.421	4.0-10.7  .376	6.1-7.0	  .872
4	Isaiah Thomas, PG	BOS	46	32.4	32.2	10.4-24.5	.425	3.0-8.7	  .348	8.4-9.4	  .893
5	Reggie Jackson, PG	DET	45	31.0	29.7	11.1-25.2	.439	2.2-6.3	  .350	5.4-6.4	  .839
6	Chris Paul, PG	        LAC	40	32.4	27.8	10.0-21.9	.456	2.3-5.8	  .395	5.5-6.3	  .882
7	Kyle Lowry, PG	        TOR	45	36.5	27.5	8.7-20.6	.424	3.7-9.4	  .388	6.4-7.3	  .884
8	Kemba Walker, PG	CHA	45	36.1	27.4	9.4-22.1	.425	2.4-6.6	  .364	6.1-7.1	  .863
9	Jrue Holiday, PG	NO	38	25.3	26.5	9.9-22.1	.448	2.3-6.0	  .380	4.4-5.6	  .786
10	John Wall, PG	        WSH	43	35.7	26.4	9.9-23.1	.429	1.9-5.6	  .343	4.7-6.0	  .781
RK	PLAYER	                TEAM	GP	MPG	PTS	FGM-FGA	         FG%	3PM-3PA	   3P%	FTM-FTA	   FT%
11	Brandon Knight, PG	PHX	42	36.3	26.1	9.7-22.9	.424	2.7-8.2	  .333	3.8-4.5	  .847
12	Zach LaVine, PG	        MIN	46	23.2	24.9	9.3-22.2	.418	2.0-6.0	  .328	4.4-5.3	  .838
13	Dennis Schroder, PG	ATL	44	21.5	24.4	9.2-22.0	.418	2.3-7.2	  .326	3.6-4.5	  .798
14	Jeff Teague, PG	        ATL	43	28.3	24.2	8.3-20.2	.413	1.8-4.8	  .377	5.7-6.8	  .843
15	Trey Burke, PG	        UTAH	44	24.6	24.1	9.5-22.1	.429	2.9-8.3	  .349	2.3-2.9	  .785
16	Gary Neal, PG	        WSH	35	21.1	23.3	8.9-19.3	.463	2.5-5.9	  .418	3.0-3.5	  .868
17	Aaron Brooks, PG	CHI	34	16.3	23.0	8.6-20.8	.417	3.3-8.7	  .376	2.4-2.9	  .824
18	Derrick Rose, PG	CHI	38	32.1	22.9	9.4-23.2	.406	0.9-3.4	  .264	3.2-4.0	  .792
19	Ramon Sessions, PG	WSH	43	21.2	22.8	7.5-15.9	.472	1.0-3.2	  .317	6.8-8.8	  .772
20	Mike Conley, PG	        MEM	40	31.7	22.6	7.7-19.2	.403	2.2-6.0	  .358	5.0-5.9	  .847

I expected a little bit better...You really think PP48 is a good comparison?
I wouldn't even trade fo Zach LaVine who is ranked 12th on that list.

Besides, can you say that Jeff Teague has looked better than DWill this season? I can't.

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Rookie wrote:

callmened wrote:we have nothing good to offer

I think the Hawks really miss Carroll. They would be interested in Thomas and DWill. The question is, are we interested in sending our 2 most productive role players for a starting PG with Teague's skill set.

I don't think we would, but to answer your point, I think we do have something good to offer if we wanted to.

Derrick Williams is the guy the Hawks could use right now. Deal would have to be structured around Derrick and Teague.

If we trade Derrick we can't trade Thomas in the same trade. We just can't.

I think Derrick Williams and Calderón for Teague and maybe Mike Scott gets it done.

Teague would make the Knicks a playoff team.

I disagree. They are a space and pace team offensively and can switch everything defensively. While Derrick is talented, he's not a good shooter or particularly good on switches. Besides, they already have Mike Scott who has a very similar skillset but is a deft shooter.

