yellowboy90 wrote:Spencer Dinwidle or other young players like him are the type of guys the Knicks should target. They need to try to uncover hidden talent on teams benches. It's not an easy thing but if they can identify someone who fit their player type who's could be had it would be wise to pull the trigger.

NardDogNation wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Spencer Dinwidle or other young players like him are the type of guys the Knicks should target. They need to try to uncover hidden talent on teams benches. It's not an easy thing but if they can identify someone who fit their player type who's could be had it would be wise to pull the trigger.

How?

It's all good to talk about all these guys but how do you get them here. If Tony Wroten cleats waivers all you have to do is sign him to a minimum deal.

Wroten has struggled this season since returning from an ACL injury that kept him out for the Sixers’ first 22 games, shooting just 34 percent from the field in eight games. BUT, he hasn’t hesitated to get to the rim.

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An astounding 41 of Wroten’s 65 FGA’s have come within five feet of the rim, with 44 percent of those shots falling. That isn’t a particularly great percentage from that distance; in fact, it’s pretty bad. But as Wroten continues to work back into game-shape, one could also assume that he’ll get some lift back in those legs and begin to finish at the rim better.

To compare Wroten’s eight game sample to the Knicks’ starting backcourt of Afflalo and Calderon, the two have taken just 48 and 16 shots from within five feet this season. The difference? Afflalo has played in 22 games while Calderon has played in all 30, meaning that Wroten has almost gotten to the rim more than both Knicks starting guards in less than half the time.

The man known as the “Junkyard Dog” is a genuinely talented scorer, putting up 17.0 PPG on last season’s depleted 76ers squad and could give the Knicks the attacking guard they seem to need. Of course he’d likely be coming off the bench and only be available for short spurts, but he could give New York an asset they don’t have with Derek Fisher seemingly losing faith in the rookie Jerian Grant.

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With Phil Jackson‘s squad at a tipping point where they could easily go back to the NBA’s cellar or prosper for the next decade, low risk and high reward moves are the Knicks’ best friend. If New York inks Wroten to a deal through the end of this season and it doesn’t work out, they can always cut ties and move on. But if it ends up working out, Wroten could be the offensive attacker the Knicks backcourt desperately needs.

dk7th wrote:are we in win-now or are we building something?

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:are we in win-now or are we building something?

I think signing a 22 year old would be building something.

he is a bad defender.

CrushAlot wrote:

Wroten has struggled this season since returning from an ACL injury that kept him out for the Sixers’ first 22 games, shooting just 34 percent from the field in eight games. BUT, he hasn’t hesitated to get to the rim.

New York Knicks

An astounding 41 of Wroten’s 65 FGA’s have come within five feet of the rim, with 44 percent of those shots falling. That isn’t a particularly great percentage from that distance; in fact, it’s pretty bad. But as Wroten continues to work back into game-shape, one could also assume that he’ll get some lift back in those legs and begin to finish at the rim better.

To compare Wroten’s eight game sample to the Knicks’ starting backcourt of Afflalo and Calderon, the two have taken just 48 and 16 shots from within five feet this season. The difference? Afflalo has played in 22 games while Calderon has played in all 30, meaning that Wroten has almost gotten to the rim more than both Knicks starting guards in less than half the time.

The man known as the “Junkyard Dog” is a genuinely talented scorer, putting up 17.0 PPG on last season’s depleted 76ers squad and could give the Knicks the attacking guard they seem to need. Of course he’d likely be coming off the bench and only be available for short spurts, but he could give New York an asset they don’t have with Derek Fisher seemingly losing faith in the rookie Jerian Grant.

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With Phil Jackson‘s squad at a tipping point where they could easily go back to the NBA’s cellar or prosper for the next decade, low risk and high reward moves are the Knicks’ best friend. If New York inks Wroten to a deal through the end of this season and it doesn’t work out, they can always cut ties and move on. But if it ends up working out, Wroten could be the offensive attacker the Knicks backcourt desperately needs.

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/12/25/new-york-knicks-consider-signing-tony-wroten/

Good find and read!

nixluva wrote:I like Wroten because he's a young guard that still has plenty of upside. For our particular style of play his strengths fit right into a key aspect of the system. In the Triangle there are more Cuts off hand offs than PnR. You need guards who can take the ball, attack the rim and finish or draw the foul. Simple passes are pretty much all that you get in the Triangle. There are only a few difficult passes you will see in this offense, so you don't really need a great passer. However, you MUST have guards that will attack in the flow of this offense. This is one of the issue we have with Jose. He neither attacks or shoots when given the opportunity and when he pushes the ball he isn't looking to score on the unsettled defense as we need.

Wroten may be a weak shooter and passer but he should be capable enough to be more than functional in this system with work. Also he's so strong at driving to the basket and pushing the ball up court looking for early offense. Just adding him to the mix along with our other quicker young players should have a positive impact.

is he healthy?

