martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:One thing to think about for Free Agency this summer - thank frickin' god we got KP.

Dude just looks fun to play with and NBA guys know he's a budding superstar. Every single team is gonna have $20M to offer - everyone's gonna get overpaid. So it becomes a question of what else can you offer.

The narrative of the Knicks having the young, limitless potential of KP, brand new passing Dad Melo, solid professionals in Rolo and Afflalo, good team guys in Lance, Langston, DWill, solid young guy Grant, etc, back in the playoffs, Zen Master running the show...

The Knicks are going to be an attractive destination this summer to get that one piece. I'd love to get Batum or Conley - I'd cheer like heck on either move. I think they will meet with the team and listen.

I thought the GameThread dudes landed on ThisMelo

Whatever makes Conley or Batum happier!

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.

If $20M is what it will take to get him, he's not going to be a Knick, even if he wants to come here. IMO.

You guys need to stop thinking by the old salary cap standards. Conley has consistently been a top-10 PG in the league the last few years, and is only 27 years old. He is commanding max money.

Yep. Goran Drgic got 5yr $92M. That's the going rate for Conley - that's the low end for Conley - Conley is way better than Dragic and defends.

I think Conley would be a perfect fit with this team, especially next to Afflalo in the backcourt.

I don't know how much I'm willing to pay - but if you want to max out the Melo years a lineup like this would be a great way to do it:

Conley
Afflalo
Melo
KP
Rolo

bench: Grant, Galloway, Lance, DWill, KOQ

Conley to me is the missing piece. That team, with KP and Grant in year 2 - I think that team can win 50-55 games and compete for the ECF. Heck, KP already owns Love every time they play and Bron is aging. With Conley to lock down Kyrie Irving, that team might be able to beat the Cavs.

thats assuming DWill/AA/Lance opt in (or Lance resigns cheap).

Many things can change, but how do we pay Conley that money? Seems like signing him would be at the expense of DWill/AA and that doesnt strike me as huge improvement. I like Money Mike a lot.

We have $19M in cap room, give or take. We have more like $34M if DWill and Afflalo opt out. We could stretch Calderon to get an extra $6M in cap room, I believe (stretching his final season of $8M over five seasons on the cap). So we'd have ~$40M to sign Conley, Afflalo, DWill, Lance and Langston. I think that's possible.

Conley $18M, Afflalo $10M, DWill $5M, Lance $5M, Langston $2M

There's a way to do, I'm sure. Maybe give DWill and Lance $6M each and then when we are at the cap, use the Room exception of $3M to sign Langston.

Not for nothing, but Knicks can pay Afflalo $9.6m and LT close to $6m without cutting into cap space.

AA qualifies for 120% of his salary as a non-Bird exception and LT can get 104.5% of this year's average salary, which may be from $5.5 to $5.8m.

Best part is if they don't do anything until the KNicks use their cap space, Knicks can go over the cap to do it.

Do you mean DWill instead of LT? DWill is making $5M this year, LT is making $1.6M

But I like you point - Knicks can get crafty with the timing of the signings to go over the cap for Afflalo and DWill. That helps immensely.

IMHO - you give Afflalo a 20% raise to ~$10M and that's a fair deal for him.

We shall see.

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

fishmike wrote:Mike Conley now is great. Mike Conley at the money it would take him to leave Memphis... not so much. I would not pay $20mm to bring him here. He's a really good player, but he's not a star, and Im not paying him star money. Rather resign our guys mentioned above, especially if they are reasonable deals.

If $20M is what it will take to get him, he's not going to be a Knick, even if he wants to come here. IMO.

You guys need to stop thinking by the old salary cap standards. Conley has consistently been a top-10 PG in the league the last few years, and is only 27 years old. He is commanding max money.

Yep. Goran Drgic got 5yr $92M. That's the going rate for Conley - that's the low end for Conley - Conley is way better than Dragic and defends.

I think Conley would be a perfect fit with this team, especially next to Afflalo in the backcourt.

