nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?

We go for the best player available.

BRIGGS wrote:The downside of this team is offensive futility from the guard position. To me Greene who is long for a pg fits the bill for this particular team

I like e-Green Briggs but if you really look at combination of Calderon/Grant the one thing neither can do (right now)is defend.

A guy like Murry wouldn't be brought in to be the answer but he would provide us something we sorely lack right now --- the ability to defend the PG position.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?

We go for the best player available.

That's very subjective and I don't think much separates most of the better played in D League! Each of the guards are pretty close but each has a specific combination of talents. I think Murry has useful physical talent that could be useful to help the defense and still be decent offensively.

Elliot Williams may be an even better option as he's more of a scorer while also being good defensively. Neither has experience in the Triangle like Jimmer who could step right in offensively but isn't the same Physically big guard or defender.

Everything we say on this board is subjective. Have to see something in a player that separates them from the rest, or its not worth bringing them up.

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?

We go for the best player available.

That's very subjective and I don't think much separates most of the better played in D League! Each of the guards are pretty close but each has a specific combination of talents. I think Murry has useful physical talent that could be useful to help the defense and still be decent offensively.

Elliot Williams may be an even better option as he's more of a scorer while also being good defensively. Neither has experience in the Triangle like Jimmer who could step right in offensively but isn't the same Physically big guard or defender.

Everything we say on this board is subjective. Have to see something in a player that separates them from the rest, or its not worth bringing them up.

You're not really making sense. It's not about what we say on the board that's subjective! I was talking about the Knicks deciding between different top D League guards. You suggest simply picky the BEST player but making that determination isn't black n white. There is more to consider than just a pure talent or numbers evaluation as to who is the best player. There's also the best FIT for the team and their needs that must be considered. So it's not as simplistic as you make it sound.

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?

We go for the best player available.

That's very subjective and I don't think much separates most of the better played in D League! Each of the guards are pretty close but each has a specific combination of talents. I think Murry has useful physical talent that could be useful to help the defense and still be decent offensively.

Elliot Williams may be an even better option as he's more of a scorer while also being good defensively. Neither has experience in the Triangle like Jimmer who could step right in offensively but isn't the same Physically big guard or defender.

Everything we say on this board is subjective. Have to see something in a player that separates them from the rest, or its not worth bringing them up.

You're not really making sense. It's not about what we say on the board that's subjective! I was talking about the Knicks deciding between different top D League guards. You suggest simply picky the BEST player but making that determination isn't black n white. There is more to consider than just a pure talent or numbers evaluation as to who is the best player. There's also the best FIT for the team and their needs that must be considered. So it's not as simplistic as you make it sound.

Of course choosing between players is subjective, what else would it be? You keep repeating the obvious. We need help on offense and defense, if we have two PGs, I want whoever is best at their specialty. Wont know about fit until they're plugged in.

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?

We go for the best player available.

That's very subjective and I don't think much separates most of the better played in D League! Each of the guards are pretty close but each has a specific combination of talents. I think Murry has useful physical talent that could be useful to help the defense and still be decent offensively.

Elliot Williams may be an even better option as he's more of a scorer while also being good defensively. Neither has experience in the Triangle like Jimmer who could step right in offensively but isn't the same Physically big guard or defender.

Everything we say on this board is subjective. Have to see something in a player that separates them from the rest, or its not worth bringing them up.

You're not really making sense. It's not about what we say on the board that's subjective! I was talking about the Knicks deciding between different top D League guards. You suggest simply picky the BEST player but making that determination isn't black n white. There is more to consider than just a pure talent or numbers evaluation as to who is the best player. There's also the best FIT for the team and their needs that must be considered. So it's not as simplistic as you make it sound.

and we don't have a clue who they think would be the best player for our (their) team.

That's the funny thing about all the arguing we do with each other about who we think is the better player for us in that we have zero idea of what they're looking for or what they're looking for out of a player. LOL

yeah that is why I hate speculating on things like this. I would rather talk about what is going on now and about what we already know and think we understand.

Take Lance Thomas, nobody besides a few liars saw that coming.

GustavBahler wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?

We go for the best player available.

That's very subjective and I don't think much separates most of the better played in D League! Each of the guards are pretty close but each has a specific combination of talents. I think Murry has useful physical talent that could be useful to help the defense and still be decent offensively.

Elliot Williams may be an even better option as he's more of a scorer while also being good defensively. Neither has experience in the Triangle like Jimmer who could step right in offensively but isn't the same Physically big guard or defender.

Everything we say on this board is subjective. Have to see something in a player that separates them from the rest, or its not worth bringing them up.

