mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

why did he never work on his jumpshot while in college for four years? can you explain that to me? and why didn't he learn how to use his off hand effectively and maintain his dribble? why are half of his passes when he has left his feet?

what's your explanation?

Why didn't kidd learn to shoot before his career was almost over? Rondo?

You think its so easy to become a consistent shooter? Do you know how many PG's, good PG's just could never shoot?

I love how people say "get in the Gym and learn to shoot, LT did". It is extremely difficult to become a consistent shooter in game speed.

shooting isn't easy and it doesn't get any easier the later in life you start trying to learn how in earnest.

right ... so whats your gripe?

conveyor belt ethos + personal expedience = lack of preparedness and underachievement

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If we took our time. Portis

So you've been talking up J.Anderson all this year until Portis has recently been playing well and now you're talking up Portis.

Remember this pretty distinctly because I looked at him after Briggs mentioned him. I thought he was a top 15 type talent, and was surprised to see him drop.

I don't think Portis was as consistently good as he could have been at Arkansas, but he was on a free-wheeling team that did not seem to have much discipline or any system on offense (fun to watch, though). Not sure he got all the touches that he would have gotten on another team.

WaltLongmire wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

Grant is going to have to enroll in the Lance Thomas School of Development. That 600 shot per day remedy works wonders for your shooting touch. He comes from a basketball family. Someone needs to attest to those ideas.

Agree with both posts. Jerian should be putting up 500 shots a day all summer. Maybe even in season.

So much of being a successful shooter has to do with confidence.

The confidence allows you to be a little more relaxed when you shoot, and allows the muscle memory from the 500/600 shots/day to kick in and take over. The hesitation and doubt you see with Grant is almost painful to watch at times.

We've see a few glimpses where he's looked confident, but these moments have been rare.

Hopefully this changes sooner rather than later...just have to have some patience with him.

Jerian doesn't want to be he reason the team loses and that fear is paralyzing. People really don't understand how it's a HUGE mental thing. Jerian worked hard in the summer and is a hard worker but it's more than that. We see KP working on his hook all the time and yet he still isn't comfortable enough to use it in games. It's sometimes tough to get your confidence back once you lose it. Especially for a rookie. Hopefully Jerian will eventually snap out of it and start to play like he can.

Bobby Portis was the steal of the draft
I kept wondering why he slipped as he was anywhere from a TOP 10 pick to mid teens, which I kept asking with no replies in the draft thread...

I mean we were very happy that we were able to get a draft pick for Tim Hardaway but I felt Portis could be a player of JO's caliber and would fit greatly in our system
In fact I wanted to sign former players like JO and Rasheed Wallace to work on KP and Portis had we drafted him, along with Ron Harper/Billups for our PG (along with combo guard Galloway)

Briggs was busy talking about Norman Powell, Justin Anderson, while I responded with Portis being the best player IMO
Once Portis put up numbers in the Summer League,

NixLuva was claiming he thought we drafted the 2nd best PG in the DRAFT in Grant

some liked the KP's buddy for our final draft pick, while a couple wanted Muddiay (while majority changed their minds prior to the draft for KP)

Hindsight is 20/20
I would not mind even trading Grant if we can get a good deal for him
I also wouldnt mind bringing adding more GRANTS in his brother, Jerami Grant, along with other Sixers like Ish Smith/Cannon, Covington, Jakarr Sampson, Holmes/Wood

I don't think Tim Hardaway is a bad player, I just don't think his would be anything more than a bench player...

Honestly, I would much rather have looked to sign a combination of PG's for value like

Ish Smith and Jeremy Lin, great value for the buck (both of which could be FA's again this summer)

Both of which (could basically be had for NOTHING, we could have signed LT and LA to vet mins and signed both players)

As a shooter like a young Mo Williams, I also like, Troy Daniels as a shooter with the ability good quickness or Isiah Cannnon

Tony Wroten *waived* if we take the time to allow him to get back in NBA shape on a cap friendly contract
There is also Russ Smith to consider that was waived recently

Buying "low" and acquiring great "value" talents, allows us to better spend our cap elsewhere, possibly be a STOP gap like Felton was suppose to be for us, the first time, and could even be trade bait if signed cheap...