What the Hawks do need is a starting swingman that can shoot and cover his own position, which Williams has yet to consistently demonstrate. IMO Calderon, Afflalo and picks gets the deal done for Teague. That type of move allows them to get a backup PG (Calderon) to replace the outgoing Teague and Afflalo helps them replace what they lost in DeMarre Carroll, while the picks allow them to compensate for the loss of value from a talent perspective. Getting the picks and the nature of those picks would be the problem though. We'd need to include multiple teams to facilitate that end of the deal.

Carroll played like D Will for them. Slash, Drive to get the And 1, rebound and lead the transition, and shoot the open 3.

AA is mostly posting and shooting the mid range off of passes. That isn't what the Hawks need. They need someone to come in and do what D Will has been doing with their starters. Also based on PER DWill is playing better lately than Teague is.

Carroll posted a TS% of 58% and 60% over a 143 game sample for the Hawks. Derrick Williams posted a TS% of 55% for us over 46 games, which also represents a career high. There just isn't much of a comparison between the two players when it comes to their shooting/offensive proficiency, especially when you consider just how limited a sample you're working with Derrick Williams. Aaron Afflalo, however, has had seasons as an elite shooter with the Magic and a stint with Denver. He is far more likely of recreating some of the Magic that Carroll brought them last season.

Bringing up TS% sample (which as of right now is very close) ignores the fact he provides the same skills to their offense that they have been missing since Carroll left. Even to the eye test you can see the similarities to the offensive games of D-Will and Carroll. That is why I posted both their highlight video.

Also the fact D-Will is younger and will be cheaper long term than Carroll in FA (probably around the 10-12 range) makes a lot of sense for the Hawks because they will want to sign Bazemore to about the same as well as keep Horford.

For the knicks the best case scenario is for all their FA to not opt out (D-Will would be a fool not to he is underpaid right now at 5 mil a year) and they can go after another piece with their 19 million. Also D-Will is playing so well for the knicks because their bench runs a mini hawk offense. If the knicks continue to push the triangle then D-Will will begin to struggle more and more.

A Calderon + D-Will trade for Teague could help both teams right now a lot.

Dude, what? How is a TS% of 55%, taken over a very limited sample size close to a TS% OF 60% over a full season?

You keep mentioning the same stuff but it is patently false. Williams and Carroll are entirely different players. Carroll is an elite 3-and-D guy while Williams is a guy that gets ALL of his points off drives and putbacks from the midrange.

Just for perspective, Williams has taken ninety 3's this season and has only connected 22% of the time. By comparison, Carroll already attempted 200 at the same juncture last year AT AN ELITE RATE of 40% (obtained from Basketball Reference). A quick trip to 82games.com also shows that 9% of Williams' shot attempts ended in dunks during the 2013-2014 season (last available info for him) while only 2% for Carroll. That difference I believe would be statistically significant even though it is a far from perfect comparison. The point is that how these players score and where they score are dramatically different.

The reality is that Williams' inability to step out to the 3 and space the floor would irrepairably hurt the high and side pick and rolls the Hawks' offense is based on. He'd be a poor fit for them especially given his poor defensive abilities in a defense that requires a high degree of awareness because of the switching they do.

TPercy wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Rookie wrote:

callmened wrote:we have nothing good to offer

I think the Hawks really miss Carroll. They would be interested in Thomas and DWill. The question is, are we interested in sending our 2 most productive role players for a starting PG with Teague's skill set.

I don't think we would, but to answer your point, I think we do have something good to offer if we wanted to.

Derrick Williams is the guy the Hawks could use right now. Deal would have to be structured around Derrick and Teague.

If we trade Derrick we can't trade Thomas in the same trade. We just can't.

I think Derrick Williams and Calderón for Teague and maybe Mike Scott gets it done.

Teague would make the Knicks a playoff team.

I disagree. They are a space and pace team offensively and can switch everything defensively. While Derrick is talented, he's not a good shooter or particularly good on switches. Besides, they already have Mike Scott who has a very similar skillset but is a deft shooter.