I don't know how much I'm willing to pay - but if you want to max out the Melo years a lineup like this would be a great way to do it:

Conley
Afflalo
Melo
KP
Rolo

bench: Grant, Galloway, Lance, DWill, KOQ

Conley to me is the missing piece. That team, with KP and Grant in year 2 - I think that team can win 50-55 games and compete for the ECF. Heck, KP already owns Love every time they play and Bron is aging. With Conley to lock down Kyrie Irving, that team might be able to beat the Cavs.

thats assuming DWill/AA/Lance opt in (or Lance resigns cheap).

Many things can change, but how do we pay Conley that money? Seems like signing him would be at the expense of DWill/AA and that doesnt strike me as huge improvement. I like Money Mike a lot.

We have $19M in cap room, give or take. We have more like $34M if DWill and Afflalo opt out. We could stretch Calderon to get an extra $6M in cap room, I believe (stretching his final season of $8M over five seasons on the cap). So we'd have ~$40M to sign Conley, Afflalo, DWill, Lance and Langston. I think that's possible.

Conley $18M, Afflalo $10M, DWill $5M, Lance $5M, Langston $2M

There's a way to do, I'm sure. Maybe give DWill and Lance $6M each and then when we are at the cap, use the Room exception of $3M to sign Langston.

Not for nothing, but Knicks can pay Afflalo $9.6m and LT close to $6m without cutting into cap space.

AA qualifies for 120% of his salary as a non-Bird exception and LT can get 104.5% of this year's average salary, which may be from $5.5 to $5.8m.

Best part is if they don't do anything until the KNicks use their cap space, Knicks can go over the cap to do it.

Do you mean DWill instead of LT? DWill is making $5M this year, LT is making $1.6M

But I like you point - Knicks can get crafty with the timing of the signings to go over the cap for Afflalo and DWill. That helps immensely.

IMHO - you give Afflalo a 20% raise to ~$10M and that's a fair deal for him.

We shall see.

No, LT is a UFA but the Knicks hold his early birds rights, which specifically means that can pay him 104.5% of this year's avg salary at any time, including when they're over the cap.

So if LT hangs on on his $2m cap hold until the Knicks spend all their cap room, he can still sign for $5.8-$6m AFTER.

Miles is a Spur like pick 6-7 225 SG with long arms gorgeous stroke with great defensive potential. To me its easy. Identify two later round picks you really believe in(low cost) and attainable and two moderate cost YOUNG NBA players(Powell and Johnson) who have upside but fit in here for the short and long term.

Guys like Noah(always always hurt) and Batum(extreme expensive who also is injury prone)

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:
No, LT is a UFA but the Knicks hold his early birds rights, which specifically means that can pay him 104.5% of this year's avg salary at any time, including when they're over the cap.

So if LT hangs on on his $2m cap hold until the Knicks spend all their cap room, he can still sign for $5.8-$6m AFTER.

Ohhhhh, interesting. Theoretically, the same holds true for DWill as well.

So technically, the Knicks can wait to re-sign all of the group of Afflalo, DWill, Lance as long as they don't renounce their cap holds. That's huge.

Though going over the cap to re-sign them to long-term deals would of course eat into 2017 cap room.

D-Will would be eligible for 120% of his previous salary as a non-Bird FA.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:
No, LT is a UFA but the Knicks hold his early birds rights, which specifically means that can pay him 104.5% of this year's avg salary at any time, including when they're over the cap.

So if LT hangs on on his $2m cap hold until the Knicks spend all their cap room, he can still sign for $5.8-$6m AFTER.

Ohhhhh, interesting. Theoretically, the same holds true for DWill as well.

So technically, the Knicks can wait to re-sign all of the group of Afflalo, DWill, Lance as long as they don't renounce their cap holds. That's huge.

Though going over the cap to re-sign them to long-term deals would of course eat into 2017 cap room.

D-Will would be eligible for 120% of his previous salary as a non-Bird FA.

Exactly,just for clarification it goes 1 yr(non-bird), 2 yrs(early-bird), and 3yrs(full-bird)

Correct, with a "year" being the team you were on the roster on for game 82.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:
No, LT is a UFA but the Knicks hold his early birds rights, which specifically means that can pay him 104.5% of this year's avg salary at any time, including when they're over the cap.

