newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:Lots of things can get coaches fired. I dont see any of those things happening here. Not saying Fisher has been perfect, but I cant fathom Phil so much as having this thought

coming from zach lowe makes this a bit more credible. Also, we can't see what is going on and what phil likes and dislikes.

I can see Phil not liking the Fisher/Barnes situation and thinking Fisher does not have the maturity and personal life to support the environment and culture he is trying to build with the Knicks. For all we know, a lot of NBA personnel might be siding with Barnes and saying that what Fisher did hurt his credibility around the league. I don't think it's likely, but very possible. Still don't understand how these guys fight over these reality tv skanks. Anyways, to me it seems like these issues are more likely to cause friction with Phil than the basketball side, because Fisher is showing some progress there.

What wrong did Fisher have in the Barnes thing?? He didn't do nothing but be at a girl's house that he was with and Barnes' dumb azz got jealous and drove like 25 miles or something after a game and started a fight with him and from the way it was told Fisher didn't do any of the fighting. I think this is just typical writers that haven't had much bad to bring up about the Knicks lately so they start something. Nothing to see here.

newyorker4ever
Nothing wrong ? Are you married with family my friend ? Regardless of woes you Or anyone has with a spouse
if your spouse is still "wife" on legal papers and ex-nba'er (Fisher) goes and BEDs your wife in a home
that Matt still pays for, You'd know half of this board might of Kicked Derek's ass too!

You dont do sh_it where your work OR your professional ethics come into play. Mrs Barnes isn't innocent of all this either!

Listen players grumbling (few) implies he does not have ALL the locker room, Of course WINS fixes thangs.
if NY wins 36-40 games and gets Playoff spot ALL bets off, Fisher keeps his NBA job.

But if anyone thinks for 1 sec. this fact of the Fight does NOT Bother Phil Jackson you're missing the point
of having the locker room. Guys on any team cant respect the fact their coach got into a fight with a Non-(Barnes)
and got his ass kicked and thats in the newspapers all NBA 2015/16 season.

YA know what ? I dont think some of this team respect a coach whom private personal mess got in the news this way.
Alot of this is Fisher's fault too!

Guys , pros or players fights NOT COACHEs. Of Course indirectly Fisher didnt drive & start the Matt Barnes fight
Which PRO NFL coach, MLB manager or NBA, NHL Coach you know got into fistfights while working hi profile job.

Sure Fisher didnt start a fight but he's responsible for the mess that Matt Barnes ended the saga.
Fisher personally didnt handle his affairs with his own wife either while messing around in someone elses
relationship.

Fisher is NO LESS Guilty than Matt Barnes, its only Fisher got his ass waxed! And as a Knickerbocker coach, high profile job.
If THIS NBA KNICKS job was so so important to Derek Fisher, You'd not BED another pro' wife in another house, period.
Phil J. is smart enough to confront Fisher on this I'd bet & got the truth which I am sure neither makes Jackson OR owner
James Dolan happy.

Knickoftime wrote:Someone will eventually express this thought, so I'll get it out of the way:

Stealth Jackson move to leak a very tenuous rumor out there and see if team rallies around him, thereby providing motivation and litmus test if he's the 'Melo's last run' solution?

DJMUSIC wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:Lots of things can get coaches fired. I dont see any of those things happening here. Not saying Fisher has been perfect, but I cant fathom Phil so much as having this thought

coming from zach lowe makes this a bit more credible. Also, we can't see what is going on and what phil likes and dislikes.

I can see Phil not liking the Fisher/Barnes situation and thinking Fisher does not have the maturity and personal life to support the environment and culture he is trying to build with the Knicks. For all we know, a lot of NBA personnel might be siding with Barnes and saying that what Fisher did hurt his credibility around the league. I don't think it's likely, but very possible. Still don't understand how these guys fight over these reality tv skanks. Anyways, to me it seems like these issues are more likely to cause friction with Phil than the basketball side, because Fisher is showing some progress there.

What wrong did Fisher have in the Barnes thing?? He didn't do nothing but be at a girl's house that he was with and Barnes' dumb azz got jealous and drove like 25 miles or something after a game and started a fight with him and from the way it was told Fisher didn't do any of the fighting. I think this is just typical writers that haven't had much bad to bring up about the Knicks lately so they start something. Nothing to see here.

newyorker4ever
Nothing wrong ? Are you married with family my friend ? Regardless of woes you Or anyone has with a spouse
if your spouse is still "wife" on legal papers and ex-nba'er (Fisher) goes and BEDs your wife in a home
that Matt still pays for, You'd know half of this board might of Kicked Derek's ass too!