What the Hawks do need is a starting swingman that can shoot and cover his own position, which Williams has yet to consistently demonstrate. IMO Calderon, Afflalo and picks gets the deal done for Teague. That type of move allows them to get a backup PG (Calderon) to replace the outgoing Teague and Afflalo helps them replace what they lost in DeMarre Carroll, while the picks allow them to compensate for the loss of value from a talent perspective. Getting the picks and the nature of those picks would be the problem though. We'd need to include multiple teams to facilitate that end of the deal.

Carroll played like D Will for them. Slash, Drive to get the And 1, rebound and lead the transition, and shoot the open 3.

AA is mostly posting and shooting the mid range off of passes. That isn't what the Hawks need. They need someone to come in and do what D Will has been doing with their starters. Also based on PER DWill is playing better lately than Teague is.

Carroll posted a TS% of 58% and 60% over a 143 game sample for the Hawks. Derrick Williams posted a TS% of 55% for us over 46 games, which also represents a career high. There just isn't much of a comparison between the two players when it comes to their shooting/offensive proficiency, especially when you consider just how limited a sample you're working with Derrick Williams. Aaron Afflalo, however, has had seasons as an elite shooter with the Magic and a stint with Denver. He is far more likely of recreating some of the Magic that Carroll brought them last season.

Bringing up TS% sample (which as of right now is very close) ignores the fact he provides the same skills to their offense that they have been missing since Carroll left. Even to the eye test you can see the similarities to the offensive games of D-Will and Carroll. That is why I posted both their highlight video.

Also the fact D-Will is younger and will be cheaper long term than Carroll in FA (probably around the 10-12 range) makes a lot of sense for the Hawks because they will want to sign Bazemore to about the same as well as keep Horford.

For the knicks the best case scenario is for all their FA to not opt out (D-Will would be a fool not to he is underpaid right now at 5 mil a year) and they can go after another piece with their 19 million. Also D-Will is playing so well for the knicks because their bench runs a mini hawk offense. If the knicks continue to push the triangle then D-Will will begin to struggle more and more.

A Calderon + D-Will trade for Teague could help both teams right now a lot.

No way. Unless Shroder is also included then ATL can take a hike.

That's easy to say but what if the knicks don't want to pay D-Will? He's going to opt out and he needs to get paid. Hell even if Teague needs to get some surgery and miss a few months, in the long term is makes sense to get him at the low and sell D-Will on his potential high. Especially when

1) the knicks do not have D-Will's bird rights (no team does)
2) D-Will is going to opt out he is a Most improved player of the year candidate
3) The knicks have 19 mil to acquire D Will again next FA if they want regardless if they trade him
4) the knicks have 19 mil to get a forward who would fit their needs better (like Batum)
5) Next years PG situation is really sketchy as hell so trading for a PG makes a lot of sense.

Keep #5 in mind Conley has been injured just like Teague and could want a max. After that you got guys like Jennings, and Ty Lawson as your best PG option. Teague would be on a 2 year contract.

That means the knicks could go after a good/great FA this year, have teague for 2 years and if he doesn't work they can still shop for a replacement PG in that great 2017 FA class. If however Teague does work they would have his bird rights and could add a piece to the team and still keep him.

Honestly and trade for Teague that doesn't involve a future knicks 1st round pick and moves Calderon to the Hawks is worth considering. Regardless if it involves AA, D-Will, O'quinn, Grant, Lance, or Gallo. I just think D-Will is the best move short term for both teams.

newyorker4ever wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Rookie wrote:

callmened wrote:we have nothing good to offer

I think the Hawks really miss Carroll. They would be interested in Thomas and DWill. The question is, are we interested in sending our 2 most productive role players for a starting PG with Teague's skill set.

I don't think we would, but to answer your point, I think we do have something good to offer if we wanted to.

Derrick Williams is the guy the Hawks could use right now. Deal would have to be structured around Derrick and Teague.

If we trade Derrick we can't trade Thomas in the same trade. We just can't.

I think Derrick Williams and Calderón for Teague and maybe Mike Scott gets it done.

Teague would make the Knicks a playoff team.

I disagree. They are a space and pace team offensively and can switch everything defensively. While Derrick is talented, he's not a good shooter or particularly good on switches. Besides, they already have Mike Scott who has a very similar skillset but is a deft shooter.

