fwk00 wrote:Obviously the Knicks have lost some games that could have been W's. And a few of the recent games have been rough.Something that distorts the discussion are comparisons of say the GSW and the Knicks - Kerr and Fisher - Phil's championship team and this first year of actual rebuild - our championship Knicks teams and this one.
What gets lost is that this is truly the first full Phil/Fisher team to see the court. And all great teams need years of playing and maturing together before everything is second-nature. The first half of the year this year is nothing less than training wheels.
There's a clever saying that whether or not you see the glass half full of wine or half empty there's always room for more. There's room for more talent on this Knicks roster. But there's room for more patience on the part of the fans as well. Galloway is just now approaching a full first year of NBA experience. Grant is just a kid. Only LT, Galloway, and Lou played extended minutes together last year.
In context, while the record could be better, the Knicks at their best have shown some great potential. It should also be noted that Daniel Kahneman who studied happiness and memory observed that the memory of an event is usually most influenced by the last experience. For example, a pleasant vacation can be remembered negatively because of a trivial accident at the end of the vacation. Likewise, the recent poor showings (against tough opponents no less) exaggerate the poor quality of team play over the first 2/5's of the season. In other words, we should take a deep breath instead of rant the "I told you so..." yarns.
Part of Fisher's problem is that he has a LOT of movable pieces. He's trying to do a number of sometimes contradictory things such as reward deserving players with playing time, win, showcase expendable players, teach, recognize chemistry patterns, and so on in real time with new personnel against better and different opponents. He has zero chance to succeed every night.
Phil has similar issues. The roster needs better balance and better talent but there's no magic wand and plenty of nasty consequences in many hasty or impulsive moves.
It looks as though either Brandon Jennings is unimpressive or that Phil is softening up the market asking price. In the mean time, Jimmer is being groomed in much the same fashion as Gallo was and that may relieve some concerns and soon under-performing teams will be retooling by jettisoning useful talent to better and more practical destinations.
Reinforcements should be arriving soon.
I agree. I find it funny how soon we forget just how bad things were and how far this team has come. Despite the record they are not that far off. The Knicks are still within striking distance of the playoffs. A few key moves could make a big difference to this team. I wouldn't expect Phil to sacrifice the future and really that isn't necessary to make enough of an improvement in the team to make it more competitive IMO.
Right now we simply aren't getting enough production from PG. The SG spot is passable. They aren't great and they aren't bad either. Jose should be a lower minute back up and we really need a PG that can at least play at a level that is competitive with other NBA PG's from defensive standpoint and in terms of pushing the ball and getting to the rim. Jose is actually not terrible, but he doesn't provide the specific needs of the team in the areas I mentioned above. He's too old and too limited for starting minutes.
