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ChuckBuck
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1/14/2016  11:07 AM
crzymdups wrote:
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5 for 17 adds up to tired legs.

Here, Fisher admits he goofed the game at 1:08 mark:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/knicks/2016/01/14/dropbox_nyk_fisher_011316_MSGI_2528k_1280w.mp4-228853

Stop with the Melo idolotry, the Knicks world doesn't rotate around him. Knicks should've won this game, but didn't close out. KP is human and will make mistakes (he is 20), but will handle the franchise torch by season's end.


Or maaaaaybe 5 for 17 adds up to Kristaps not getting the good looks he gets when Melo plays. Which is what he said after the game. Which is the point of this thread. Glad you're all caught up now.


But on Wednesday, Anthony's absence allowed Brooklyn to focus its defense on Porzingis.

"I could feel the pressure from the beginning," he said afterward. "They were really getting into my jersey and playing tighter defense."

Thaddeus Young wouldn't leave the rookie alone. With Anthony out, Young -- and the rest of the Nets' front line -- didn't have to.

KP shot 3-10 against Miami on a back to back and 4-13 against Boston on another back to back.

Dead legs, stop over analyzing.

Yup, you should all be caught up now.

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1/14/2016  11:08 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Also forget the missed dunks. KP shot 5-17. You are telling me he had his legs under him?

So you agree that whenever a player has a bad shooting game it's because they had tired legs?? Or is it just KP?? LOL On the gameday thread last night the only thing people were talking about was the rims were too tight but now i know that when a player has a bad shooting game it's cause their legs were tired. Thanks

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1/14/2016  11:09 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:
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Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:This is the end of this thread:

KP simply doesn't blow dunks. Dude and the team was tired, and coach didn't adjust.

Doesn't blow dunks??? He's blown 3 in the same fashion in the passed week! Have you watched any games? He just gets so hyped and tries to take off on guys, so i won't knock him for that. But your statement it very inaccurate.

KP blew dunks on the tail end of back to backs against the Nets and Heat previously. Meaning he didn't have legs.

Both the dunks were too long, not too short. He mistimed his jump. He had a monster dunk in the 4th quarter last night when according to you he was too tired to even walk, so basically nothing you are saying adds up.

5 for 17 adds up to tired legs.

Here, Fisher admits he goofed the game at 1:08 mark:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/knicks/2016/01/14/dropbox_nyk_fisher_011316_MSGI_2528k_1280w.mp4-228853

Stop with the Melo idolotry, the Knicks world doesn't rotate around him. Knicks should've won this game, but didn't close out. KP is human and will make mistakes (he is 20), but will handle the franchise torch by season's end.


So whenever a player has a bad shooting game it's because their legs are tired??? Got it. WTF is wrong with people.

I'll keep that in mind next time Melo puts up a stinker.


Well now we all know (thanks to chucky) that when Melo has a bad game it's cause his legs are tired. Thanks chuck
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1/14/2016  11:11 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Also forget the missed dunks. KP shot 5-17. You are telling me he had his legs under him?

No, we're telling you he missed Melo's pressence on the floor and it allowed the Nets defense to key in on him.

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1/14/2016  11:13 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
5 for 17 adds up to tired legs.

Here, Fisher admits he goofed the game at 1:08 mark:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/knicks/2016/01/14/dropbox_nyk_fisher_011316_MSGI_2528k_1280w.mp4-228853

Stop with the Melo idolotry, the Knicks world doesn't rotate around him. Knicks should've won this game, but didn't close out. KP is human and will make mistakes (he is 20), but will handle the franchise torch by season's end.


Or maaaaaybe 5 for 17 adds up to Kristaps not getting the good looks he gets when Melo plays. Which is what he said after the game. Which is the point of this thread. Glad you're all caught up now.


But on Wednesday, Anthony's absence allowed Brooklyn to focus its defense on Porzingis.

"I could feel the pressure from the beginning," he said afterward. "They were really getting into my jersey and playing tighter defense."