You dont do sh_it where your work OR your professional ethics come into play. Mrs Barnes isn't innocent of all this either!

Listen players grumbling (few) implies he does not have ALL the locker room, Of course WINS fixes thangs.
if NY wins 36-40 games and gets Playoff spot ALL bets off, Fisher keeps his NBA job.

But if anyone thinks for 1 sec. this fact of the Fight does NOT Bother Phil Jackson you're missing the point
of having the locker room. Guys on any team cant respect the fact their coach got into a fight with a Non-(Barnes)
and got his ass kicked and thats in the newspapers all NBA 2015/16 season.

YA know what ? I dont think some of this team respect a coach whom private personal mess got in the news this way.
Alot of this is Fisher's fault too!

Guys , pros or players fights NOT COACHEs. Of Course indirectly Fisher didnt drive & start the Matt Barnes fight
Which PRO NFL coach, MLB manager or NBA, NHL Coach you know got into fistfights while working hi profile job.

Sure Fisher didnt start a fight but he's responsible for the mess that Matt Barnes ended the saga.
Fisher personally didnt handle his affairs with his own wife either while messing around in someone elses
relationship.

Fisher is NO LESS Guilty than Matt Barnes, its only Fisher got his ass waxed! And as a Knickerbocker coach, high profile job.
If THIS NBA KNICKS job was so so important to Derek Fisher, You'd not BED another pro' wife in another house, period.
Phil J. is smart enough to confront Fisher on this I'd bet & got the truth which I am sure neither makes Jackson OR owner
James Dolan happy.

If you've cheated on your wife and as a result have split up, then you really have a cheek to get enraged when she starts seeing someone else.

smackeddog wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:Lots of things can get coaches fired. I dont see any of those things happening here. Not saying Fisher has been perfect, but I cant fathom Phil so much as having this thought

coming from zach lowe makes this a bit more credible. Also, we can't see what is going on and what phil likes and dislikes.

I can see Phil not liking the Fisher/Barnes situation and thinking Fisher does not have the maturity and personal life to support the environment and culture he is trying to build with the Knicks. For all we know, a lot of NBA personnel might be siding with Barnes and saying that what Fisher did hurt his credibility around the league. I don't think it's likely, but very possible. Still don't understand how these guys fight over these reality tv skanks. Anyways, to me it seems like these issues are more likely to cause friction with Phil than the basketball side, because Fisher is showing some progress there.

What wrong did Fisher have in the Barnes thing?? He didn't do nothing but be at a girl's house that he was with and Barnes' dumb azz got jealous and drove like 25 miles or something after a game and started a fight with him and from the way it was told Fisher didn't do any of the fighting. I think this is just typical writers that haven't had much bad to bring up about the Knicks lately so they start something. Nothing to see here.

newyorker4ever
Nothing wrong ? Are you married with family my friend ? Regardless of woes you Or anyone has with a spouse
if your spouse is still "wife" on legal papers and ex-nba'er (Fisher) goes and BEDs your wife in a home
that Matt still pays for, You'd know half of this board might of Kicked Derek's ass too!

You dont do sh_it where your work OR your professional ethics come into play. Mrs Barnes isn't innocent of all this either!

Listen players grumbling (few) implies he does not have ALL the locker room, Of course WINS fixes thangs.
if NY wins 36-40 games and gets Playoff spot ALL bets off, Fisher keeps his NBA job.

But if anyone thinks for 1 sec. this fact of the Fight does NOT Bother Phil Jackson you're missing the point
of having the locker room. Guys on any team cant respect the fact their coach got into a fight with a Non-(Barnes)
and got his ass kicked and thats in the newspapers all NBA 2015/16 season.

YA know what ? I dont think some of this team respect a coach whom private personal mess got in the news this way.
Alot of this is Fisher's fault too!

Guys , pros or players fights NOT COACHEs. Of Course indirectly Fisher didnt drive & start the Matt Barnes fight
Which PRO NFL coach, MLB manager or NBA, NHL Coach you know got into fistfights while working hi profile job.

Sure Fisher didnt start a fight but he's responsible for the mess that Matt Barnes ended the saga.
Fisher personally didnt handle his affairs with his own wife either while messing around in someone elses
relationship.

