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1/11/2016  9:06 AM
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SAS is the biggest a-hole around. At least Bob Page was kinda funny from time to time.

I will enjoy over the years all these SAS little snippets of him trashing what hopefully becomes one of the NBA's elite players. Imagine KP an Garnett MVP type player? Those SAS snips will never get old.

SAS is going to have to accept hearing this for the rest of KP's All Star career and I get the feeling he will enjoy it. lol

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1/11/2016  9:08 AM
I think everyone's fear was Bargnani 2.0
Bargs was a good shooter. Could create off the dribble. Nice skill but not really a defender, shotblocker, above the rim player.
What you see with Porzingis is Bargnani type of offense right away, only with greater athleticism, much better defense, rebounding, etc.

He truly understood the label that came with soft Euro bigs. They'll just stick outside and shoot jumpers. Won't defend. Won't fight for boards. Low to moderate motor. Won't block shots. All these things Porzingis excels in AND does the Euro big man skill thing as well. In a way he's everything teams were hoping Bargnani would be in 2006.

Last 5 games - 17.2 ppg on 51.4 TS% (adjusted FG for 3 pointers). That's 2nd option numbers - and no surprise we were 4-1 with just 1 loss that came down to a Calderon open 3 pointer miss to win the game @ San Antonio.
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1/11/2016  9:43 AM
dk7th wrote:
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At least KP turned this youngster's life around.

this is the little boy from draft night taking a selfie of his displeasure?
Yup. That's the little selfie taking brat. Where is his dad?
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1/11/2016  9:52 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I agree that KP6 has a lot to do with it. However, PJax built a veteran team of smart high IQ players and it is paying off.

KP is better because of who is surrounding him.

It is a great start and they are a team now. PJax has changed the culture. He deserves much of the credt if not all.

Bingo. Agree completely with all this. Surrounding KP with the right type of team has helped him so much.

I'll never forget when I saw a David Lee quote from the last year or so, reflecting on his rookie season with the Knicks. He said Malik Rose would come up to he and Channing Frye after games and practices and say "It's not supposed to be this way. It's supposed to be better than this. Hang in there."

Imagine the difference between what DLee or Frye experienced as a rookie vs what KP is getting from the likes of Melo, Rolo, Calderon, Lance, Langston, Fish, Phil, Afflalo, even Sasha. Have to think this is helping guys like DWill and hopefully Grant, too.

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1/11/2016  9:55 AM
StarksEwing1 wrote:We all know the past 15 years has sucked. However drafting KP has given this team a major boost for now and the future. I admit i was pissed when we fell to 4 but it turns out it was a big gift for us...finally

After years of things just not falling in the right direction for us we finally get something good in dropping to 4 and getting KP. How nice is it to know that we have a 20 year old soon to be superstar to take over for Melo in 4/5 years? This is a kid that's humble and a kid that other big time players will want to come play with like it was 10/12 years ago. We lost that it's New York City and Madison Square Garden where players wanted to come play many years ago but we could be getting that back.

WE CAN FINALLY SEE A BRIGHT FUTURE AGAIN FOR OUR NEW YORK KNICKS.
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1/11/2016  9:59 AM
mreinman wrote:don't think I would give him the credit though he gets some.

getting melo to play this type of ball turned this team around and that is the runnaway top reason.

Well said. I'll see some people say that this is turning into KP's team but i don't believe that and still see it as Melo's team and think it will be Melo's team for the rest of his contract. Obviously KP brings the excitement with his put back dunks and his blocked shots and 3 point range but without Melo changing his game to finally make players around him better we wouldn't be playing this well. It will be KP's team in the not so distant future but as of now this is Melo's team.
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1/11/2016  10:04 AM
dk7th wrote:if kp were not as impactful as he is then melo does not change his game. melo had another great game but kp has been the catalyst.

I see what you're saying but even though some won't agree i think Melo was starting to change his game last year and i think it's Phil that deserves the credit for that. There was a ton of talk about Melo having to change his game when we brought Phil in and Phil and Melo spoke about that many times and the reason why it wasn't as noticeable last year was because of the talent he had around him and that he obviously only played the first half of the year. Obviously KP is making it easier for Melo to make the change but i give the most credit to Phil.
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1/11/2016  10:13 AM
WaltLongmire wrote:

At least KP turned this youngster's life around.

Hahaha that's great but i put the blame for that draft day booing from the kid on his dad but great pic.
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1/11/2016  10:15 AM
wargames wrote:

Just think before the Draft Monroe was the big target and we're so much better because he went somewhere else.

It's interesting how Monroe and his agent stated he chose Milwaukee because they were more ready to compete now. While Milwaukee's future is still very bright, there is no question that NY has a more competitive group at this point in time. Milwaukee seemed to have taken an inevitable step back from a great overachieving season last year. Sometimes that happens, and unfortunately the new big player (Monroe) will be the one many blame. Sometimes it better to join a team that had a bad year but seems on the upswing so you can become associated with the improvement, than a team that played so well the previous year that improvement will be much more difficult.
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1/11/2016  10:15 AM
NYKBocker wrote:
dk7th wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:

At least KP turned this youngster's life around.

this is the little boy from draft night taking a selfie of his displeasure?
Yup. That's the little selfie taking brat. Where is his dad?

