newyorker4ever wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:I'm pretty confident that they will make a deal for a PG.

I'm expecting it will be for the likes of a DJ Augustine, Shelvin Mack, M-Chalmers type player --- something that doesn't cost us a great deal and doesn't necessarily jeopardize our $$$ going into the summer.

I could see KOQ potentially being moved and yes maybe even J-Grant.

I also think we may add a FA guard like a Wroten or T-Murry type.

M.Chalmers is a good one cause he's a UFA after this year so they could look to get something for him if they think they're gonna lose him in the off season so it shouldn't take much to get him and when Conley was out for like 4/5 games not too long ago he played really well and he has good size which as we know Phil likes from his PG's.

Also idk if Phil is down for that. They might not want to sign Chalmers to a long term contract.

EnySpree wrote:

wargames wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:I'm pretty confident that they will make a deal for a PG.

I'm expecting it will be for the likes of a DJ Augustine, Shelvin Mack, M-Chalmers type player --- something that doesn't cost us a great deal and doesn't necessarily jeopardize our $$$ going into the summer.

I could see KOQ potentially being moved and yes maybe even J-Grant.

I also think we may add a FA guard like a Wroten or T-Murry type.

M.Chalmers is a good one cause he's a UFA after this year so they could look to get something for him if they think they're gonna lose him in the off season so it shouldn't take much to get him and when Conley was out for like 4/5 games not too long ago he played really well and he has good size which as we know Phil likes from his PG's.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hvmq5e2
Mario for O'quinn works great. The argument would be would the Grizzlies even be on the market for a backup for Gasol?

Also idk if Phil is down for that. They might not want to sign Chalmers to a long term contract.

Who would be Memphis back up point guard? That's the only thing holding this trade up

good point. Yeah I just don't see a realistic trade for the knicks for a PG right now.

Our Best Asset is a backup Big (maybe 2) but we need to trade them for a PG (who has to shoot and defend) likely without sending out Calderon or Grant. The more I look at the hindrances to a clean/easy trade the more I think its probably a lot easier to keep Calderon.

nyknickzingis wrote:I think Phil is likely pissed off. He's gotten many guys in here who are solid to good basketball players who are fitting in and performing well. In the last 12 months we've added players like Porzingis, Williams, Lopez, Thomas, Galloway, Grant and Affalo. Unfortunately though with Melo's physical decline and inability to play at a healthy peak throughout a season, we're seeing the team lose games they should not be. They've thrown away a few games already where they had leads in the 4th Q at home. The team is 22-25, but you feel that they should or could be 26-21 easily with a healthier Melo or some better execution (possibly coaching) down the stretch in games.

I wonder what Phil is thinking. He's added so many players that have helped, not sure he wants to dump them. If I were to guess, I think he's more frustrated with Melo's declining body, and Fisher's inexperience as a head coach than the talent he has or doesn't have. If we had Melo of 2-3 years ago in terms of his physical being, that alone likely puts us in the playoff picture right now. Real frustrating to watch for Phil, I'm sure. Where his head's at? I don't know. I would be surprised if he's looking to make a big trade.

If he does make a move, I think he should be thinking of dealing one of his impending free agents. Likely, we'll see Thomas, Galloway, Williams and Afflalo all look for big contracts this summer. He has to assess which of those players he wants to keep, and whether he can afford to keep all of them AND also go out and get better players. It's going to be a hard decision, because I like all of those players (Afflalo the least, because of age and tunnel vision when he plays). But the odds are stacked against us in keeping all 4 of those guys. You also don't want to invest too much money in role players like that, when you've already invested so much money in a declining Melo.

Just for perspective, that would be a top 10 team in the league; if you say 26-21 easily and move a couple games to win column, they borderline top 7 with only GSW, SAS, OKC, CLE, TOR, LAC ahead of them. I don't think Phil is thinking that.

EnySpree wrote:

wargames wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:I'm pretty confident that they will make a deal for a PG.

I'm expecting it will be for the likes of a DJ Augustine, Shelvin Mack, M-Chalmers type player --- something that doesn't cost us a great deal and doesn't necessarily jeopardize our $$$ going into the summer.

I could see KOQ potentially being moved and yes maybe even J-Grant.

I also think we may add a FA guard like a Wroten or T-Murry type.

M.Chalmers is a good one cause he's a UFA after this year so they could look to get something for him if they think they're gonna lose him in the off season so it shouldn't take much to get him and when Conley was out for like 4/5 games not too long ago he played really well and he has good size which as we know Phil likes from his PG's.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=hvmq5e2
Mario for O'quinn works great. The argument would be would the Grizzlies even be on the market for a backup for Gasol?

