NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:If only we had "a 'SF' that could put the ball into the basket" to offer the Heat....if only....

Seriously, I'm still on board with Melo for Winslow and (whatever we get from a 3rd team for) Dragic. I'm all in on Porzingis being our franchise's future and know he'll need a running mate (see Winslow).

I wouldn't do that trade. We'd be better off with Melo and Dragic is not worth what the Heat gave up for him or his contract.

I'd be doing the deal for 10 years of prime Justise Winslow, not for Dragic.

Winslow is going to be a very, very good role player. Possibly a key player to a championship team (i'm thinking like Iggy). But that is not worth trading Dad Melo and forcing KP into a role he cannot handle physically yet and trading away his mentor. You are just asking for problems.

NardDogNation wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:If only we had "a 'SF' that could put the ball into the basket" to offer the Heat....if only....

Seriously, I'm still on board with Melo for Winslow and (whatever we get from a 3rd team for) Dragic. I'm all in on Porzingis being our franchise's future and know he'll need a running mate (see Winslow).

What's better? Conley and Melo? Or Dragic and Winslow? Most teams that wanted to win games would take Conley and Melo. Dragic isn't even younger than Conley.

Knicks have a good shot at Conley this off-season for free and that's so much better than giving up Melo for Dragic and Winslow.

Why should we want to win games now? As good as we are (and despite how much I love this team), we are still on the fringes of the playoffs. Most seasons, that'd leave me completely discouraged but having Porzingis makes me feel that there is an entire future to concern ourselves about. That being said, I'm not concerned with realizing the potential of that future than I am with "winning now".

Melo's playing exceptionally well? GOOD! Let's sell high for once and start pairing Porzingis with some running mates that will help further his reign in this league. Last thing I'd want is to have Grant Hill but end up holding onto Isiah Thomas and Joe Dumars; to have Chris Bosh but hold onto Vince Carter; to have Dwight Howard and hold onto Steve Francis and Cuttino Mobley. Those types of decisions can ruin a franchise in spite of its young up-and-coming player.

We should want to win all the time. And Carmelo Anthony has not shown the signs of decline those other players have. The Knicks can continue building and add good pieces. You've heard of the San Antonio Spurs, right? Did they get rid of David Robinson to build around Duncan?

Also, every team you mentioned never went anywhere with their so-called new savior. I think Toronto would've been a lot better off if they held onto Vince Carter along with Bosh. Carter went to New Jersey and averaged 25ppg for a number of years. That would've helped Bosh immeasurably. Detroit never went anywhere with Grant Hill. Houston lost Francis and Mobley in 2006 or so and didn't get Howard til 2013, so I'm not sure what exactly your point is there.

How about this - Spurs drafted Duncan and kept Robinson, Elliot, Avery Johnson - they made a title run in 99 with those guys, then slowly added pieces through the draft and won again in 2003, 2005, 2007 with Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, then kept those guys while building around Kawhi Leonard and LaMarcus Aldridge. Doesn't seem like the Spurs, the best team in the sport, feels the need to ditch their players to rebuild. You build constantly.

Knickoftime wrote:

MS wrote:When was the last time we made an actual trade or signing that really was special. Literally 16 years ago.

Riley:

1. Antoine Walker from the Celtics, plus James Posey and Jason Williams from Memphis. All three played big minutes in the 2005-06 championship run. The deal also moved Eddie Jones to the Grizzlies, Rasual Butler to the Hornets and Greg Ostertag to the Jazz.

2. Dealt Glen Rice for Alonzo Mourning

3. Got Tim Hardaway for role players (with Chris Gatling for Kevin Willis and Bimbo Coles)

4. Landed Shaq (odom, butler, grant), unloaded Shaq (shawn marion)

5. Turned spare parts and draft picks into Goran Dragic

6. Drafted Dwayne Wade

7. Singing PJ Brown, Gary Payton, Dan Majerle

8. Cap space to acquire Bosh and Lebron

9. Whiteside

The heat have 3 titles and 6 appearance in the finals since he came to the organization. That's one more championship and 2 more finals appearance than our Knicks. So I think he has done more than enough to be considered impressive.