There is also Mike James (the young one) along with other combo guards

Isiah Thomas II was the FINAL pick of the the draft and perhaps the BEST FINAL draft pick EVER in the NBA
I would like Thomas but he isn't a "PHil Jakcson PG" but could be a Derek Fisher PG

Would also look to add playmakers/ball handlers from other positions such as
Shabazz Muhammad (if we can trade for him, he hasn't been the same since his injury but he was a beast prior to it and he can be a triple threat if he gets back in shape and gets back his confidence
He simply doesn't get opportunities in Minny
There are many players that teams will eventually look to trade for with Twolves

Shabazz

Lance Stephenson/Evan Turner *UFA*

David Lee/Josh Smith *if they can be signed for cheap*

============

Battum is going to be cost a bit, possibly a near "max"
Along with Mike Conley

However, as the cap continues to go up in the next 2 years, I would prefer to look to acquire a PG 2 years from now with many possible FA's

RFA's in

Tyler Johnson
Ray Mccallum (ex King)
Spencer Dwinwiddie

Archie Goodwin if available, another Kentucky product

I wouldn't mind Jennings, However, I wouldn't look to acquire him for THIS season and use assets in the process
While I like how Affalo has played for us, I don't know if he will be worth a multiyear deal as he is over 30 and will only get slower, less athletic, etc...
Affalo is like a poor mans Kobe for us, a very poor mans Kobe, he could easily decline like RIP, Iverson, Marbury, Fred Jones, and 100000000 other NBA players past 30

RonRon wrote:
instantly DURING the draft (i made multiple posts, some of which were in one of the draft posts we had going LIVE)
Before, during, and after Summer League (before he put up huge numbers)

Bobby Portis was the steal of the draft
I kept wondering why he slipped as he was anywhere from a TOP 10 pick to mid teens, which I kept asking with no replies in the draft thread...

I mean we were very happy that we were able to get a draft pick for Tim Hardaway but I felt Portis could be a player of JO's caliber and would fit greatly in our system
In fact I wanted to sign former players like JO and Rasheed Wallace to work on KP and Portis had we drafted him, along with Ron Harper/Billups for our PG (along with combo guard Galloway)

Briggs was busy talking about Norman Powell, Justin Anderson, while I responded with Portis being the best player IMO
Once Portis put up numbers in the Summer League,

NixLuva was claiming he thought we drafted the 2nd best PG in the DRAFT in Grant

some liked the KP's buddy for our final draft pick, while a couple wanted Muddiay (while majority changed their minds prior to the draft for KP)

Hindsight is 20/20
I would not mind even trading Grant if we can get a good deal for him
I also wouldnt mind bringing adding more GRANTS in his brother, Jerami Grant, along with other Sixers like Ish Smith/Cannon, Covington, Jakarr Sampson, Holmes/Wood

I don't think Tim Hardaway is a bad player, I just don't think his would be anything more than a bench player...

Honestly, I would much rather have looked to sign a combination of PG's for value like

Ish Smith and Jeremy Lin, great value for the buck (both of which could be FA's again this summer)

Both of which (could basically be had for NOTHING, we could have signed LT and LA to vet mins and signed both players)

As a shooter like a young Mo Williams, I also like, Troy Daniels as a shooter with the ability good quickness or Isiah Cannnon

Tony Wroten *waived* if we take the time to allow him to get back in NBA shape on a cap friendly contract
There is also Russ Smith to consider that was waived recently

Buying "low" and acquiring great "value" talents, allows us to better spend our cap elsewhere, possibly be a STOP gap like Felton was suppose to be for us, the first time, and could even be trade bait if signed cheap...

There is also Mike James (the young one) along with other combo guards

Isiah Thomas II was the FINAL pick of the the draft and perhaps the BEST FINAL draft pick EVER in the NBA
I would like Thomas but he isn't a "PHil Jakcson PG" but could be a Derek Fisher PG

Would also look to add playmakers/ball handlers from other positions such as
Shabazz Muhammad (if we can trade for him, he hasn't been the same since his injury but he was a beast prior to it and he can be a triple threat if he gets back in shape and gets back his confidence
He simply doesn't get opportunities in Minny
There are many players that teams will eventually look to trade for with Twolves

Shabazz

Lance Stephenson/Evan Turner *UFA*

David Lee/Josh Smith *if they can be signed for cheap*

============

Battum is going to be cost a bit, possibly a near "max"
Along with Mike Conley

However, as the cap continues to go up in the next 2 years, I would prefer to look to acquire a PG 2 years from now with many possible FA's