I said a few months back that it would be great if KP took a picture with the kid. Shows what a class act Porzingis is. Give the kid a break, barely out of kindergarden, took a lot of heat (worldwide) for that one moment.
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1/11/2016  10:19 AM
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dk7th wrote:if kp were not as impactful as he is then melo does not change his game. melo had another great game but kp has been the catalyst.

I see what you're saying but even though some won't agree i think Melo was starting to change his game last year and i think it's Phil that deserves the credit for that. There was a ton of talk about Melo having to change his game when we brought Phil in and Phil and Melo spoke about that many times and the reason why it wasn't as noticeable last year was because of the talent he had around him and that he obviously only played the first half of the year. Obviously KP is making it easier for Melo to make the change but i give the most credit to Phil.

Some around here enjoy blaming Melo for everything. One of the constant retorts in Melo's defense was a poor supporting cast, which was Melo's fault in the first place for FORCING HIS WAY HERE. Funny... the team is much better and what a shock.. so is Melo.

So while Melo forced his way here and in doing so created a bad situation, its really nice to see him build the roster up, get us a star prospect and make things easier for the new regime by leading by example. Great to see MElo's 180 turnaround, rebuild the roster, fix the rotation, instill the coaching staff with brains, courage and heart... everything. Its been fantastic.

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1/11/2016  10:21 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I agree that KP6 has a lot to do with it. However, PJax built a veteran team of smart high IQ players and it is paying off.

KP is better because of who is surrounding him.

It is a great start and they are a team now. PJax has changed the culture. He deserves much of the credt if not all.

I agree. Phil did what nobody thought he could do and did it the right way. To take a team that was in complete cap hellz and turn it around as quick as he did is almost impossible cause it usually takes 3/4 years at least to get to the point we're at, now i know the rebuild isn't finished obviously but we're close. If we could get that one player which i think needs to be a point guard or a combo guard and i think most of us think that then we would be a team ready to contend for deep playoff runs and maybe even championship run if we get the right guard.
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1/11/2016  10:23 AM
Anyone watching the Nets owner on NBAtv do his press conference??
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1/11/2016  10:29 AM
Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.
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1/11/2016  10:37 AM
fishmike wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:
dk7th wrote:if kp were not as impactful as he is then melo does not change his game. melo had another great game but kp has been the catalyst.

I see what you're saying but even though some won't agree i think Melo was starting to change his game last year and i think it's Phil that deserves the credit for that. There was a ton of talk about Melo having to change his game when we brought Phil in and Phil and Melo spoke about that many times and the reason why it wasn't as noticeable last year was because of the talent he had around him and that he obviously only played the first half of the year. Obviously KP is making it easier for Melo to make the change but i give the most credit to Phil.

Some around here enjoy blaming Melo for everything. One of the constant retorts in Melo's defense was a poor supporting cast, which was Melo's fault in the first place for FORCING HIS WAY HERE. Funny... the team is much better and what a shock.. so is Melo.

So while Melo forced his way here and in doing so created a bad situation, its really nice to see him build the roster up, get us a star prospect and make things easier for the new regime by leading by example. Great to see MElo's 180 turnaround, rebuild the roster, fix the rotation, instill the coaching staff with brains, courage and heart... everything. Its been fantastic.

Yeah, it's really all on Melo. I mean, who would have thought he was capable of anything like this, when all the high bb iq on this site was informing us for years how we were going to watch Denver win multiple rings with all our invaluable yoots while we spent season after season inhabiting the NBA meaninglessness room until the Me70 Brand ran off into the night with some other franchise's money?

It's almost sad that it's come to this.

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1/11/2016  10:44 AM
newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.

Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!
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1/11/2016  11:07 AM
fitzfarm wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.

Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!

Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....
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1/11/2016  11:08 AM
fishmike wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.

Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!

Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....

of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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1/11/2016  11:14 AM
mreinman wrote:
fishmike wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.

Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!

Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....

of course this team is not as good but this is definitely a much better melo

we dont have a guard like Billups, but Rolo/KP/AA are certainly on a par with Nene/KMart/DJones

Yea.. Billups >>> Calderon, but this Melo is >>> than that 24 year old Melo

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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1/11/2016  11:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/11/2016  11:17 AM
fishmike wrote:
fitzfarm wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:Last 8 games Melo is averaging 24+ points--10+ rebounds--5+ assists......impressive.

Phil, and fish finally got through to Melo. If he keeps this up he's no longer just a star, he's a superstar, making the team and the players around him better ala MJ,Kobe. We might be seeing melo's greatest act yet!

Best ball I have seen him play. The question is how good can this team be? Is this better than the Denver team that lost to the Lakers in the conf finals? That was MElo, Billups, KMart, Nene, Dahntay Jones and JR was a great 6th man....

He's doing what top 10 players/MVP guys do. Score, but also lead the team in assists. He's drawing the defensive attention and then making passes. Lebron, Harden, Curry etc. all do this on a nightly basis. Melo is playing like a top 5-10 player in the league these last few weeks. I don't expect him to always play this well, but he needs to play with the same mindset and trust. He's starting to get "it" sort of like when a young Kobe began to understand how to balance his scoring game with making plays for teammates. I can't believe I'm saying this, but he's passing and playing like a similar player to Lebron James. I mean 24/10/5 is only something you see from LBJ. No one should ever doubt the importance of the Triangle culture and a superstar ever again. It's a must for scoring wings like Jordan, Kobe, Melo etc.
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