mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Never was a fan of AA. All the guy does is shoot no matter how contested he is. He cant pass, defend, or much else. At least melo is defending well now and passing much more than he did the past. I just dont like AA much despite him having good shooting games once in a while

Yeah i like what he gives us with his shot and post up moves but he disappears when we need him most and doesn't pass or rebound. Gallo is at least rebounding the ball for us when he's in the game. AA takes bad shots to.

Toronto might trade us our# 1 back for affalo

Don't know if sarcasm but i would absolutely give that some thought. I would love to make the playoffs this year but i'd rather build this team for the future to where we're competing every year and we're still a couple of year away from that so if we could get a first rounder for AA i'd take it and add another young piece to our future which is KP.

its not sarcasm unfortunately, its just comical ...

Well, No one thought THjr would get a 1st either. Also, in a down year, AA was traded for Barton, Claver, Thomas, and a 2016 1st(lottery protected). That was what he was worth in a bad year. The year before that he was traded for Fournier. Teams may value his veteran qualities and scoring when not asked to be a top guy.

newyorker4ever wrote:I'm starting to think that maybe A.Afflalo isn't the guy we need as our starting SG past this year which i'm not even sure i want him to make it through this year on this team. He's supposed to be the veteran stepping up when Melo is out but he doesn't seem to do that. He had 18 points against the Nets and 11 against Memphis last night and i don't even wanna talk about his other stats cause there's not much to see for rebounds, assists or steals. I'm starting to think we should look to get what we can for guys like A.Afflalo, D.Williams, L.Galloaway and K.O'Quinn but not Lance cause he's my guy unless it's an offer we can't refuse. I know everyone wants to make a playoff run and so do i but if we got rid of those contracts we would have the money to add a max guy (Conley, Batum, Derozan) and another good piece in the off season or we could trade one or two of those guys and get us a W.Barton or someone to fill one of the guard spots and fill the other in the off season. I love what DW brings us with his athleticism with his dunks which we haven't had in a while but his defense is brutal and you can add O'Quinn in that part with the brutal defense. Anyway this thread was supposed to be about how Afflalo is not the right piece for us but i got carried away there. We all know that with Melo getting up there in age that he's gonna have small injuries once in a while and i know we have KP to take on a lot of the scoring and defense but he's gonna need help and there isn't one other player on the team now that can help him consistently, not A.Afflalo and not D.Williams. I know we love DW but he's still just a good 6th man and not a starter cause he doesn't play defense and he isn't consistent on offense.

Think Afflalo is more offense player than "D" guy he used to be, however he'd been scoring. Recall this team has NO PG
consistency. Hard to hold that against Afflalo

Who can u bring in SG ? at this point ?
without breaking $$$ structure or forging over any more future draft picks.

Think PG (starter, role) is more issue on Knicks than SG Aaron A.,
opinion

DJMUSIC wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I'm starting to think that maybe A.Afflalo isn't the guy we need as our starting SG past this year which i'm not even sure i want him to make it through this year on this team. He's supposed to be the veteran stepping up when Melo is out but he doesn't seem to do that. He had 18 points against the Nets and 11 against Memphis last night and i don't even wanna talk about his other stats cause there's not much to see for rebounds, assists or steals. I'm starting to think we should look to get what we can for guys like A.Afflalo, D.Williams, L.Galloaway and K.O'Quinn but not Lance cause he's my guy unless it's an offer we can't refuse. I know everyone wants to make a playoff run and so do i but if we got rid of those contracts we would have the money to add a max guy (Conley, Batum, Derozan) and another good piece in the off season or we could trade one or two of those guys and get us a W.Barton or someone to fill one of the guard spots and fill the other in the off season. I love what DW brings us with his athleticism with his dunks which we haven't had in a while but his defense is brutal and you can add O'Quinn in that part with the brutal defense. Anyway this thread was supposed to be about how Afflalo is not the right piece for us but i got carried away there. We all know that with Melo getting up there in age that he's gonna have small injuries once in a while and i know we have KP to take on a lot of the scoring and defense but he's gonna need help and there isn't one other player on the team now that can help him consistently, not A.Afflalo and not D.Williams. I know we love DW but he's still just a good 6th man and not a starter cause he doesn't play defense and he isn't consistent on offense.