Also idk if Phil is down for that. They might not want to sign Chalmers to a long term contract.

Who would be Memphis back up point guard? That's the only thing holding this trade up

Calderon for Chalmers and a young player they never use?

newyorker4ever wrote:I think some people need to start living in reality around here when it comes to some of our players that are gonna be free agents after this year and some people think that because they like playing for the Knicks that they're gonna turn down millions of dollars to stay here. These guys have a lifestyle that they have to be able to afford and the younger ones are looking to improve their lifestyles and have enough money in the bank to pay for their lifestyles after their playing days are over. D.Williams and L.Thomas are playing their ways into much bigger contracts than they're on now. You don't think teams would love to have A DW that has crazy athleticism and brings what he brings with his driving to the basket and getting to the foul line and his rebounding has picked up lately as well?? How about L.Thomas who can guard pretty much every position and guards the best player on the other team and has improved with his offense with his shot and driving to the basket and both guys can hit free throws?? Both of them are gonna get a lot of interest from multiple teams and will be offered bigger contracts from multiple teams. If Phil's plan is to sign a max player in the off season then unless he finds a way to get rid of Calderon's contract he won't be able to sign these two along with a max player. I love lance and have been his biggest supporter since we got him last year and if i had to choose one of those two it's easily Lance for me but even though we all love what we're getting from guys like LT, DW, Gallo, AA Phil must listen to offers for all of them just to see what the offers are. I wish we could keep all of them and add a significant player in the off season but it's just not possible.

dwills contract is player option next year... he is not a passing player right now and unless he shows significant improvement on that front...he's showing iso melo tendencies in a faster body. if he doesn't come back at the same price... let him walk

lance thomas...keep him keep him keep him. To me, he could end up being more value than any other player on our roster (minus rooks) at the price.

gallo...yes he can be clutch on offense in the 4th, but he STILL defers to melo and kp and affalo in the 4th instead of looking for his shot. (that plus fisher never calls any plays for him obviously). we have a team option on him next year so he's still cheap.

coming to the trade question thread title... schroeder is unhappy about coming off the bench. give them calderon who won't mind coming off the bench for atlanta. this gives them a PG who can create for their bench and make them appear better than they are.

to make salaries match...we also get sefolosha with 2 years @ 4 mill left on the contract (half of calderon's) and give them cleanthony and/or gallo.

they get a disgruntled pg out of their locker room (schroeder). we get a contract thats much more tradable (sefolosha), and we get schroeder at super cheap for at least 2 years in the role he wants.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zxaehvr

Hawks get Afflalo to replace DeMarre Carroll and get Calderon to be Schroder's mentor. Ajinca is a cheaper and similar talent to Tiago but offers better value due to his contract. I'd have $3 million cash and 2nd round picks from the Pelicans and Clippers going to the Hawks.

Clippers get the deal to save some luxury tax. Seraphin, however, could provide some nice bench scoring from the big man spots now that Josh Smith is no longer with the team. Quincy Pondexter is out for the season but could fit wonderfully at the 3 for them next season.

New Orleans does the trade because Splitter is an upgrade to Asik at this point. CJ Wilcox is also an intriguing, (relatively) young swingman that could give them some good shooting (think Anthony Morrow). If necessary, I'd give them Cleanthony Early so that they'd have someone to replace Quincy Pondexter with down the road.

We do the deal because it is a sizeable upgrade in talent. Yeah, there will be lingering chemistry issues but come next season, we'd be sitting pretty. The deal does not affect our cap situation in the slightest but recreates a similar backcourt to the one that made the Pacers so deadly 3 seasons ago that is still young enough to improve.

SupremeCommander wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:This scenario would be far more invasive and involve 4 teams.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h4faeg9

Hawks get Afflalo to replace DeMarre Carroll and get Calderon to be Schroder's mentor. Ajinca is a cheaper and similar talent to Tiago but offers better value due to his contract.

Clippers get the deal to save some luxury tax. O'Quinn, however, could provide some nice bench scoring from the big man spots now that Josh Smith is no longer with the team. Quincy Pondexter is out for the season but could fit wonderfully at the 3 for them next season.

New Orleans does the trade because Splitter is an upgrade to Asik at this point. CJ Wilcox is also an intriguing, (relatively) young swingman that could give them some good shooting (think Anthony Morrow). If necessary, I'd give them Cleanthony Early so that they'd have someone to replace Quincy Pondexter with.

We do the deal because it is a sizeable upgrade in talent. Yeah, there will be lingering chemistry issues but come next season, we'd be sitting pretty.

I think trading AA makes sense if the Knicks start freefalling

So you keep him even if it means passing on a deal that upgrades our talent base?

