nique is an HOFer but melo is so much more talented than nique and now he has finally decided to exercise that differentiating talent.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think Melo was PISSED when they drafted KP. He was thinking "Project". He wanted someone more for now. Then when he actually saw what KP was capable of in workouts, a bright light went up in his head. He realized Phil knew what he was doing. Remember, Melo's friends have been traded recently. JR Smith, Shump and Hardaway all guys Melo loved. All sent packing by Phil. In a way Melo was thinking, maybe I'm not in the plans. As much as he denied saying that stuff after the draft that was reported, I think something was definitely said that his people leaked to the media.

Anyway point is. Kristaps showed Melo that Phil truly was invested in both the longterm and present. It got him to buy in more. I mean you look at it from Melo's perspective at the start of the season. Lopez, Afflalo, Calderon, DWill, rookie Porzingis. What the heck am I playing with? Nothing better than before. Another 60 loss season coming. But then when he actually played with them he saw what was possible, what the team was doing and he immediately knew he had a solid team with a great young player in the making. He bought in and jumped on the wagon.

respectfully disagree... for one thing we learned that Melo pretty knew the Knicks were drafting KP. He attended KP's workout with Mills and asked him if he thought there was a chance the Knicks take him. Mills said "if he is there expect we DO take him."
That exchange has been verified.

Also remember Melo was organizing player workouts before training camp (his private workout facility + Puerto Rico) so he was assuming the leadership role before the team got together.

I think what we are seeing is less cause and effect, and more several things coming together. Melo got some perspective after his first extended time off the court. Melo was commited to being a leader before the roster was built. The roster turned out to be pretty good with some nice vets, good defenders and a rookie phenom who fits beautifully on the court next to Melo and Rolo. Phil Jackson promised a culture change and the only guy he's kept is Melo. Those culture changes are happening right in front of our eyes. Melo was ready. Dolan was ready. Phil put it together and he is the architect, but damn if he didnt get Melo to bring his game to a new level. Great story for Knick fans.

provide a link then.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14262815/after-lost-decade-knicks-find-right-path

Carmelo Anthony was at the Knicks' practice facility, rehabbing from knee surgery, when a skinny teenager from Latvia arrived for a pre-draft workout. Anthony watched Kristaps Porzingis shoot, and turned to Steve Mills, the Knicks' general manager, with a question, Mills recalled in a chat with ESPN.com last week:

"Do you think we may draft this kid?"

The question could have implied a lot of things -- including the frustration a 31-year-old with aching knees might feel about the franchise, his franchise, banking his NBA twilight on an unknown not far removed from a regrettable cornrows phase. Mills decided total honestly was the best way to push through any tension. "Carmelo," Mills said, "if he's there, we probably will draft him."

I know its not as concrete as SAS and Berman's posts on Melo's "feelings" that you and the hater crowd yanked your pud to all summer... its only a direct quote and all.

Must be a strange feeling for some... so much time and energy invested into hating a player and making up one stupid thing after another only to not only be proven dead wrong, but see that player elevate the entire team.

You can alway switch gears as some and now declare you always knew he could but just hated him because you always knew he could and didnt earlier... because he was everything you said he was at the time. Good twist. Cute.

I think you were one of the guys hoping he just walked? Addition by subtraction? I have that right? Yawn.... welcome back. Enjoy the basketball.

thanks for the link.

it's a pre-draft workout exchange which happened on june 22nd.
the knicks drafted kp6 on june 25th.
according to "sources close to melo," that same night he informed his buddy tim hardaway junior by phone that he was displeased with the pick that same night, june 25th. why would a friend of melo's make this up? do you think this was something that one of melo's friends made up? if so, why? do you believe melo said he was displeased? his history of foot-in-mouth disease would lead folks with common sense to say he did express his unhappiness.

anyway, a firestorm ensued, forcing melo to retract the statement. happily, kp has far exceeded everyone's expectations, and has been the catalyst for the team in general.

all i asked for was a link. it's anecdotal evidence, no more and no less valid than anything else that gets out there.

why gratuitously spew your garbage?

why spew my garbage? Because its NOT garbage. That would be what others spew. A quote from directly from a GM is NOT "anecdotal evidence" but IS more valuable that an unnamed source from a tabloid. Please I need one of your reminders how smart you are... now would be a good time.

Melo retracted the statement? Link please?

i asked for a link. you provided one; you could have stopped there. but instead you decide to start an argument, speaking to me disrespectfully and hurling one insult after another.

we have not had a cross word all season, so again i ask why the gratuitous aggression?

agression? Disrespect? Nice try. Go back and read my words again... sarcasm yes. Insults? Is there some part of this back and forth I am missing on? No.. insulting was wasting our time with your Melo is a cancer rambling all summer (while he was organizing private workouts with Knick players unkown to you). Insulting is suggesting the info you were working with was solid, when in fact it was as anecdotal as can be.

Not sure I see the disrespect. Did you spout a ton of Melo-garbage based on tabloid anecdotal reports this summer? Yes you did. Were you dead wrong? Well the truth has surfaced has it not? What is telling is that you are more interested in damage control like with your anecdotal comment than simply saying you were wrong about this player.

Here endeth the lesson. Once again.

Now we will revert to waiting for the next 4 game losing streak when we can emerge triumphantly from the ashes, spouting non-linked "sources", economic impact analyses showing inescapably that Me70 is on a par with drafting Fred Weis, and advanced statistical models showing conclusively that Melo should be playing ball only in a fictional pre-shot clock era ABA.

In keeping it all basketball, all the time, we will then throw in a few Bill Russell/Wilt Chamberlain references that we will make up.

