SocraticBallin22 wrote:Elliot Williams, Toure Murry, Erick Green, or even Jimmer Fredette would be HUGE upgrades for us at the point guard position compared to what we have right now and would instantly make our team better if given a real chance.

Elliot Williams is tearing up the D league with his scoring and has good size for a point guard. He will put immediate pressure on defenses from the pg position--something Calderon has not done once all year. He is an offensive threat that you have to defend.

Toure Murry will instantly make us a much better defensive team. He is a ball hound who can guard quick, athletic point guards. He is also a big guard who is hard to shoot over. His offensive skills have also greatly improved since he was on the Knicks.

Jimmer Fredette, like Elliot, will apply major pressure on defenses as being a scoring threat not afraid to shoot the ball. Erick Green is another really good scorer with decent size who is learning the pg position.

All these guys are instant upgrades over Jose and Gallo, in my opinion. But knowing the Knicks and Fisher, even if we did sign them, they would never get enough minutes to make a difference.

I think we almost can't lose by adding a couple of these guards mentioned above. Our guard play is simply so bad that anyone approaching league average level is gonna seem like an All Star level guard to us.

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SocraticBallin22 wrote:Elliot Williams, Toure Murry, Erick Green, or even Jimmer Fredette would be HUGE upgrades for us at the point guard position compared to what we have right now and would instantly make our team better if given a real chance.

Elliot Williams is tearing up the D league with his scoring and has good size for a point guard. He will put immediate pressure on defenses from the pg position--something Calderon has not done once all year. He is an offensive threat that you have to defend.

Toure Murry will instantly make us a much better defensive team. He is a ball hound who can guard quick, athletic point guards. He is also a big guard who is hard to shoot over. His offensive skills have also greatly improved since he was on the Knicks.

Jimmer Fredette, like Elliot, will apply major pressure on defenses as being a scoring threat not afraid to shoot the ball. Erick Green is another really good scorer with decent size who is learning the pg position.

All these guys are instant upgrades over Jose and Gallo, in my opinion. But knowing the Knicks and Fisher, even if we did sign them, they would never get enough minutes to make a difference.

Well if these guards are as good as you say they would earn their minutes. There's no way to keep a good player down if he gets on the floor and is getting it done. You think if Jerian was ballin out of his mind that he'd be stuck on the bench? It's not just the games but also in practice that coaches can see what players do. Sometimes we forget that.

I think we almost can't lose by adding a couple of these guards mentioned above. Our guard play is simply so bad that anyone approaching league average level is gonna seem like an All Star level guard to us.

Also, Shved seemed to be done as an nba player and then had a rebirth as a knick. If Phil can find a guy like that in a trade it would be great. I have to wonder if the Knicks look to move Seraphin to a team needing a big where he can get minutes. Also, Bachynski has looked a lot better this year in Westchester and could be an option as a third, fourth big man if a roster spot opened up.

I'm guessing Phil might feel most comfortable with one of the guards from the D League that knows the system. Unless he can get a guard that has such superior talent over the guys with the W Knicks that he's willing to deal with them not knowing the system.

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meloanyk wrote:Guys got to stop with give Grant a chance. He is nowhere close to ready and you dont piss away a season at this point. Knicks dont get in alot of practice time but Knick coaches know what they got and what they got in Early and Grant are two youngsters who are not good enough and/or not ready for NBA. Early may be closer but he has more competent bodies in front but it's Grant's fing mediocrity that has resulted in Sasha's being resused after being buried.

Forget Calderon .Does anyone here actually think Knicks would prefer to play a retread like Sasha before Grant ?????????????????????????

The video of Schved hurt. He wasnt perfect but he could play. Had some playground in him which was both entertaining and productive.He gave us a guard who could drive and dish. Would have gotten KP ball .Others will cite his career fg% but all I know is that this team would have been better off with him

Many of us wanted Shved back, but it didn't happen. Phil took a calculated risk and it backfired on him. I'm sure he realizes it now.

The key point is that I wanted to show how Shved played in the very same offense so that people could stop assuming that it's the Triangle that is holding Jerian back. At this point Phil has to look for additional talent in order to improve the team.

I wonder if he has an out for the nba

I'd have to wonder why he'd even want to come back!

Alexey Shved has signed a three-year deal with BC Khimki of Russia.

David Pick reports Shved signed a $10.2 million deal to make him the highest paid player overseas.

He's the difference in us being 18-14 rather than 14-18

We could've paid Coke Aldrich 1 mm from what we get from Lopez and paid Alex 4 mm

Shved and Cole aren't even close to what you think they are.

Scvhed is better than EVERY one of our guards and its NOT close! Cole A if give PT is just as good as Lopez.

LOL now I know you are off your rocker, Cole ain't anywhere near the player RoLo is, otherwise he'd get playing time.

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meloanyk wrote:Guys got to stop with give Grant a chance. He is nowhere close to ready and you dont piss away a season at this point. Knicks dont get in alot of practice time but Knick coaches know what they got and what they got in Early and Grant are two youngsters who are not good enough and/or not ready for NBA. Early may be closer but he has more competent bodies in front but it's Grant's fing mediocrity that has resulted in Sasha's being resused after being buried.