Thaddeus Young wouldn't leave the rookie alone. With Anthony out, Young -- and the rest of the Nets' front line -- didn't have to.

KP shot 3-10 against Miami on a back to back and 4-13 against Boston on another back to back.

Dead legs, stop over analyzing.

Yup, you should all be caught up now.

He had the best game of his life on a back to back in Houston, one night after playing in OKC. He had 24pts 14rebs 7blks on 8 for 12 shooting. Pretty impressive for dead legs!

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400828081

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1/14/2016  11:18 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:2nd game of a back to back after a grueling game against the physical Celtics. KP didn't have it from the jump ball, but neither did most of the team, except DWill and some flashes from Jose and RoLo.

Knicks came out of dead flat in the first quarter. Even without Melo, this game was winnable at the end. The Nets are the 3rd worst team in the league. This loss is more attributed to Fisher reverting back to NOOB clueless rotation Fisher getting out coached by a first time coach Tony Brown, whose team wanted to win badly after Hollins got shyt canned.

This loss had more to do with dead legs/dead coaching than any presence of almighty Carmelo or any Nets strategy. It was a 1 possesion game with like a 2 minutes left!!!

Chuckbuck, can you please be more stupid? Is this a one possession game against one of three worst teams in the league if the best player on the team is playing instead of watching?

KP couldn't do sheehit offensively without Melo on the floor, and Fish had to take him out in the 4th at crucial juncture when he was getting stops.

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1/14/2016  11:20 AM
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fishmike wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Chuck, mommy called, Melo did her real dirty and needs you to clean his scrotum again. Use the hot wax this time.

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1/14/2016  11:23 AM
jrodmc wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Chuck, mommy called, Melo did her real dirty and needs you to clean his scrotum again. Use the hot wax this time.

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1/14/2016  11:23 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Say what you want. When people run out of points they revert back to childish jargon. Facts are For many years, Melo has proven he can still get it done on a nightly basis in spite of being the main emphasis of a teams defensive game plan. Still being able to score and allowing others to have more ability to prosper. Perhaps your hate for Melo keeps you from realizing the best thing for your afiniti for KP is to have Melo on the floor. As it will enable KP to shine. And ofcourse let your favorite team win? Many have been thought to have the ability to score if they were the main offenaive player and have gone on to other teams to try, Only to find out it is harder than they thought. KP found out, and even said it himself, it's something he is fond of Melo being able to do. Maybe that's why Melo is a hall of famer. Something KP has a long way to go before we pronounce him as one. But I hope he gets there some day. But you need not look any further than last night DW shined due to being perhaps the 3rd or 4th point of focus on the defensive game plan. KP was obviously the 1st. And you saw how he struggled. And no, it was not because of his legs. Last I checked he is 20 years old. And I am sure it's not an excuse you tend to throw out defending Melo on his slow start this year, in spite of knee surgery. Point is, Melo has been the main focal point for teams for years and has averaged NBA elite stats. Something you can't replace by a first year player that still has a lot to prove.

Ugh. Melo is not Elite status. He's only elite status for the last couple weeks.

KP has done things that only a few 20 years olds have accomplished in a long time. Only Knick since Mark Jackson to win Rookie of the month back to back.

Melo? He's never made 1 single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM.

Come back to me when Melo makes one then you can put Elite and Melo in the same sentence.

Chuck, we are all wrong in this forum as much as we are right, but you continue to fight a losing battle in regards to Melo. If you are in a hole, just stop digging. KP is an amazing talent, and has superstar potential, but as of right now, Melo is the biggest influence of his young career and it was evident last night what type of team we are without him.

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1/14/2016  11:24 AM
jrodmc wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:2nd game of a back to back after a grueling game against the physical Celtics. KP didn't have it from the jump ball, but neither did most of the team, except DWill and some flashes from Jose and RoLo.

Knicks came out of dead flat in the first quarter. Even without Melo, this game was winnable at the end. The Nets are the 3rd worst team in the league. This loss is more attributed to Fisher reverting back to NOOB clueless rotation Fisher getting out coached by a first time coach Tony Brown, whose team wanted to win badly after Hollins got shyt canned.