Just looking at the list of top PG's it's clear we can't expect top 10 to be walking thru the door, but hopefully we can get a PG that can give us better production in the needed areas that Jose lacks. Just looking at things it seems Phil should've perhaps taken a shot at a Jeremy Lin this summer. There really wasn't much of an opportunity for Phil to have signed a top level PG. Good PG's don't grow on trees and teams that have them aren't just giving them up for nothing. This is why people are talking about trades for Jennings or holding out for Conley.
Hollinger Stats - Estimated Wins Added - Qualified Point Guards
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
1 Russell Westbrook, OKC 33 34.4 .572 25.8 11.9 34.8 5.4 15.7 10.8 31.12 341.2 11.4
2 Stephen Curry, GS 30 34.8 .680 19.8 11.3 31.3 2.2 14.8 8.8 32.07 328.0 10.9
3 Kyle Lowry, TOR 34 35.9 .565 22.8 11.1 26.7 2.2 12.8 7.6 22.59 210.9 7.0
4 Chris Paul, LAC 29 32.2 .550 32.7 9.6 26.9 1.9 9.8 5.8 23.32 171.8 5.7
5 Reggie Jackson, DET 33 31.3 .537 22.8 11.0 30.6 2.9 11.9 7.2 21.84 167.3 5.6
6 John Wall, WSH 31 35.6 .522 29.8 13.2 29.1 2.3 11.0 6.5 21.03 165.3 5.5
Isaiah Thomas, BOS 32 32.4 .557 24.2 9.7 28.4 1.6 8.1 4.8 21.60 164.3 5.5
8 Damian Lillard, POR 29 36.5 .545 20.6 10.7 31.3 2.0 11.4 6.7 21.33 163.1 5.4
9 Eric Bledsoe, PHX 31 34.2 .557 21.9 12.7 27.2 1.9 11.5 6.6 21.00 158.0 5.3
10 Kemba Walker, CHA 32 35.3 .549 20.4 9.0 23.8 2.3 10.9 6.6 20.32 157.1 5.2RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
11 Mike Conley, MEM 34 31.9 .528 26.9 7.4 23.1 1.6 8.8 5.1 19.09 130.8 4.4
12 Tony Parker, SA 33 26.8 .590 29.1 9.2 21.5 1.4 8.4 5.1 19.78 116.0 3.9
13 Jeff Teague, ATL 31 29.5 .538 25.4 11.4 25.9 2.2 8.2 5.2 18.24 99.0 3.3
14 Brandon Knight, PHX 35 35.7 .525 19.1 12.5 25.6 2.2 9.7 5.9 16.09 95.0 3.2
15 Rajon Rondo, SAC 31 35.3 .497 41.4 14.5 21.4 3.6 16.0 9.8 16.70 93.1 3.1
16 Ricky Rubio, MIN 27 30.6 .483 42.2 11.5 20.3 3.4 14.3 8.9 18.23 89.0 3.0
17 Deron Williams, DAL 27 32.2 .537 26.7 10.2 22.0 0.9 9.8 5.4 16.25 68.2 2.3
18 Jarrett Jack, BKN 31 32.4 .509 31.5 12.9 22.8 1.0 14.2 7.4 15.28 64.2 2.1
Jrue Holiday, NO 26 23.5 .554 24.5 12.2 25.6 0.9 9.0 4.9 17.97 63.4 2.1
20 Ish Smith, NO/PHI 31 23.8 .468 32.3 10.3 22.1 2.5 13.2 7.8 16.42 59.8 2.0
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
Trey Burke, UTAH 31 23.8 .530 17.4 10.0 24.5 1.9 8.7 5.2 16.40 59.4 2.0
22 Jeremy Lin, CHA 30 25.5 .547 20.1 11.6 21.4 2.8 11.1 6.9 16.03 57.5 1.9
Zach LaVine, MIN 33 24.4 .514 17.4 10.8 27.3 2.6 12.1 7.4 15.63 55.6 1.9
24 Elfrid Payton, ORL 33 29.8 .471 29.3 11.5 22.2 3.5 10.0 6.7 14.74 54.9 1.8
Mario Chalmers, MIA/MEM 31 19.8 .560 22.8 13.1 18.4 2.0 11.3 6.5 16.99 54.8 1.8
Dennis Schroder, ATL 33 21.5 .496 25.8 10.8 25.7 1.9 10.9 6.4 16.15 54.4 1.8
Jordan Clarkson, LAL 32 32.0 .523 13.0 9.4 20.8 3.1 9.3 6.2 14.54 54.1 1.8
28 Ramon Sessions, WSH 31 21.2 .576 21.1 10.5 19.9 1.2 12.6 6.8 16.32 52.3 1.7
Darren Collison, SAC 27 29.0 .554 24.1 10.3 20.5 1.6 6.5 4.1 15.32 50.5 1.7
30 Patty Mills, SA 34 20.7 .559 22.7 8.6 18.3 1.7 8.6 5.4 15.69 49.2 1.6
RK PLAYER GP MPG TS% AST TO USG ORR DRR REBR PER VA EWA
M Carter-Williams, MIL 29 30.0 .501 26.4 14.9 23.0 3.6 13.7 8.7 14.68 47.8 1.6
32 Avery Bradley, BOS 30 31.9 .549 10.9 8.4 19.3 1.6 6.6 4.1 14.17 45.2 1.5
33 Shane Larkin, BKN 28 19.1 .540 32.7 12.5 18.9 1.4 11.4 6.3 16.30 42.3 1.4
Goran Dragic, MIA 31 32.2 .515 27.8 12.6 20.0 2.5 9.2 6.0 13.77 41.3 1.4
35 J.J. Barea, DAL 27 21.9 .541 27.8 11.2 23.2 1.8 6.9 4.4 15.50 39.7 1.3
Jose Calderon, NY 34 26.8 .612 34.9 9.3 12.9 1.3 10.3 5.9 13.92 39.7 1.3
37 Aaron Brooks, CHI 23 16.6 .550 19.9 9.2 24.5 3.3 8.8 6.1 16.93 33.7 1.1
George Hill, IND 29 34.8 .536 20.0 9.6 15.9 2.2 10.3 6.2 13.15 32.4 1.1
M Dellavedova, CLE 29 28.3 .564 36.0 10.8 16.2 1.7 7.4 4.6 13.58 31.7 1.1
40 Mo Williams, CLE 24 25.0 .557 23.0 12.8 22.2 0.8 10.5 5.7 14.37 30.2 1.0
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