Forget Calderon .Does anyone here actually think Knicks would prefer to play a retread like Sasha before Grant ?????????????????????????

The video of Schved hurt. He wasnt perfect but he could play. Had some playground in him which was both entertaining and productive.He gave us a guard who could drive and dish. Would have gotten KP ball .Others will cite his career fg% but all I know is that this team would have been better off with him

Many of us wanted Shved back, but it didn't happen. Phil took a calculated risk and it backfired on him. I'm sure he realizes it now.

The key point is that I wanted to show how Shved played in the very same offense so that people could stop assuming that it's the Triangle that is holding Jerian back. At this point Phil has to look for additional talent in order to improve the team.

I wonder if he has an out for the nba

I'd have to wonder why he'd even want to come back!

Alexey Shved has signed a three-year deal with BC Khimki of Russia.

David Pick reports Shved signed a $10.2 million deal to make him the highest paid player overseas.

He's the difference in us being 18-14 rather than 14-18

We could've paid Coke Aldrich 1 mm from what we get from Lopez and paid Alex 4 mm

Shved and Cole aren't even close to what you think they are.

Scvhed is better than EVERY one of our guards and its NOT close! Cole A if give PT is just as good as Lopez.

LOL now I know you are off your rocker, Cole ain't anywhere near the player RoLo is, otherwise he'd get playing time.

The only thing that differentiates Cole A and Lopez is playing time. Cole got PT today--13 points 6 rebounds 3assits 4 steals 1 block

Last year Cola with Knicks in 61 games 5.5 points 5 .5 rebounds 1 block in 16 minutes
This year with Knicks Robin Lopez 7.4 points 5.4 4 rebounds 1 block in 23

So Cole is worth 1mm and Robin 13? Sorry no. Cole is an unlucky NBA player and his agent has been very poor.

Right now we could have Scvhyed for 3 years 10mm= and Cole A for 3 years 4mm. Robin Lopez by himself makes more than double both of them combined and hes ours for another 4 years. We got SMOKED.

Would the team be better with Scveyed+ Cole saving 7mm per or just Lopez?

Philly just acquired Ish Smith. ISH SMITH! He's decent, but a huge upgrade for them. They were 1-30 when acquired him.

They won Ish's first game in Phoenix. He had 14pts and 6asts and totally changed the tempo for the entire team. Philly won 111-104. 111pts was the second most points Philly had scored this season.

They're leading tonight in Utah. Ish Smith has 19pts 9ast thru 3Q.

Point guard is by far the most important position in the modern NBA. Phil's refusal to admit this is killing this team.

crzymdups wrote:Also, if you want to know about the importance of PG in the modern NBA.

Philly just acquired Ish Smith. ISH SMITH! He's decent, but a huge upgrade for them. They were 1-30 when acquired him.

They won Ish's first game in Phoenix. He had 14pts and 6asts and totally changed the tempo for the entire team. Philly won 111-104. 111pts was the second most points Philly had scored this season.

They're leading tonight in Utah. Ish Smith has 19pts 9ast thru 3Q.

Point guard is by far the most important position in the modern NBA. Phil's refusal to admit this is killing this team.

Absolutely Cryz. Jose Calderon "shouldve" been waived and stretched. This whole decent start is subterfuge--this is NOT a good team. Guards have their way with us both ways.

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crzymdups wrote:Also, if you want to know about the importance of PG in the modern NBA.

Philly just acquired Ish Smith. ISH SMITH! He's decent, but a huge upgrade for them. They were 1-30 when acquired him.

They won Ish's first game in Phoenix. He had 14pts and 6asts and totally changed the tempo for the entire team. Philly won 111-104. 111pts was the second most points Philly had scored this season.

They're leading tonight in Utah. Ish Smith has 19pts 9ast thru 3Q.

Point guard is by far the most important position in the modern NBA. Phil's refusal to admit this is killing this team.

Absolutely Cryz. Jose Calderon "shouldve" been waived and stretched. This whole decent start is subterfuge--this is NOT a good team. Guards have their way with us both ways.

Ish Smith just hit the game-tying three in the final minute and has two alley-oop assists to Nerlens Noel in the final two minutes. 22pts 11ast in his second game there. We don't have a guard on the roster who could put up those numbers.

I don't hate parts of the Triangle, but I hate how it de-emphasizes guard penetration and point guard creativity. The NBA is built for this - the rules are geared to this. Steph Curry is a good player, but he's also sort of a product of the way the league wants to play these days, the way the rules are geared and everything.

If we had a PG with creativity he would not be held back by the system. There is freedom in the system but you just have to know what to do and have the talent to exploit the openings.

The Triangle didn't stop Kobe or MJ from being creative as guards. Shved seemed to have no issues being creative. As long as your successful no coach of the Triangle would stifle a truly talented guard from doing his thing if it helped the team win!!!