This loss had more to do with dead legs/dead coaching than any presence of almighty Carmelo or any Nets strategy. It was a 1 possesion game with like a 2 minutes left!!!

Chuckbuck, can you please be more stupid? Is this a one possession game against one of three worst teams in the league if the best player on the team is playing instead of watching?

KP couldn't do sheehit offensively without Melo on the floor, and Fish had to take him out in the 4th at crucial juncture when he was getting stops.

Lol the Knicks basically beat Boston without Melo. Try again.

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1/14/2016  11:25 AM
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Say what you want. When people run out of points they revert back to childish jargon. Facts are For many years, Melo has proven he can still get it done on a nightly basis in spite of being the main emphasis of a teams defensive game plan. Still being able to score and allowing others to have more ability to prosper. Perhaps your hate for Melo keeps you from realizing the best thing for your afiniti for KP is to have Melo on the floor. As it will enable KP to shine. And ofcourse let your favorite team win? Many have been thought to have the ability to score if they were the main offenaive player and have gone on to other teams to try, Only to find out it is harder than they thought. KP found out, and even said it himself, it's something he is fond of Melo being able to do. Maybe that's why Melo is a hall of famer. Something KP has a long way to go before we pronounce him as one. But I hope he gets there some day. But you need not look any further than last night DW shined due to being perhaps the 3rd or 4th point of focus on the defensive game plan. KP was obviously the 1st. And you saw how he struggled. And no, it was not because of his legs. Last I checked he is 20 years old. And I am sure it's not an excuse you tend to throw out defending Melo on his slow start this year, in spite of knee surgery. Point is, Melo has been the main focal point for teams for years and has averaged NBA elite stats. Something you can't replace by a first year player that still has a lot to prove.

Ugh. Melo is not Elite status. He's only elite status for the last couple weeks.

KP has done things that only a few 20 years olds have accomplished in a long time. Only Knick since Mark Jackson to win Rookie of the month back to back.

Melo? He's never made 1 single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM.

Come back to me when Melo makes one then you can put Elite and Melo in the same sentence.

Chuck, we are all wrong in this forum as much as we are right, but you continue to fight a losing battle in regards to Melo. If you are in a hole, just stop digging. KP is an amazing talent, and has superstar potential, but as of right now, Melo is the biggest influence of his young career and it was evident last night what type of team we are without him.

How is it a losing battle? Has Melo made a single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM in his career yet?

No one seems to want to answer this question for fear of the truth. He's only been playing "the way we've wanted" the last couple weeks.

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1/14/2016  11:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2016  11:40 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Say what you want. When people run out of points they revert back to childish jargon. Facts are For many years, Melo has proven he can still get it done on a nightly basis in spite of being the main emphasis of a teams defensive game plan. Still being able to score and allowing others to have more ability to prosper. Perhaps your hate for Melo keeps you from realizing the best thing for your afiniti for KP is to have Melo on the floor. As it will enable KP to shine. And ofcourse let your favorite team win? Many have been thought to have the ability to score if they were the main offenaive player and have gone on to other teams to try, Only to find out it is harder than they thought. KP found out, and even said it himself, it's something he is fond of Melo being able to do. Maybe that's why Melo is a hall of famer. Something KP has a long way to go before we pronounce him as one. But I hope he gets there some day. But you need not look any further than last night DW shined due to being perhaps the 3rd or 4th point of focus on the defensive game plan. KP was obviously the 1st. And you saw how he struggled. And no, it was not because of his legs. Last I checked he is 20 years old. And I am sure it's not an excuse you tend to throw out defending Melo on his slow start this year, in spite of knee surgery. Point is, Melo has been the main focal point for teams for years and has averaged NBA elite stats. Something you can't replace by a first year player that still has a lot to prove.

Ugh. Melo is not Elite status. He's only elite status for the last couple weeks.

KP has done things that only a few 20 years olds have accomplished in a long time. Only Knick since Mark Jackson to win Rookie of the month back to back.