Fair enough.

That changes Heat are 60-64 since James left how?

Gotta discount bad clot with Bosh though right?

Knickoftime wrote:

martin wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

MS wrote:When was the last time we made an actual trade or signing that really was special. Literally 16 years ago.

Riley:

1. Antoine Walker from the Celtics, plus James Posey and Jason Williams from Memphis. All three played big minutes in the 2005-06 championship run. The deal also moved Eddie Jones to the Grizzlies, Rasual Butler to the Hornets and Greg Ostertag to the Jazz.

2. Dealt Glen Rice for Alonzo Mourning

3. Got Tim Hardaway for role players (with Chris Gatling for Kevin Willis and Bimbo Coles)

4. Landed Shaq (odom, butler, grant), unloaded Shaq (shawn marion)

5. Turned spare parts and draft picks into Goran Dragic

6. Drafted Dwayne Wade

7. Singing PJ Brown, Gary Payton, Dan Majerle

8. Cap space to acquire Bosh and Lebron

9. Whiteside

The heat have 3 titles and 6 appearance in the finals since he came to the organization. That's one more championship and 2 more finals appearance than our Knicks. So I think he has done more than enough to be considered impressive.

Fair enough.

That changes Heat are 60-64 since James left how?

Gotta discount bad clot with Bosh though right?

Speculative. They were worse with him then without him. You have to give them credit for getting a lot better than they were up to that point assuming he played.

Miami last year is hard to gauge, lots of moving parts. Wade misses games early in the season, Bosh misses out on second half of year. Whiteside is added to team and then comes on stronger at end. Dragic trade.

Knixkik wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:If only we had "a 'SF' that could put the ball into the basket" to offer the Heat....if only....

Seriously, I'm still on board with Melo for Winslow and (whatever we get from a 3rd team for) Dragic. I'm all in on Porzingis being our franchise's future and know he'll need a running mate (see Winslow).

I wouldn't do that trade. We'd be better off with Melo and Dragic is not worth what the Heat gave up for him or his contract.

I'd be doing the deal for 10 years of prime Justise Winslow, not for Dragic.

Winslow is going to be a very, very good role player. Possibly a key player to a championship team (i'm thinking like Iggy). But that is not worth trading Dad Melo and forcing KP into a role he cannot handle physically yet and trading away his mentor. You are just asking for problems.

...but we need to play the hand we were dealt this year and see where it takes us.

crzymdups wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:If only we had "a 'SF' that could put the ball into the basket" to offer the Heat....if only....

Seriously, I'm still on board with Melo for Winslow and (whatever we get from a 3rd team for) Dragic. I'm all in on Porzingis being our franchise's future and know he'll need a running mate (see Winslow).

I wouldn't do that trade. We'd be better off with Melo and Dragic is not worth what the Heat gave up for him or his contract.

I'd be doing the deal for 10 years of prime Justise Winslow, not for Dragic.

Winslow is going to be a very, very good role player. Possibly a key player to a championship team (i'm thinking like Iggy). But that is not worth trading Dad Melo and forcing KP into a role he cannot handle physically yet and trading away his mentor. You are just asking for problems.

Might feel differently if we had only 10 victories this year, our 2016 Draft pick, and Anthony was not playing the way he is and had not bonded with KP...

...but we need to play the hand we were dealt this year and see where it takes us.

Exactly. I truly wonder if anyone who suggests trading Melo can see the actual chemistry and affinity KP and Melo have for one another. After years in the woods, you'd think that sort of thing would stand out as being rare and important. When was the last time the Knicks' top two players had chemistry with one another? Seriously - it's been a looooong time.

Well said. I suspect a lot of the Carmelo haters are not truly fans of the Knicks; they root for the Nets:)))

Knicks1969 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:what about Jose and AA else for Justice Winslow and Goran Dragic? The Knicks woudl probably need to throw something else in but I would like to see something similar happen

Why would you trade for Dragic? I never cared for what this dude was able to provide in Phoenix

I think he can play. I just think it's hard to be lead guard and share the backcourt with Wade.

As for other comments, the Knicks would need to include more. I don't know if the pieces fit. I would explore that general structure though