What the Hawks do need is a starting swingman that can shoot and cover his own position, which Williams has yet to consistently demonstrate. IMO Calderon, Afflalo and picks gets the deal done for Teague. That type of move allows them to get a backup PG (Calderon) to replace the outgoing Teague and Afflalo helps them replace what they lost in DeMarre Carroll, while the picks allow them to compensate for the loss of value from a talent perspective. Getting the picks and the nature of those picks would be the problem though. We'd need to include multiple teams to facilitate that end of the deal.

Carroll played like D Will for them. Slash, Drive to get the And 1, rebound and lead the transition, and shoot the open 3.

AA is mostly posting and shooting the mid range off of passes. That isn't what the Hawks need. They need someone to come in and do what D Will has been doing with their starters. Also based on PER DWill is playing better lately than Teague is.

Carroll is a 3 and D guy and DW can't shoot the 3 very well and has no D so they don't even compare with each other.

actually he has shot the 3 better this season and his D hasn't been bad. Also all the other things he did (In the video I posted) D Will does and why trade for AA when you have Bazemore who is having a career season?

Also I mentioned how the defense wasn't the same..... but Carroll didn't camp in the corner. He was much more versatile than that.

*watch Carroll Highlights and Watch D-Will Highlights and you'll see how the operate in the offense.

TPercy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

babyKnicks wrote:Id like to keep dwill and grant. To be honest. Unless they are taking back calderone, I would pass. Teague doesn't put us over the top and sending calderone to the bench would kill team chemistry and morale. I don't know much about Teague though. But grant and Galloway are two way players I'd prefer to take a chance on.

Seraphim, oquinn and calderone (even though he is a leader) are all I would part with. I'd like to go all in on summer FA.

We are a 45 win team as presently constructed. Grant and dwill can only get better. And if they ball, we bring in another body in the summer.

So seraphin and calderone or shove it.

I think you underestimate the impact that Teague could have on our team. I'm not saying he's God's gift to PG's but he's SOOOOOOO much better than any of the guards we have that it's not even funny.

Points Per 48 Minutes Leaders - Qualified Point Guards
RK	PLAYER	                TEAM	GP	MPG	PTS	FGM-FGA	         FG%	3PM-3PA	   3P%	FTM-FTA	   FT%
1	Stephen Curry, PG	GS	43	33.8	43.0	14.2-27.7	.513	6.9-15.   .456	7.6-8.4	  .913
2	Russell Westbrook, PG	OKC	47	34.1	33.9	12.0-26.4	.455	1.6-5.7	  .281	8.2-10.2  .811
3	Damian Lillard, PG	POR	40	36.1	32.4	11.1-26.4	.421	4.0-10.7  .376	6.1-7.0	  .872
4	Isaiah Thomas, PG	BOS	46	32.4	32.2	10.4-24.5	.425	3.0-8.7	  .348	8.4-9.4	  .893
5	Reggie Jackson, PG	DET	45	31.0	29.7	11.1-25.2	.439	2.2-6.3	  .350	5.4-6.4	  .839
6	Chris Paul, PG	        LAC	40	32.4	27.8	10.0-21.9	.456	2.3-5.8	  .395	5.5-6.3	  .882
7	Kyle Lowry, PG	        TOR	45	36.5	27.5	8.7-20.6	.424	3.7-9.4	  .388	6.4-7.3	  .884
8	Kemba Walker, PG	CHA	45	36.1	27.4	9.4-22.1	.425	2.4-6.6	  .364	6.1-7.1	  .863
9	Jrue Holiday, PG	NO	38	25.3	26.5	9.9-22.1	.448	2.3-6.0	  .380	4.4-5.6	  .786
10	John Wall, PG	        WSH	43	35.7	26.4	9.9-23.1	.429	1.9-5.6	  .343	4.7-6.0	  .781
RK	PLAYER	                TEAM	GP	MPG	PTS	FGM-FGA	         FG%	3PM-3PA	   3P%	FTM-FTA	   FT%
11	Brandon Knight, PG	PHX	42	36.3	26.1	9.7-22.9	.424	2.7-8.2	  .333	3.8-4.5	  .847
12	Zach LaVine, PG	        MIN	46	23.2	24.9	9.3-22.2	.418	2.0-6.0	  .328	4.4-5.3	  .838
13	Dennis Schroder, PG	ATL	44	21.5	24.4	9.2-22.0	.418	2.3-7.2	  .326	3.6-4.5	  .798
14	Jeff Teague, PG	        ATL	43	28.3	24.2	8.3-20.2	.413	1.8-4.8	  .377	5.7-6.8	  .843
15	Trey Burke, PG	        UTAH	44	24.6	24.1	9.5-22.1	.429	2.9-8.3	  .349	2.3-2.9	  .785
16	Gary Neal, PG	        WSH	35	21.1	23.3	8.9-19.3	.463	2.5-5.9	  .418	3.0-3.5	  .868
17	Aaron Brooks, PG	CHI	34	16.3	23.0	8.6-20.8	.417	3.3-8.7	  .376	2.4-2.9	  .824
18	Derrick Rose, PG	CHI	38	32.1	22.9	9.4-23.2	.406	0.9-3.4	  .264	3.2-4.0	  .792
19	Ramon Sessions, PG	WSH	43	21.2	22.8	7.5-15.9	.472	1.0-3.2	  .317	6.8-8.8	  .772
20	Mike Conley, PG	        MEM	40	31.7	22.6	7.7-19.2	.403	2.2-6.0	  .358	5.0-5.9	  .847