Melo? He's never made 1 single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM.

Come back to me when Melo makes one then you can put Elite and Melo in the same sentence.

Chuck, we are all wrong in this forum as much as we are right, but you continue to fight a losing battle in regards to Melo. If you are in a hole, just stop digging. KP is an amazing talent, and has superstar potential, but as of right now, Melo is the biggest influence of his young career and it was evident last night what type of team we are without him.

How is it a losing battle? Has Melo made a single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM in his career yet?

No one seems to want to answer this question for fear of the truth. He's only been playing "the way we've wanted" the last couple weeks.

He has not been on either of those teams. That is YOUR measure of elite. What mine or anyone else's measure is irrelevant. My point is, you have said that KP would be averaging 20 and 10 by this point in the season, Melo would be an afterthought and holding back his development, and trading Melo would be the best for everyone involved. Rather than just accepting (no need to admit) you are wrong on all fronts, you continue to dance around the Melo topic and try to find different ways to justify your thought process. Today, your way of justifying is to tell yourself he is not elite if he hasn't met either of these 2 particular criteria. Whether or not he is elite is irrelevant to this conversation. You should opt out of most Melo-driven conversations because you know you will get hammered by a lot of people. And stop finding excuses. KP didn't have his legs, that's fine, but many people will use the same excuse about Melo to you. And why i am on that point, we said Melo didn't have his legs all of november because he was coming off a major injury, while you were saying it was a product of his declining abilities. You see how this works? Stop digging.

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1/14/2016  11:42 AM
nyk4ever wrote:so pathetic how this thread turns into a "melo isn't elite" thread when the original intention was only to showcase the obvious fact that the knicks seriously depend on melo.
really only one guy and its well established he's terrible sharp or armed with any real information. Nothing to see here.
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jrodmc wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:2nd game of a back to back after a grueling game against the physical Celtics. KP didn't have it from the jump ball, but neither did most of the team, except DWill and some flashes from Jose and RoLo.

Knicks came out of dead flat in the first quarter. Even without Melo, this game was winnable at the end. The Nets are the 3rd worst team in the league. This loss is more attributed to Fisher reverting back to NOOB clueless rotation Fisher getting out coached by a first time coach Tony Brown, whose team wanted to win badly after Hollins got shyt canned.

This loss had more to do with dead legs/dead coaching than any presence of almighty Carmelo or any Nets strategy. It was a 1 possesion game with like a 2 minutes left!!!

Chuckbuck, can you please be more stupid? Is this a one possession game against one of three worst teams in the league if the best player on the team is playing instead of watching?

KP couldn't do sheehit offensively without Melo on the floor, and Fish had to take him out in the 4th at crucial juncture when he was getting stops.

No.
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Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Say what you want. When people run out of points they revert back to childish jargon. Facts are For many years, Melo has proven he can still get it done on a nightly basis in spite of being the main emphasis of a teams defensive game plan. Still being able to score and allowing others to have more ability to prosper. Perhaps your hate for Melo keeps you from realizing the best thing for your afiniti for KP is to have Melo on the floor. As it will enable KP to shine. And ofcourse let your favorite team win? Many have been thought to have the ability to score if they were the main offenaive player and have gone on to other teams to try, Only to find out it is harder than they thought. KP found out, and even said it himself, it's something he is fond of Melo being able to do. Maybe that's why Melo is a hall of famer. Something KP has a long way to go before we pronounce him as one. But I hope he gets there some day. But you need not look any further than last night DW shined due to being perhaps the 3rd or 4th point of focus on the defensive game plan. KP was obviously the 1st. And you saw how he struggled. And no, it was not because of his legs. Last I checked he is 20 years old. And I am sure it's not an excuse you tend to throw out defending Melo on his slow start this year, in spite of knee surgery. Point is, Melo has been the main focal point for teams for years and has averaged NBA elite stats. Something you can't replace by a first year player that still has a lot to prove.

Ugh. Melo is not Elite status. He's only elite status for the last couple weeks.