RFA's in

Tyler Johnson
Ray Mccallum (ex King)
Spencer Dwinwiddie

Archie Goodwin if available, another Kentucky product

I wouldn't mind Jennings, However, I wouldn't look to acquire him for THIS season and use assets in the process
While I like how Affalo has played for us, I don't know if he will be worth a multiyear deal as he is over 30 and will only get slower, less athletic, etc...
Affalo is like a poor mans Kobe for us, a very poor mans Kobe, he could easily decline like RIP, Iverson, Marbury, Fred Jones, and 100000000 other NBA players past 30

You know posts like these are full of bunk. You wouldnt even know who Bobby Portis is if it wasnt for me. I had him ranked as high as 3 at one point during the regular season(when no one else even knew who the F he was). He wasnt going to be drafted 4 and my other picks were based on 2nd round assumptions in fact Bobby Portis wasn't on my radar as he shouldve been a later lottery pick Johnny come lately:) and we had no other picks going into draft.

CrushAlot wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:Some on here need to get some patience with not only Grant but this team. Grant is a kid coming from playing 4 years of college basketball and playing all 4 years in a certain system to having to learn a whole new offense and doing it with the pressure of playing for his first time in the NBA and in New York City for the New York Knicks so it's a ton of pressure for a rookie point guard especially having to learn an offense where so much is dependent on the point guard. It's gotta be a lot to take on for a kid but he seems like a very mature kid so i think he has a really good chance of getting his game right but we have to have patience with him.

why did he never work on his jumpshot while in college for four years? can you explain that to me? and why didn't he learn how to use his off hand effectively and maintain his dribble? why are half of his passes when he has left his feet?

what's your explanation?

He had an incredible pre-draft workout video where he was hitting his shots if I recall correctly. It was posted here a couple of times.

Here it is.

oh you mean the workout where no one is defending him? great we'll just ask the opposing team to sit down and watch grant dribble. sorry if i sound mad but these workouts dont mean jack. right now hardaway looks like a winner and phil looking like a loser for trading him, maybe next year things will be different

HofstraBBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Hindsight makes it easy to say we should have Traded Hardaway for Portis. Of course it would now prove to have been a great trade. However, my point was that trading what you know for a might be rookie is risky. Specially at the point guard position. Traditionally a very risky pick due to the many factors that go into becoming a succesful NBA point guard. Hardaway was a scorer and pretty good three point shooter, something we dearly need in our second unit. Yes he had deficiencies but you knew what they were. Not claiming Hardaway was a great plaer but at least he was not an unproven rookie. Would have preferred to trade him as part of a package for an experienced guard. Say, Lowry?

Not hindsight when quite a few viewed Portis as lottery talent. As far as Timmy for Grant, Hardaway was awful even in the one area he was supposedly good at.

Awful? In what sense? I am not saying he was a starter. We are comparing two bench players right?
So to say 11 points off bench is awful is juat a blanket unsupported opinion. Something rampant on the boards. He was nothing more than a good bench scorer. He did that. Grant is giving us what again?

wait ... are you saying that THJ was not awful? He was a good bench player? Points?

HofstraBBall wrote:

mreinman wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Hindsight makes it easy to say we should have Traded Hardaway for Portis. Of course it would now prove to have been a great trade. However, my point was that trading what you know for a might be rookie is risky. Specially at the point guard position. Traditionally a very risky pick due to the many factors that go into becoming a succesful NBA point guard. Hardaway was a scorer and pretty good three point shooter, something we dearly need in our second unit. Yes he had deficiencies but you knew what they were. Not claiming Hardaway was a great plaer but at least he was not an unproven rookie. Would have preferred to trade him as part of a package for an experienced guard. Say, Lowry?

Not hindsight when quite a few viewed Portis as lottery talent. As far as Timmy for Grant, Hardaway was awful even in the one area he was supposedly good at.

Awful? In what sense? I am not saying he was a starter. We are comparing two bench players right?
So to say 11 points off bench is awful is juat a blanket unsupported opinion. Something rampant on the boards. He was nothing more than a good bench scorer. He did that. Grant is giving us what again?

wait ... are you saying that THJ was not awful? He was a good bench player? Points?

As a player coming off the bench as offensive spark, yes. Compared to first year rookie, Grant, hell yes. Point of thread was to voice preference to keep a third year player that showed signs of offensive ability as oppose to a first year rookie point guard. One of the toughest positions to draft. As Grant is showing. Not necessary to get into a conversation to argue how good TH was or was not. But a third year player that showed signs of a offensive spark. Something currently lacking.

THJ was a terrible offensive player and possibly the worst defender in the league. Grant plays defense and has much more potential already and he is nothing at this point.