I expected a little bit better...You really think PP48 is a good comparison?
I wouldn't even trade fo Zach LaVine who is ranked 12th on that list.

Besides, can you say that Jeff Teague has looked better than DWill this season? I can't.

newyorker4ever wrote:

wargames wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

wargames wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Rookie wrote:

callmened wrote:we have nothing good to offer

I think the Hawks really miss Carroll. They would be interested in Thomas and DWill. The question is, are we interested in sending our 2 most productive role players for a starting PG with Teague's skill set.

I don't think we would, but to answer your point, I think we do have something good to offer if we wanted to.

Derrick Williams is the guy the Hawks could use right now. Deal would have to be structured around Derrick and Teague.

If we trade Derrick we can't trade Thomas in the same trade. We just can't.

I think Derrick Williams and Calderón for Teague and maybe Mike Scott gets it done.

Teague would make the Knicks a playoff team.

I disagree. They are a space and pace team offensively and can switch everything defensively. While Derrick is talented, he's not a good shooter or particularly good on switches. Besides, they already have Mike Scott who has a very similar skillset but is a deft shooter.

What the Hawks do need is a starting swingman that can shoot and cover his own position, which Williams has yet to consistently demonstrate. IMO Calderon, Afflalo and picks gets the deal done for Teague. That type of move allows them to get a backup PG (Calderon) to replace the outgoing Teague and Afflalo helps them replace what they lost in DeMarre Carroll, while the picks allow them to compensate for the loss of value from a talent perspective. Getting the picks and the nature of those picks would be the problem though. We'd need to include multiple teams to facilitate that end of the deal.

Carroll played like D Will for them. Slash, Drive to get the And 1, rebound and lead the transition, and shoot the open 3.

AA is mostly posting and shooting the mid range off of passes. That isn't what the Hawks need. They need someone to come in and do what D Will has been doing with their starters. Also based on PER DWill is playing better lately than Teague is.

Carroll is a 3 and D guy and DW can't shoot the 3 very well and has no D so they don't even compare with each other.

actually he has shot the 3 better this season and his D hasn't been bad. Also all the other things he did (In the video I posted) D Will does and why trade for AA when you have Bazemore who is having a career season?

Also I mentioned how the defense wasn't the same..... but Carroll didn't camp in the corner. He was much more versatile than that.

*watch Carroll Highlights and Watch D-Will Highlights and you'll see how the operate in the offense.

I stopped reading after his D hasn't been bad. Sorry but laughing too hard to go on.

Still ignoring my point about the offense huh?

Anyhow bad defense didn't stop them from trading for Hardaway now did it. And D-Will's game matches Carroll's game a whole lot more.