KP has done things that only a few 20 years olds have accomplished in a long time. Only Knick since Mark Jackson to win Rookie of the month back to back.

Melo? He's never made 1 single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM.

Come back to me when Melo makes one then you can put Elite and Melo in the same sentence.

Chuck, we are all wrong in this forum as much as we are right, but you continue to fight a losing battle in regards to Melo. If you are in a hole, just stop digging. KP is an amazing talent, and has superstar potential, but as of right now, Melo is the biggest influence of his young career and it was evident last night what type of team we are without him.

How is it a losing battle? Has Melo made a single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM in his career yet?

No one seems to want to answer this question for fear of the truth. He's only been playing "the way we've wanted" the last couple weeks.

He has not been on either of those teams. That is YOUR measure of elite. What mine or anyone else's measure is irrelevant. My point is, you have said that KP would be averaging 20 and 10 by this point in the season, Melo would be an afterthought and holding back his development, and trading Melo would be the best for everyone involved. Rather than just accepting (no need to admit) you are wrong on all fronts, you continue to dance around the Melo topic and try to find different ways to justify your thought process. Today, your way of justifying is to tell yourself he is not elite if he hasn't met either of these 2 particular benchmarks. Whether or not he is elite is irrelevant to this conversation. You should opt out of most Melo-driven conversations because you know you will get hammered by a lot of people. And stop finding excuses. KP didn't have his legs, that's fine, but many people will use the same excuse about Melo to you. And why i am on that point, we said Melo didn't have his legs all of november because he was coming off a major injury, while you were saying it was a product of his declining abilities. You see how this works? Stop digging.

Actually trading Melo now would be great since his value is at an all time high in last 3 years.

Depends on the package coming back to the Knicks.

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ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Say what you want. When people run out of points they revert back to childish jargon. Facts are For many years, Melo has proven he can still get it done on a nightly basis in spite of being the main emphasis of a teams defensive game plan. Still being able to score and allowing others to have more ability to prosper. Perhaps your hate for Melo keeps you from realizing the best thing for your afiniti for KP is to have Melo on the floor. As it will enable KP to shine. And ofcourse let your favorite team win? Many have been thought to have the ability to score if they were the main offenaive player and have gone on to other teams to try, Only to find out it is harder than they thought. KP found out, and even said it himself, it's something he is fond of Melo being able to do. Maybe that's why Melo is a hall of famer. Something KP has a long way to go before we pronounce him as one. But I hope he gets there some day. But you need not look any further than last night DW shined due to being perhaps the 3rd or 4th point of focus on the defensive game plan. KP was obviously the 1st. And you saw how he struggled. And no, it was not because of his legs. Last I checked he is 20 years old. And I am sure it's not an excuse you tend to throw out defending Melo on his slow start this year, in spite of knee surgery. Point is, Melo has been the main focal point for teams for years and has averaged NBA elite stats. Something you can't replace by a first year player that still has a lot to prove.

Ugh. Melo is not Elite status. He's only elite status for the last couple weeks.

KP has done things that only a few 20 years olds have accomplished in a long time. Only Knick since Mark Jackson to win Rookie of the month back to back.

Melo? He's never made 1 single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM.

Come back to me when Melo makes one then you can put Elite and Melo in the same sentence.

Chuck, we are all wrong in this forum as much as we are right, but you continue to fight a losing battle in regards to Melo. If you are in a hole, just stop digging. KP is an amazing talent, and has superstar potential, but as of right now, Melo is the biggest influence of his young career and it was evident last night what type of team we are without him.

How is it a losing battle? Has Melo made a single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM in his career yet?

No one seems to want to answer this question for fear of the truth. He's only been playing "the way we've wanted" the last couple weeks.