NardDogNation wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:This scenario would be far more invasive and involve 4 teams.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=h4faeg9

Hawks get Afflalo to replace DeMarre Carroll and get Calderon to be Schroder's mentor. Ajinca is a cheaper and similar talent to Tiago but offers better value due to his contract.

Clippers get the deal to save some luxury tax. O'Quinn, however, could provide some nice bench scoring from the big man spots now that Josh Smith is no longer with the team. Quincy Pondexter is out for the season but could fit wonderfully at the 3 for them next season.

New Orleans does the trade because Splitter is an upgrade to Asik at this point. CJ Wilcox is also an intriguing, (relatively) young swingman that could give them some good shooting (think Anthony Morrow). If necessary, I'd give them Cleanthony Early so that they'd have someone to replace Quincy Pondexter with.

We do the deal because it is a sizeable upgrade in talent. Yeah, there will be lingering chemistry issues but come next season, we'd be sitting pretty.

I think trading AA makes sense if the Knicks start freefalling

So you keep him even if it means passing on a deal that upgrades our talent base?

This is not the team that we're gonna compete for any deep playoff runs with even though we have some nice pieces so if it were me every player on this team besides KP and Melo (Melo because he's not waving his NTC) would be on the trade block to see what kind of offers we could get for any of them. I truly do love Rolo, DW and i really really love Lance but i'd still listen to offers for anyone on this team besides KP/Melo.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I think some people need to start living in reality around here when it comes to some of our players that are gonna be free agents after this year and some people think that because they like playing for the Knicks that they're gonna turn down millions of dollars to stay here. These guys have a lifestyle that they have to be able to afford and the younger ones are looking to improve their lifestyles and have enough money in the bank to pay for their lifestyles after their playing days are over. D.Williams and L.Thomas are playing their ways into much bigger contracts than they're on now. You don't think teams would love to have A DW that has crazy athleticism and brings what he brings with his driving to the basket and getting to the foul line and his rebounding has picked up lately as well?? How about L.Thomas who can guard pretty much every position and guards the best player on the other team and has improved with his offense with his shot and driving to the basket and both guys can hit free throws?? Both of them are gonna get a lot of interest from multiple teams and will be offered bigger contracts from multiple teams. If Phil's plan is to sign a max player in the off season then unless he finds a way to get rid of Calderon's contract he won't be able to sign these two along with a max player. I love lance and have been his biggest supporter since we got him last year and if i had to choose one of those two it's easily Lance for me but even though we all love what we're getting from guys like LT, DW, Gallo, AA Phil must listen to offers for all of them just to see what the offers are. I wish we could keep all of them and add a significant player in the off season but it's just not possible.

dwills contract is player option next year... he is not a passing player right now and unless he shows significant improvement on that front...he's showing iso melo tendencies in a faster body. if he doesn't come back at the same price... let him walk

lance thomas...keep him keep him keep him. To me, he could end up being more value than any other player on our roster (minus rooks) at the price.

gallo...yes he can be clutch on offense in the 4th, but he STILL defers to melo and kp and affalo in the 4th instead of looking for his shot. (that plus fisher never calls any plays for him obviously). we have a team option on him next year so he's still cheap.

coming to the trade question thread title... schroeder is unhappy about coming off the bench. give them calderon who won't mind coming off the bench for atlanta. this gives them a PG who can create for their bench and make them appear better than they are.

to make salaries match...we also get sefolosha with 2 years @ 4 mill left on the contract (half of calderon's) and give them cleanthony and/or gallo.

they get a disgruntled pg out of their locker room (schroeder). we get a contract thats much more tradable (sefolosha), and we get schroeder at super cheap for at least 2 years in the role he wants.

Yes i know DW has an opt out and he's going to use it. Why just let a player with his talents walk away if you can get a draft pick or picks or a young player for him instead of letting him walk for nothing??

I want Lance to be a Knick for his entire playing career if it were up to me but he's gonna get some really good offers from other teams in the off season so i hope Phil finds a way to keep him without hurting our chances at adding a significant player in the off season.

Gallo i'm meh on but i really hope we keep him cause he does bring some good things off the bench and the kid can hit some clutch shots at big times.

You say Schroeder is unhappy with coming off the bench and you come up with a trade offer for him that Atlanta would laugh at cause the kid can play and when they trade Teague Schroeder won't be unhappy any more right? This is probably the reason why they're trying to trade Teague so Schroeder won't be unhappy.

i guess the biggest question for them is do they keep a disgruntled player in the locker room or help him find a better home to keep chemistry intact? teague is happy and it will be difficult to find suitors for him at his salary.