Fisher is NO LESS Guilty than Matt Barnes, its only Fisher got his ass waxed! And as a Knickerbocker coach, high profile job.
If THIS NBA KNICKS job was so so important to Derek Fisher, You'd not BED another pro' wife in another house, period.
Phil J. is smart enough to confront Fisher on this I'd bet & got the truth which I am sure neither makes Jackson OR owner
James Dolan happy.

If you've cheated on your wife and as a result have split up, then you really have a cheek to get enraged when she starts seeing someone else.

i kinda agree thats his ex wife not wife, i dont care who my ex wife sleeps with.My main concern was my kids so i got custody of them. Thats all barnes had to do in mot driving 100 miles for some old puss-c that im done with,but maybe he just cant do better.

DJMUSIC wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:Lots of things can get coaches fired. I dont see any of those things happening here. Not saying Fisher has been perfect, but I cant fathom Phil so much as having this thought

coming from zach lowe makes this a bit more credible. Also, we can't see what is going on and what phil likes and dislikes.

I can see Phil not liking the Fisher/Barnes situation and thinking Fisher does not have the maturity and personal life to support the environment and culture he is trying to build with the Knicks. For all we know, a lot of NBA personnel might be siding with Barnes and saying that what Fisher did hurt his credibility around the league. I don't think it's likely, but very possible. Still don't understand how these guys fight over these reality tv skanks. Anyways, to me it seems like these issues are more likely to cause friction with Phil than the basketball side, because Fisher is showing some progress there.

What wrong did Fisher have in the Barnes thing?? He didn't do nothing but be at a girl's house that he was with and Barnes' dumb azz got jealous and drove like 25 miles or something after a game and started a fight with him and from the way it was told Fisher didn't do any of the fighting. I think this is just typical writers that haven't had much bad to bring up about the Knicks lately so they start something. Nothing to see here.

newyorker4ever
Nothing wrong ? Are you married with family my friend ? Regardless of woes you Or anyone has with a spouse
if your spouse is still "wife" on legal papers and ex-nba'er (Fisher) goes and BEDs your wife in a home
that Matt still pays for, You'd know half of this board might of Kicked Derek's ass too!

You dont do sh_it where your work OR your professional ethics come into play. Mrs Barnes isn't innocent of all this either!

Listen players grumbling (few) implies he does not have ALL the locker room, Of course WINS fixes thangs.
if NY wins 36-40 games and gets Playoff spot ALL bets off, Fisher keeps his NBA job.

But if anyone thinks for 1 sec. this fact of the Fight does NOT Bother Phil Jackson you're missing the point
of having the locker room. Guys on any team cant respect the fact their coach got into a fight with a Non-(Barnes)
and got his ass kicked and thats in the newspapers all NBA 2015/16 season.

YA know what ? I dont think some of this team respect a coach whom private personal mess got in the news this way.
Alot of this is Fisher's fault too!

Guys , pros or players fights NOT COACHEs. Of Course indirectly Fisher didnt drive & start the Matt Barnes fight
Which PRO NFL coach, MLB manager or NBA, NHL Coach you know got into fistfights while working hi profile job.

Sure Fisher didnt start a fight but he's responsible for the mess that Matt Barnes ended the saga.
Fisher personally didnt handle his affairs with his own wife either while messing around in someone elses
relationship.

Fisher is NO LESS Guilty than Matt Barnes, its only Fisher got his ass waxed! And as a Knickerbocker coach, high profile job.
If THIS NBA KNICKS job was so so important to Derek Fisher, You'd not BED another pro' wife in another house, period.
Phil J. is smart enough to confront Fisher on this I'd bet & got the truth which I am sure neither makes Jackson OR owner
James Dolan happy.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Chandler wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Chandler wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:If Phil makes the change at season end, it would be only with 1 person I think he'd be willing to do it for. Luke Walton.

It also depends on what kind of season the Knicks have. If they can finish the season with 40 or more wins, Fisher is going to come back for sure. If they don't close the season with the same type of record they have now (20 wins in the 1st half), I think he could be replaced. At an early point in this season, I agree Fisher looked still very much a rookie head coach. The last month or so though, he has looked far better. I've seen progress. However closing the season strong is critical. He can not go back to experimenting with lineups, playing 11 guys a game, and have players look lost.