He has not been on either of those teams. That is YOUR measure of elite. What mine or anyone else's measure is irrelevant. My point is, you have said that KP would be averaging 20 and 10 by this point in the season, Melo would be an afterthought and holding back his development, and trading Melo would be the best for everyone involved. Rather than just accepting (no need to admit) you are wrong on all fronts, you continue to dance around the Melo topic and try to find different ways to justify your thought process. Today, your way of justifying is to tell yourself he is not elite if he hasn't met either of these 2 particular benchmarks. Whether or not he is elite is irrelevant to this conversation. You should opt out of most Melo-driven conversations because you know you will get hammered by a lot of people. And stop finding excuses. KP didn't have his legs, that's fine, but many people will use the same excuse about Melo to you. And why i am on that point, we said Melo didn't have his legs all of november because he was coming off a major injury, while you were saying it was a product of his declining abilities. You see how this works? Stop digging.

Actually trading Melo now would be great since his value is at an all time high in last 3 years.

Depends on the package coming back to the Knicks.

Right. Let's expose KP to what it's like to play for an unstable franchise that is always making changes and doesn't believe in loyalty or continuity. Things are going way too well for us now. Let's tank and get that draft pick we have this summer to increase. Oh wait, nevermind. Hopefully KP understands that trading his big brother is for the betterment of this franchise, smh. Come on man.

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1/14/2016  11:59 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Say what you want. When people run out of points they revert back to childish jargon. Facts are For many years, Melo has proven he can still get it done on a nightly basis in spite of being the main emphasis of a teams defensive game plan. Still being able to score and allowing others to have more ability to prosper. Perhaps your hate for Melo keeps you from realizing the best thing for your afiniti for KP is to have Melo on the floor. As it will enable KP to shine. And ofcourse let your favorite team win? Many have been thought to have the ability to score if they were the main offenaive player and have gone on to other teams to try, Only to find out it is harder than they thought. KP found out, and even said it himself, it's something he is fond of Melo being able to do. Maybe that's why Melo is a hall of famer. Something KP has a long way to go before we pronounce him as one. But I hope he gets there some day. But you need not look any further than last night DW shined due to being perhaps the 3rd or 4th point of focus on the defensive game plan. KP was obviously the 1st. And you saw how he struggled. And no, it was not because of his legs. Last I checked he is 20 years old. And I am sure it's not an excuse you tend to throw out defending Melo on his slow start this year, in spite of knee surgery. Point is, Melo has been the main focal point for teams for years and has averaged NBA elite stats. Something you can't replace by a first year player that still has a lot to prove.

Ugh. Melo is not Elite status. He's only elite status for the last couple weeks.

KP has done things that only a few 20 years olds have accomplished in a long time. Only Knick since Mark Jackson to win Rookie of the month back to back.

Melo? He's never made 1 single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM.

Come back to me when Melo makes one then you can put Elite and Melo in the same sentence.

Chuck, we are all wrong in this forum as much as we are right, but you continue to fight a losing battle in regards to Melo. If you are in a hole, just stop digging. KP is an amazing talent, and has superstar potential, but as of right now, Melo is the biggest influence of his young career and it was evident last night what type of team we are without him.

How is it a losing battle? Has Melo made a single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM in his career yet?

No one seems to want to answer this question for fear of the truth. He's only been playing "the way we've wanted" the last couple weeks.

How many years in a row did we go to the playoffs RIGHT BEFORE Melo GOT HERE?

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1/14/2016  12:00 PM
jrodmc wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Melo creates so much space and takes so much attention off KP. When the Nets played the Knicks at the Garden, they had to put Thad Young, their best defender, on Melo. Melo out? KP gets the other team's best defender and gets no space to operate.

Also, I think a lot of people noticed how much the defense suffered without Melo, too.

This is why keeping Melo really helps KP's development. He's not ready to be a #1 option - Melo's pressence immeasurably helps KP's game in all faucets.


Good thread cause people were definitely starting the "this is KP's team" way too early. Without Melo we're back to being a average team.
below average. Cute to see Chuck clinging to his misguided and desperate notions... let me know how that works out for ya.

Everyone with a brain and eyes sees what Melo means to KP. Some just cant cope. Its bizarre but not my problem. Looking forward to Saturday.