Think Afflalo is more offense player than "D" guy he used to be, however he'd been scoring. Recall this team has NO PG
consistency. Hard to hold that against Afflalo

Who can u bring in SG ? at this point ?
without breaking $$$ structure or forging over any more future draft picks.

Think PG (starter, role) is more issue on Knicks than SG Aaron A.,
opinion

dellavadova would be a good pickup.

Knicks1969 wrote:We can't keep changing players season after season; this is not how you build and nurture chemistry. We can add one player here and there, but not two or three at a time. AFLALO is a good dude and produce when guys can help create space for him to operate. He is at his best on offense and defense when he is guarded or guarding smaller players, but has difficulty with taller players

You can't keep changing players when you have your team already set but we're in the middle of a rebuild so we absolutely need to be changing players right now until we have the team that Phil thinks is the team that can contend for a championship and we're not even close to that yet. We have 3 starters in Melo, KP and Rolo and then we have our next two best players with opt outs after this year and here's an article suggesting that DW will be opting out and looking for more money.

http://hoopshype.com/storyline/derrick-williams-free-agency/

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Never was a fan of AA. All the guy does is shoot no matter how contested he is. He cant pass, defend, or much else. At least melo is defending well now and passing much more than he did the past. I just dont like AA much despite him having good shooting games once in a while

Yeah i like what he gives us with his shot and post up moves but he disappears when we need him most and doesn't pass or rebound. Gallo is at least rebounding the ball for us when he's in the game. AA takes bad shots to.

Toronto might trade us our# 1 back for affalo

Don't know if sarcasm but i would absolutely give that some thought. I would love to make the playoffs this year but i'd rather build this team for the future to where we're competing every year and we're still a couple of year away from that so if we could get a first rounder for AA i'd take it and add another young piece to our future which is KP.

its not sarcasm unfortunately, its just comical ...

Well, No one thought THjr would get a 1st either. Also, in a down year, AA was traded for Barton, Claver, Thomas, and a 2016 1st(lottery protected). That was what he was worth in a bad year. The year before that he was traded for Fournier. Teams may value his veteran qualities and scoring when not asked to be a top guy.

When teams are making a playoff run and feel they need another piece they'll make trades where they'll give up more that they would in a off season for a player they feel could help them. AA, DW, Gallo and my boy Lance can really help a playoff team and right around the trade deadline you can get more then that player is really worth if they want that player bad enough.

newyorker4ever wrote:

dk7th wrote:actually if evan turner is available next summer he'd be a good pickup. cheaper contract and a better playmaker than afflalo.

Hellz no. I'd rather have double A than Turner. Turner is way inconsistent. I'd take him as a bench player but if i'm choosing between him and AA for a starting spot i'm going with AA.

i was not aware he was inconsistent. i look at his height and length as well as his passing ability. not concerned at all about his three point shooting in the triangle offense. however if he doesn't have a decent post up game that may be an even bigger factor. he is also on a cheaper contract than afflalo.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I'm starting to think that maybe A.Afflalo isn't the guy we need as our starting SG past this year which i'm not even sure i want him to make it through this year on this team. He's supposed to be the veteran stepping up when Melo is out but he doesn't seem to do that. He had 18 points against the Nets and 11 against Memphis last night and i don't even wanna talk about his other stats cause there's not much to see for rebounds, assists or steals. I'm starting to think we should look to get what we can for guys like A.Afflalo, D.Williams, L.Galloaway and K.O'Quinn but not Lance cause he's my guy unless it's an offer we can't refuse. I know everyone wants to make a playoff run and so do i but if we got rid of those contracts we would have the money to add a max guy (Conley, Batum, Derozan) and another good piece in the off season or we could trade one or two of those guys and get us a W.Barton or someone to fill one of the guard spots and fill the other in the off season. I love what DW brings us with his athleticism with his dunks which we haven't had in a while but his defense is brutal and you can add O'Quinn in that part with the brutal defense. Anyway this thread was supposed to be about how Afflalo is not the right piece for us but i got carried away there. We all know that with Melo getting up there in age that he's gonna have small injuries once in a while and i know we have KP to take on a lot of the scoring and defense but he's gonna need help and there isn't one other player on the team now that can help him consistently, not A.Afflalo and not D.Williams. I know we love DW but he's still just a good 6th man and not a starter cause he doesn't play defense and he isn't consistent on offense.