So if LT hangs on on his $2m cap hold until the Knicks spend all their cap room, he can still sign for $5.8-$6m AFTER.

Ohhhhh, interesting. Theoretically, the same holds true for DWill as well.

So technically, the Knicks can wait to re-sign all of the group of Afflalo, DWill, Lance as long as they don't renounce their cap holds. That's huge.

Though going over the cap to re-sign them to long-term deals would of course eat into 2017 cap room.

D-Will would be eligible for 120% of his previous salary as a non-Bird FA.

Exactly,just for clarification it goes 1 yr(non-bird), 2 yrs(early-bird), and 3yrs(full-bird)

Correct, with a "year" being the team you were on the roster on for game 82.

Not exactly, any amount of time qualifies a yr. Even if they were signed before he playoffs that season will count as a full 1yr. Gallo is an example although not as extreme as I mentioned before. He was signed in January but he still got his full yr last season.

That's what I mean, you just have to finish the year with the team.

BRIGGS wrote:Im not one who thinks we are "there" but I do think we have some key pieces in place. Adding to our sore points with younger efficient athletic lengthy players that do NOT cost 20mm is the way to go. It shows in a game like tonight that we need more quality on the bench--you cant do 8 guys on a back to back--its 13 active players for a reason. On the back to back you must go 10-11 deep and those guys have to play well. Look at Golden State and San Antonio they use the WHOLE roster. But they have quality DEEP. Thats our next step--taking the quality and moving it deep into the bench. Also the Spurs--looks at the players they get the ROOKIES EACH year

Andersen Simmons McCallum Marjanovich--they literally add two young guys every year. they understand the need for quality all the way down--no wasted spots. It enhances the front key players and keeps them FRESH.

Tonight we were NOT fresh.

what about the player we stashed in europe last year?

nyknickzingis wrote:

Cartman718 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Im not one who thinks we are "there" but I do think we have some key pieces in place. Adding to our sore points with younger efficient athletic lengthy players that do NOT cost 20mm is the way to go. It shows in a game like tonight that we need more quality on the bench--you cant do 8 guys on a back to back--its 13 active players for a reason. On the back to back you must go 10-11 deep and those guys have to play well. Look at Golden State and San Antonio they use the WHOLE roster. But they have quality DEEP. Thats our next step--taking the quality and moving it deep into the bench. Also the Spurs--looks at the players they get the ROOKIES EACH year

Andersen Simmons McCallum Marjanovich--they literally add two young guys every year. they understand the need for quality all the way down--no wasted spots. It enhances the front key players and keeps them FRESH.

Tonight we were NOT fresh.

what about the player we stashed in europe last year?

Louis Labeyrie?

Plays PF - is in France.

this guy http://www.nba.com/knicks/knicks-acquire-guillermo-hernangomez

yellowboy90 wrote:If the Knicks signed a FA(Batum) to a salary starting at $19m how much would you want the knicks to try to keep D.Will? Yes, he has to continue to play like he has been. Would you stretch Calderon to give him $10m and try to get AA to resign for a 120% increase? Another option would be to trade O'Quinn for peanuts and try to being Willy H over for a rookie min. So what would you want the knicks to do? Waive goodbye?

Your assumption is that DWill is going to want $10M per? For me, even with cap of $89M, that is overpaying by about $5M.

martin wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:If the Knicks signed a FA(Batum) to a salary starting at $19m how much would you want the knicks to try to keep D.Will? Yes, he has to continue to play like he has been. Would you stretch Calderon to give him $10m and try to get AA to resign for a 120% increase? Another option would be to trade O'Quinn for peanuts and try to being Willy H over for a rookie min. So what would you want the knicks to do? Waive goodbye?

Your assumption is that DWill is going to want $10M per? For me, even with cap of $89M, that is overpaying by about $5M.

I offer DWill the %20 raise we can give him - so up to $6M annually. IF we can get Batum, my priority is to keep one of AAA or DWill - not necessarily both.