Stop cleaning Melo's balls. It was like a 1 possesion game with 2 minutes to go.

Say what you want. When people run out of points they revert back to childish jargon. Facts are For many years, Melo has proven he can still get it done on a nightly basis in spite of being the main emphasis of a teams defensive game plan. Still being able to score and allowing others to have more ability to prosper. Perhaps your hate for Melo keeps you from realizing the best thing for your afiniti for KP is to have Melo on the floor. As it will enable KP to shine. And ofcourse let your favorite team win? Many have been thought to have the ability to score if they were the main offenaive player and have gone on to other teams to try, Only to find out it is harder than they thought. KP found out, and even said it himself, it's something he is fond of Melo being able to do. Maybe that's why Melo is a hall of famer. Something KP has a long way to go before we pronounce him as one. But I hope he gets there some day. But you need not look any further than last night DW shined due to being perhaps the 3rd or 4th point of focus on the defensive game plan. KP was obviously the 1st. And you saw how he struggled. And no, it was not because of his legs. Last I checked he is 20 years old. And I am sure it's not an excuse you tend to throw out defending Melo on his slow start this year, in spite of knee surgery. Point is, Melo has been the main focal point for teams for years and has averaged NBA elite stats. Something you can't replace by a first year player that still has a lot to prove.

Ugh. Melo is not Elite status. He's only elite status for the last couple weeks.

KP has done things that only a few 20 years olds have accomplished in a long time. Only Knick since Mark Jackson to win Rookie of the month back to back.

Melo? He's never made 1 single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM.

Come back to me when Melo makes one then you can put Elite and Melo in the same sentence.

Chuck, we are all wrong in this forum as much as we are right, but you continue to fight a losing battle in regards to Melo. If you are in a hole, just stop digging. KP is an amazing talent, and has superstar potential, but as of right now, Melo is the biggest influence of his young career and it was evident last night what type of team we are without him.

How is it a losing battle? Has Melo made a single ALL NBA FIRST TEAM or ALL NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAM in his career yet?

No one seems to want to answer this question for fear of the truth. He's only been playing "the way we've wanted" the last couple weeks.

How many years in a row did we go to the playoffs RIGHT BEFORE Melo GOT HERE?

Yup, pretty simple concept.

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1/14/2016  12:00 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:This is the end of this thread:

KP simply doesn't blow dunks. Dude and the team was tired, and coach didn't adjust.

Doesn't blow dunks??? He's blown 3 in the same fashion in the passed week! Have you watched any games? He just gets so hyped and tries to take off on guys, so i won't knock him for that. But your statement it very inaccurate.

KP blew dunks on the tail end of back to backs against the Nets and Heat previously. Meaning he didn't have legs.

Both the dunks were too long, not too short. He mistimed his jump. He had a monster dunk in the 4th quarter last night when according to you he was too tired to even walk, so basically nothing you are saying adds up.

5 for 17 adds up to tired legs.

Here, Fisher admits he goofed the game at 1:08 mark:

http://www.nba.com/knicks/video/teams/knicks/2016/01/14/dropbox_nyk_fisher_011316_MSGI_2528k_1280w.mp4-228853

Stop with the Melo idolotry, the Knicks world doesn't rotate around him. Knicks should've won this game, but didn't close out. KP is human and will make mistakes (he is 20), but will handle the franchise torch by season's end.

Right, stop sucking and inhaling the leftover tkf fartwind and face the fact this is #ThisMelo's team.

It's been pointed out in other threads that KP is -17 or something with Melo off the floor. Tell me more about the torch passing.

End of discussion.

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1/14/2016  12:04 PM
fishmike wrote:
nyk4ever wrote:so pathetic how this thread turns into a "melo isn't elite" thread when the original intention was only to showcase the obvious fact that the knicks seriously depend on melo.
really only one guy and its well established he's terrible sharp or armed with any real information. Nothing to see here.

I could've sworn the crowd had more members earlier in the season. I guess they've been won over by Dad Melo.

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I hope the "trade Melo and make KP the focal point" crowd watched last night

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