Think Afflalo is more offense player than "D" guy he used to be, however he'd been scoring. Recall this team has NO PG
consistency. Hard to hold that against Afflalo

Who can u bring in SG ? at this point ?
without breaking $$$ structure or forging over any more future draft picks.

Think PG (starter, role) is more issue on Knicks than SG Aaron A.,
opinion

AGREE.....with a dominant player like Carmelo and soon to be KP, we don't need a SG to carry the scoring load. As a third scorer, Aflalo is just fine. We have DWill who in my opinion should be groomed to play more as a SG, so all we need is to find a starting PG

We have DW right now but i'm not so sure we'll have him next year when he opts out and wants more money and to get him and give him the money he'll want we won't be able to sign a max guy. So no N.Batum or M.Conley or D.Derozan or K.Durant or no max player at all so we'll be a team with Melo/KP and Rolo and a bunch of bench players again....yay i can't wait. I say trade anyone on this team besides Melo and KP at this trade deadline and keep building to be a playoff team that can actually win in the playoffs in another year or two.

So you did it again. You assumed that the Knicks would automatically resign DWill to a bigger contract at the expense of signing a starter like Batum, Conley, Derozan or KD. That's not how it will go down. Starters first, bench after that, it's that simple.

martin wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I'm starting to think that maybe A.Afflalo isn't the guy we need as our starting SG past this year which i'm not even sure i want him to make it through this year on this team. He's supposed to be the veteran stepping up when Melo is out but he doesn't seem to do that. He had 18 points against the Nets and 11 against Memphis last night and i don't even wanna talk about his other stats cause there's not much to see for rebounds, assists or steals. I'm starting to think we should look to get what we can for guys like A.Afflalo, D.Williams, L.Galloaway and K.O'Quinn but not Lance cause he's my guy unless it's an offer we can't refuse. I know everyone wants to make a playoff run and so do i but if we got rid of those contracts we would have the money to add a max guy (Conley, Batum, Derozan) and another good piece in the off season or we could trade one or two of those guys and get us a W.Barton or someone to fill one of the guard spots and fill the other in the off season. I love what DW brings us with his athleticism with his dunks which we haven't had in a while but his defense is brutal and you can add O'Quinn in that part with the brutal defense. Anyway this thread was supposed to be about how Afflalo is not the right piece for us but i got carried away there. We all know that with Melo getting up there in age that he's gonna have small injuries once in a while and i know we have KP to take on a lot of the scoring and defense but he's gonna need help and there isn't one other player on the team now that can help him consistently, not A.Afflalo and not D.Williams. I know we love DW but he's still just a good 6th man and not a starter cause he doesn't play defense and he isn't consistent on offense.

Think Afflalo is more offense player than "D" guy he used to be, however he'd been scoring. Recall this team has NO PG
consistency. Hard to hold that against Afflalo

Who can u bring in SG ? at this point ?
without breaking $$$ structure or forging over any more future draft picks.

Think PG (starter, role) is more issue on Knicks than SG Aaron A.,
opinion

AGREE.....with a dominant player like Carmelo and soon to be KP, we don't need a SG to carry the scoring load. As a third scorer, Aflalo is just fine. We have DWill who in my opinion should be groomed to play more as a SG, so all we need is to find a starting PG

We have DW right now but i'm not so sure we'll have him next year when he opts out and wants more money and to get him and give him the money he'll want we won't be able to sign a max guy. So no N.Batum or M.Conley or D.Derozan or K.Durant or no max player at all so we'll be a team with Melo/KP and Rolo and a bunch of bench players again....yay i can't wait. I say trade anyone on this team besides Melo and KP at this trade deadline and keep building to be a playoff team that can actually win in the playoffs in another year or two.

So you did it again. You assumed that the Knicks would automatically resign DWill to a bigger contract at the expense of signing a starter like Batum, Conley, Derozan or KD. That's not how it will go down. Starters first, bench after that, it's that simple.

So what i'm noticing is that you have a reading problem and it's really starting to concern me. I CLEARLY said the words "I'M NOT SO SURE" and i can't figure out what you think those words mean but i know that they mean I'M NOT SO SURE. I really hope you seek help for this especially if you're gonna be talking with others on a message board. Thank you for your time and please....................call Dr Phil.