You're not really making sense. It's not about what we say on the board that's subjective! I was talking about the Knicks deciding between different top D League guards. You suggest simply picky the BEST player but making that determination isn't black n white. There is more to consider than just a pure talent or numbers evaluation as to who is the best player. There's also the best FIT for the team and their needs that must be considered. So it's not as simplistic as you make it sound.

and we don't have a clue who they think would be the best player for our (their) team.

That's the funny thing about all the arguing we do with each other about who we think is the better player for us in that we have zero idea of what they're looking for or what they're looking for out of a player. LOL

yeah that is why I hate speculating on things like this. I would rather talk about what is going on now and about what we already know and think we understand.

Take Lance Thomas, nobody besides a few liars saw that coming.

I saw it when he was in high school, forgot to mention it.

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mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?

We go for the best player available.

That's very subjective and I don't think much separates most of the better played in D League! Each of the guards are pretty close but each has a specific combination of talents. I think Murry has useful physical talent that could be useful to help the defense and still be decent offensively.

Elliot Williams may be an even better option as he's more of a scorer while also being good defensively. Neither has experience in the Triangle like Jimmer who could step right in offensively but isn't the same Physically big guard or defender.

Everything we say on this board is subjective. Have to see something in a player that separates them from the rest, or its not worth bringing them up.

You're not really making sense. It's not about what we say on the board that's subjective! I was talking about the Knicks deciding between different top D League guards. You suggest simply picky the BEST player but making that determination isn't black n white. There is more to consider than just a pure talent or numbers evaluation as to who is the best player. There's also the best FIT for the team and their needs that must be considered. So it's not as simplistic as you make it sound.

and we don't have a clue who they think would be the best player for our (their) team.

That's not true we have a clue since we know the likely targets. My issue with Gustavbahler is that he said we should take the "BEST player available" period. This would be an Objective decision in other words pick the best measurable player! He then says "have to see something in a player that separates them from rest", which again isn't subjective or based on fit for what we need!

Those suggesting Murry aren't doing so based on him being the BEST player of all the options from a purely measurable talent determination. He's not the best talent in terms of production. He has the right kind of size, length, defensive game and temperament for the role as we have come to know about what Phil tends to like.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

nixluva wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Have no memory of Murray since he was last here. Unless he took a Lance Thomas type leap in his game, Id rather look for unmined talent elsewhere.

Well he certainly looks 100% more confident in his jumper. He clearly worked on that part of his game. IMO adding him is about bolstering the Defense more than anything. We would have the ability to put some really tough defensive lineups together. I'm not expecting any superstars to come in on 10 day contracts. Just want to improve the team incrementally. There are some decent options out there. Most will have some flaws in one area or another.

Who is?

The F'n point is that we will have to choose which strength is more important since most lower tier players tend to give you more strength on one side of the ball. Do we go for a strong defender or scorer?

We go for the best player available.

That's very subjective and I don't think much separates most of the better played in D League! Each of the guards are pretty close but each has a specific combination of talents. I think Murry has useful physical talent that could be useful to help the defense and still be decent offensively.

Elliot Williams may be an even better option as he's more of a scorer while also being good defensively. Neither has experience in the Triangle like Jimmer who could step right in offensively but isn't the same Physically big guard or defender.

Everything we say on this board is subjective. Have to see something in a player that separates them from the rest, or its not worth bringing them up.

You're not really making sense. It's not about what we say on the board that's subjective! I was talking about the Knicks deciding between different top D League guards. You suggest simply picky the BEST player but making that determination isn't black n white. There is more to consider than just a pure talent or numbers evaluation as to who is the best player. There's also the best FIT for the team and their needs that must be considered. So it's not as simplistic as you make it sound.

and we don't have a clue who they think would be the best player for our (their) team.

That's not true we have a clue since we know the likely targets. My issue with Gustavbahler is that he said we should take the "BEST player available" period. This would be an Objective decision in other words pick the best measurable player! He then says "have to see something in a player that separates them from rest", which again isn't subjective or based on fit for what we need!

Those suggesting Murry aren't doing so based on him being the BEST player of all the options from a purely measurable talent determination. He's not the best talent in terms of production. He has the right kind of size, length, defensive game and temperament for the role as we have come to know about what Phil tends to like.

you also said that wrotten is exactly what we need

This is what I said when Philly 1st released Wroten.

nixluva wrote:WTF? I wonder why they would do that? I like Wroten a LOT! He's always been on my list of aggressive attacking guards I think we need. He's not a shooter or floor general but he's so good at driving and finishing or drawing fouls! I wonder if he's on Phil's radar?

nixluva wrote:A healthy Wroten fits this style which rewards cutters and quick drives to the hoop! Think of all the fast break situations and passed up drives Jose wasted. Wrote would thrive in those scenarios. He's still got holes in his game but I like his fit for what this team lacks.