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:interesting that pop said that this year and never before (as far as I can remember).

Just. Stop.

That's almost as bad as the OP.

thanks for cutting out half my post to fit your required context

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:interesting that pop said that this year and never before (as far as I can remember).

Just. Stop.

That's almost as bad as the OP.

thanks for cutting out half my post to fit your required context

mreinman wrote:interesting that pop said that this year and never before (as far as I can remember).

nique is an HOFer but melo is so much more talented than nique and now he has finally decided to exercise that differentiating talent.

Just. Stop.

The full post is as bad as the half-quote and almost as bad as the OP.

you don't like it move on son

crzymdups wrote:Has anyone pointed out to the OP that in the same press conference where he praised KP - after being prompted to praise him - Pop, without prompting, called Melo a hall of fame player and said that their entire game plan on the last play was to make sure Melo didn't shoot?

He praised them both. Because they are both very good.

No controversy here except for people with imaginary score boards in their heads.

they also cut out where he said that jimmer could be a future HOFer.

crzymdups wrote:Has anyone pointed out to the OP that in the same press conference where he praised KP - after being prompted to praise him - Pop, without prompting, called Melo a hall of fame player and said that their entire game plan on the last play was to make sure Melo didn't shoot?

Yes!

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:interesting that pop said that this year and never before (as far as I can remember).

Just. Stop.

That's almost as bad as the OP.

thanks for cutting out half my post to fit your required context

mreinman wrote:interesting that pop said that this year and never before (as far as I can remember).

nique is an HOFer but melo is so much more talented than nique and now he has finally decided to exercise that differentiating talent.

Just. Stop.

The full post is as bad as the half-quote and almost as bad as the OP.

you don't like it move on son

Like you move on from Briggs' fixations?

Like that you mean?

yeah ... i actually enjoy that so I'm good.

Likewise, I enjoy pointing out the notion that Gregg Popovich has just begun considering a 13-year vet a Hall of Fame player (which is a rare, culmulative honor) after the last 8?/20?/40? games is ridiculous and symptomatic of a particular fixation.

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Has anyone pointed out to the OP that in the same press conference where he praised KP - after being prompted to praise him - Pop, without prompting, called Melo a hall of fame player and said that their entire game plan on the last play was to make sure Melo didn't shoot?

Yes!

Excellent.

Also, here's some high praise for KP from a future hall of famer... Melo.

Remember the heady days of summer, when the whole hep basketball world immediately came to the conclusion that Melo would never accept the lanky young Latvian, that one of them (almost certainly Melo) would have to go?

It hasn't quite gone that way, has it? Instead, Melo speaks of Porzingis in fatherly tones: "He's gonna lead this organization long after I'm retired. Hopefully we can hoist one or two [championship trophies] before that happens.''

Anyone who has watched these two on the court can see their relationship extends beyond mere words. Their chemistry is undeniable. Only point guard Jose Calderon (37 times) has assisted on more Kristaps buckets than Melo (29 times). New York is rock-solid (+3.8 net rating) when the two share the court, utterly incompetent (-7.1 net rating) when Melo plays alone and somehow even worse (-10.3 net rating) when Kristaps plays alone. These guys need each other; most importantly, they understand that they need each other.

Of course Melo is going to praise him, KP's the reason he's playing at this level and getting these accolades!

You don't think he's heard the whispers around the league the last 2 incompetent seasons? SHEESH, so much ball washing going on here!

jrodmc wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Has anyone pointed out to the OP that in the same press conference where he praised KP - after being prompted to praise him - Pop, without prompting, called Melo a hall of fame player and said that their entire game plan on the last play was to make sure Melo didn't shoot?

Yes!

Excellent.

Also, here's some high praise for KP from a future hall of famer... Melo.

Remember the heady days of summer, when the whole hep basketball world immediately came to the conclusion that Melo would never accept the lanky young Latvian, that one of them (almost certainly Melo) would have to go?

It hasn't quite gone that way, has it? Instead, Melo speaks of Porzingis in fatherly tones: "He's gonna lead this organization long after I'm retired. Hopefully we can hoist one or two [championship trophies] before that happens.''

Anyone who has watched these two on the court can see their relationship extends beyond mere words. Their chemistry is undeniable. Only point guard Jose Calderon (37 times) has assisted on more Kristaps buckets than Melo (29 times). New York is rock-solid (+3.8 net rating) when the two share the court, utterly incompetent (-7.1 net rating) when Melo plays alone and somehow even worse (-10.3 net rating) when Kristaps plays alone. These guys need each other; most importantly, they understand that they need each other.

Of course Melo is going to praise him, KP's the reason he's playing at this level and getting these accolades!

You don't think he's heard the whispers around the league the last 2 incompetent seasons? SHEESH, so much ball washing going on here!

Chucky, seriously, can't mommy just go buy you another kitten? It was just an accident, I'm sure Melo didn't mean to run over it.

As long as Melo continues to dish the rock, he can go bang my mommy as much as he likes!

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

mreinman wrote:interesting that pop said that this year and never before (as far as I can remember).

Just. Stop.

That's almost as bad as the OP.

thanks for cutting out half my post to fit your required context

mreinman wrote:interesting that pop said that this year and never before (as far as I can remember).

nique is an HOFer but melo is so much more talented than nique and now he has finally decided to exercise that differentiating talent.

Just. Stop.

The full post is as bad as the half-quote and almost as bad as the OP.

you don't like it move on son

Like you move on from Briggs' fixations?

Like that you mean?

yeah ... i actually enjoy that so I'm good.

Wait; BRIGGS??? I thought you were going out with nixluva? As the mreinman turns...

tsk tsk tsk