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:I like Wroten because he's a young guard that still has plenty of upside. For our particular style of play his strengths fit right into a key aspect of the system. In the Triangle there are more Cuts off hand offs than PnR. You need guards who can take the ball, attack the rim and finish or draw the foul. Simple passes are pretty much all that you get in the Triangle. There are only a few difficult passes you will see in this offense, so you don't really need a great passer. However, you MUST have guards that will attack in the flow of this offense. This is one of the issue we have with Jose. He neither attacks or shoots when given the opportunity and when he pushes the ball he isn't looking to score on the unsettled defense as we need.

Wroten may be a weak shooter and passer but he should be capable enough to be more than functional in this system with work. Also he's so strong at driving to the basket and pushing the ball up court looking for early offense. Just adding him to the mix along with our other quicker young players should have a positive impact.

is he healthy?

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Wroten has struggled this season since returning from an ACL injury that kept him out for the Sixers’ first 22 games, shooting just 34 percent from the field in eight games. BUT, he hasn’t hesitated to get to the rim.

New York Knicks

An astounding 41 of Wroten’s 65 FGA’s have come within five feet of the rim, with 44 percent of those shots falling. That isn’t a particularly great percentage from that distance; in fact, it’s pretty bad. But as Wroten continues to work back into game-shape, one could also assume that he’ll get some lift back in those legs and begin to finish at the rim better.

To compare Wroten’s eight game sample to the Knicks’ starting backcourt of Afflalo and Calderon, the two have taken just 48 and 16 shots from within five feet this season. The difference? Afflalo has played in 22 games while Calderon has played in all 30, meaning that Wroten has almost gotten to the rim more than both Knicks starting guards in less than half the time.

The man known as the “Junkyard Dog” is a genuinely talented scorer, putting up 17.0 PPG on last season’s depleted 76ers squad and could give the Knicks the attacking guard they seem to need. Of course he’d likely be coming off the bench and only be available for short spurts, but he could give New York an asset they don’t have with Derek Fisher seemingly losing faith in the rookie Jerian Grant.

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With Phil Jackson‘s squad at a tipping point where they could easily go back to the NBA’s cellar or prosper for the next decade, low risk and high reward moves are the Knicks’ best friend. If New York inks Wroten to a deal through the end of this season and it doesn’t work out, they can always cut ties and move on. But if it ends up working out, Wroten could be the offensive attacker the Knicks backcourt desperately needs.

http://hoopshabit.com/2015/12/25/new-york-knicks-consider-signing-tony-wroten/

Good find and read!

CrushAlot wrote:

callmened wrote:

nixluva wrote:I like Wroten because he's a young guard that still has plenty of upside. For our particular style of play his strengths fit right into a key aspect of the system. In the Triangle there are more Cuts off hand offs than PnR. You need guards who can take the ball, attack the rim and finish or draw the foul. Simple passes are pretty much all that you get in the Triangle. There are only a few difficult passes you will see in this offense, so you don't really need a great passer. However, you MUST have guards that will attack in the flow of this offense. This is one of the issue we have with Jose. He neither attacks or shoots when given the opportunity and when he pushes the ball he isn't looking to score on the unsettled defense as we need.

Wroten may be a weak shooter and passer but he should be capable enough to be more than functional in this system with work. Also he's so strong at driving to the basket and pushing the ball up court looking for early offense. Just adding him to the mix along with our other quicker young players should have a positive impact.

is he healthy?

He was on a minutes restriction but that has been modified. I know he wasn't playing back to backs but I believe he started the game before he was waived. He didn't look that good against the Knicks recently.

He just came back from injury. Is he supposed to come back dropping 20 pts a game and playing 36 mins? Kyrie had been playing bad but I'm sure you will give him time to show he's healed.

I don't want to keep talking him up because we are talking about a rotation/marginal starter with potential to be a full time starter at pg. Right now he's dangling. We can't let this kid dangle.

We are trying to build something here. The Knicks are very close to being a finished product. I mentioned trading for Brandon Jennings. Some want to wait to throw the bank at Conley like he's a perennial all star. Others want to waste 2nd round picks on their favorite unproven rookie.

Wroten is a free agent... at least I hope he clears waivers.

knickscity wrote:Wroten has been in the league for a few years now, and really hasnt improved in his game at all.. Yes, he can get to the rim, lots of players can. Gallo and Grant can get to the rim. i just dont see the potential with a player who just cant shoot at all, turns the ball over quite a bit, is only effective WITH the ball, and doesnt seem to care about working on his off hand. His defense is not good either even with the steals. Players who can only go one direction can easily be neutralized in game. besides, we dont run an offense to suit him and that is not gonna change.

He's not better than Grant, more like a scaled down version. If anything thats the player that needs to be coached up.

I love Grant, but I don't think he puts up the numbers Wroten put up last year on the Philly squad.

If we were to sign him, I assume we're not going more than the rest of the year - so we lose what, exactly?