To me the coaching staff is strong on this team. They're getting the players to play in a way they want them to play. That's the staff as a whole though. Fisher in particular isn't the one who has to do all of that. Many of the duties are assigned to other coaches on the staff. Fisher's main role is to get the guys to follow what the assistants have schemed for the sets. He wasn't getting that done early on, but lately has been fantastic in that regard. Like I said, all about how they close. They'll have little excuse to not be at 40 or more wins at season's end considering at 20-21 many of the losses can be chalked up to the team learning how to run the offense and fitting in together.

I agree with a lot of this, except if there's any truth to this rumor Fisher needs more than 40 wins to be safe. He started the season rough, and if he finishes at 40 there will have been NO growth over the second half of the season, and that's not good for job security. In addition, if Phil has convinced himself Luke is the guy and not to be missed, i think he pulls the plug regardless of the record (absent something astounding). A coach can be as transformative to a team as a star player.

Also if these so-called rumblings are recent it has to be the Nets game. We got our ass handed to us a number of times when the other team was on a back-to-back, e.g., Utah. We play the nets (with what was essentially a home crowd) and a team that was too dumb to run it down our throats and we lost. I can't imagine it sitting well for Phil; nor do I think he gives hall passes on back to back excuse.

Having said all of that, I agree with the rest of your assessment that he has grown as a coach and he doesn't need to be a master of everything (though ultimately the buck has to stop with him). I'm actually pulling for the guy at this point, though i still find some of his moves easy to criticize

Did you not pay attention much in school?? There is no rumor that Fisher has to win 40 games to save his job that was just something that was said by someone on here like 7 or 8 posts up.

I think you misread my post. I was saying if there's any truth to the rumor (ie rumblings, dissatisfactions) then fisher will need more than 40 wins. I was disagreeing with some opinions that 40 might be sufficient

A little irony in your first sentence perhaps?

No i paid good attention to the post i commented on but if you would have worded it the way you worded this one by using the words rumblings and dissatisfaction then it would of been correct but you didn't and worded it as if it was a rumor not only on here been everywhere else. Thank you for your time.

Did you really say "would of been correct" in a post where you criticize the clarity of my post and ask if I paid attention in school?

Hilarious. Ha haha. Thanks for making my day

Fisher took a leap of faith for Phil and trusted in Phil. Last year's Knicks team was nothing to jump at impulsively. Fisher could have played another year or two had he wanted. Phil brought Fisher in fully factoring that instant success was not imminent. Fisher is learning and that's a good thing - not a sign of weakness or incompetence. Fisher and Jackson, I'm guessing have a trust relationship that will last for a long time.

Last year the same media were claiming Jackson would bail - that's not happened or happening either.

Is Fisher Red Holzman? No. Is Fisher the coach Phil Jackson was? No. But damned few pundits on sites such as this one expected twenty wins at this juncture of the season. And, yes, we blew at least three games - stuff happens.

IMO, it is bat**** crazy to criticize Fisher for coaching prowess this year. This is Year One FOR EVERYBODY on this team and that includes the GMs and administration. Fisher need to take the first half of the season to shake out who was who - he didn't inherit a plug and play franchise such as Golden State. Compare and contrast Milwaukee's problems with what was assumed to be a very successful off-season of acquisitions. There's no automatic pilot for building a team and winning with it.

Now that the team is demonstrating real winning chemistry, personnel changes will be a tricky thing. Phil's reputation has been to do right by his players when they do get traded. But he also knows that teams that win, win because of year over year stability. I doubt he's impatient with the progress made by Fisher or the team.

broadwaystorm wrote:Fisher needs to focus less on Matt Barnes wife and focus more on coaching this team.

Fisher's rotations are my only problem with him. He's good for the culture. He's good with getting guys to play. He seems to have their respect. But takes him too long to figure out rotations.

smackeddog wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:Lots of things can get coaches fired. I dont see any of those things happening here. Not saying Fisher has been perfect, but I cant fathom Phil so much as having this thought

coming from zach lowe makes this a bit more credible. Also, we can't see what is going on and what phil likes and dislikes.

I can see Phil not liking the Fisher/Barnes situation and thinking Fisher does not have the maturity and personal life to support the environment and culture he is trying to build with the Knicks. For all we know, a lot of NBA personnel might be siding with Barnes and saying that what Fisher did hurt his credibility around the league. I don't think it's likely, but very possible. Still don't understand how these guys fight over these reality tv skanks. Anyways, to me it seems like these issues are more likely to cause friction with Phil than the basketball side, because Fisher is showing some progress there.

What wrong did Fisher have in the Barnes thing?? He didn't do nothing but be at a girl's house that he was with and Barnes' dumb azz got jealous and drove like 25 miles or something after a game and started a fight with him and from the way it was told Fisher didn't do any of the fighting. I think this is just typical writers that haven't had much bad to bring up about the Knicks lately so they start something. Nothing to see here.

newyorker4ever
Nothing wrong ? Are you married with family my friend ? Regardless of woes you Or anyone has with a spouse
if your spouse is still "wife" on legal papers and ex-nba'er (Fisher) goes and BEDs your wife in a home
that Matt still pays for, You'd know half of this board might of Kicked Derek's ass too!

You dont do sh_it where your work OR your professional ethics come into play. Mrs Barnes isn't innocent of all this either!

Listen players grumbling (few) implies he does not have ALL the locker room, Of course WINS fixes thangs.
if NY wins 36-40 games and gets Playoff spot ALL bets off, Fisher keeps his NBA job.

But if anyone thinks for 1 sec. this fact of the Fight does NOT Bother Phil Jackson you're missing the point
of having the locker room. Guys on any team cant respect the fact their coach got into a fight with a Non-(Barnes)
and got his ass kicked and thats in the newspapers all NBA 2015/16 season.

YA know what ? I dont think some of this team respect a coach whom private personal mess got in the news this way.
Alot of this is Fisher's fault too!

Guys , pros or players fights NOT COACHEs. Of Course indirectly Fisher didnt drive & start the Matt Barnes fight
Which PRO NFL coach, MLB manager or NBA, NHL Coach you know got into fistfights while working hi profile job.

Sure Fisher didnt start a fight but he's responsible for the mess that Matt Barnes ended the saga.
Fisher personally didnt handle his affairs with his own wife either while messing around in someone elses
relationship.

Fisher is NO LESS Guilty than Matt Barnes, its only Fisher got his ass waxed! And as a Knickerbocker coach, high profile job.
If THIS NBA KNICKS job was so so important to Derek Fisher, You'd not BED another pro' wife in another house, period.
Phil J. is smart enough to confront Fisher on this I'd bet & got the truth which I am sure neither makes Jackson OR owner
James Dolan happy.

If you've cheated on your wife and as a result have split up, then you really have a cheek to get enraged when she starts seeing someone else.

That's NASTY
and stink all around..

DJMUSIC wrote:

broadwaystorm wrote:Fisher needs to focus less on Matt Barnes wife and focus more on coaching this team.

%200 agreed & correct

That's my point of Fisher coaching anyway.

Sure recent months has been good for Knick fans (us) and
Melo and rook KP (next superstar) meshing together for a new team growing.

Could give D.Fisher a pinch of credit for the W/L success
but lets not get carried away by DFish coaching growth.

This man (ex laker) got a ways to go to put his stamp on this team. I don't see him getting to finish line *(5 year contract)
however Fisher doing decent enough if Knicks make 8th playoff spot OR near miss with good showing, Of course he's here next
2016/2017.

The rumor title of post (Job not safe) I happen to agree with it & NBA writers
I dont see Fisher as such a great great coach.

We can talk all we want about ready built teams,GS Warriors/Champs,
new upcoming teams striving M.Bucks, B.Celtics, D.Pistons & so on.

Today Coaches should have a short lease/doggy leash say 1-3 yrs tops!
Coaches as young Brad Stephens, Jason Kidd, Mike Budenholzer (mid age), and veterans Rick Carlisle, Stan Van Gundy, etc
DOES MORE with LESS than I've seen from Derek Fisher.

In NewYork Knicks franchise if you're not going to get a motivator , innovative coach you're success isn't going to be built
easily with Derek Fisher. Yes success depends on its players so Phil Jackson got a ways to go too!

However Fisher needed a fire lit under his a_ss if GM/Pres Jackson did that!

His personal issues and lack of keeping it out of KNICKs Business has not impressed the DJ here, so I ran my mouth on it.
Perhaps if Knicks coach was ex knick like a Ewing, OR some ex knick qualified then I'd cut much more slack.

Nothing personal against coach D.Fisher but I ain't cutting him any slack here, He's not known JACK what Knicks fans has been
through here with his 5 NBA-LA Lakers title rings, plus Fisher perhaps could care less $$$ if you know what I mean.

He's on a clock with me, YEP the KP thing worked out even though Fisher botched end of last season with 4 or 5 wins
to BOTCH a #1 legit chance at draft pick. Whom Knows ? if we got that we'd may get KP , plus 1 pick extra. YOU'd never know.

lol