The rotations are ridiculous, the substitutions are head scratchers. We win 4 straight with basically the same rotation,why the fck would you change it for the 5th game, why, why why do you change something thats working so well, and he does it time and time again, even though it has proven to be a bad decision every single time you do it.

I have watched every team in the league this season at least 3 times, not one single coach has played 11 guys in the 1st qtr, not 1. Every time he does that we lose 90% of the time, so why the hell would you continue to do that.

Go look at the rotations in our wins, and the rotation in our loses, its like super obvious of what works and what doesn't. Thats the complete frustating part about Fisher and his lame staff.

knicks1248 wrote:Phil has a solid group of guys with the right attitude and character, so fisher doesn't need to do much in that area. We may not have a jason kidd/cp3 type leader, but melo, AA, calderone,sasha, all have some leadership qualities.These guys would play hard no matter who was coaching.

The rotations are ridiculous, the substitutions are head scratchers. We win 4 straight with basically the same rotation,why the fck would you change it for the 5th game, why, why why do you change something thats working so well, and he does it time and time again, even though it has proven to be a bad decision every single time you do it.

I have watched every team in the league this season at least 3 times, not one single coach has played 11 guys in the 1st qtr, not 1. Every time he does that we lose 90% of the time, so why the hell would you continue to do that.

Go look at the rotations in our wins, and the rotation in our loses, its like super obvious of what works and what doesn't. Thats the complete frustating part about Fisher and his lame staff.

At this point, I truly don't think Fisher listens to his staff at all. These cats are certainly not earning their pay. there is no way in hell a dude like Clemons would just go with the flow without saying something; that dude has been in the league for way too long. This is why I called for Phil to hire Shaw as top assistant, that would force Fisher to always be at the top of his game. If we are going to have competition with the players on the roster, we must also force the coaches to always look over their shoulders. All Fisher needed to do last night was to find a way to mitigate Fournier from having an effective game. That dude torched Grant and Aflalo, because he is illucive, as well as, because he is a true 6'7" player. Williams may not be known to be a defender, but his length and athleticism would have definitely force Fournier to work much harder for his shot. Furthermore, if Williams was on the floor, Orlando would have been forced to adjust. We would have enough length to cover a lot of ground, even to attempt to double Vucevic.

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil has a solid group of guys with the right attitude and character, so fisher doesn't need to do much in that area. We may not have a jason kidd/cp3 type leader, but melo, AA, calderone,sasha, all have some leadership qualities.These guys would play hard no matter who was coaching.

The rotations are ridiculous, the substitutions are head scratchers. We win 4 straight with basically the same rotation,why the fck would you change it for the 5th game, why, why why do you change something thats working so well, and he does it time and time again, even though it has proven to be a bad decision every single time you do it.

I have watched every team in the league this season at least 3 times, not one single coach has played 11 guys in the 1st qtr, not 1. Every time he does that we lose 90% of the time, so why the hell would you continue to do that.

Go look at the rotations in our wins, and the rotation in our loses, its like super obvious of what works and what doesn't. Thats the complete frustating part about Fisher and his lame staff.

At this point, I truly don't think Fisher listens to his staff at all. These cats are certainly not earning their pay. there is no way in hell a dude like Clemons would just go with the flow without saying something; that dude has been in the league for way too long. This is why I called for Phil to hire Shaw as top assistant, that would force Fisher to always be at the top of his game. If we are going to have competition with the players on the roster, we must also force the coaches to always look over their shoulders. All Fisher needed to do last night was to find a way to mitigate Fournier from having an effective game. That dude torched Grant and Aflalo, because he is illucive, as well as, because he is a true 6'7" player. Williams may not be known to be a defender, but his length and athleticism would have definitely force Fournier to work much harder for his shot. Furthermore, if Williams was on the floor, Orlando would have been forced to adjust. We would have enough length to cover a lot of ground, even to attempt to double Vucevic.

So basically you don't think the coaching staff prepares a plan for the game?

Your making assumptions that your ideas would have worked.

Hiring Shaw as top to create a competitions among coaches on the same team? Im sorry, I don't have time today to fully explain the 389 reasons that is traditionally a bad idea at many levels.
I'd have to say the more you write the more telling your position is.
This sort of confirms the knicks are on the right track!!!!!

A coaching staff can prepare a plan all they want, but it is up to our head roach to implement it. Our roach is the dude who decides who plays or not. There is no reason why our most vocal and enforcing player (KO) was in the dog house for the many games as he was; none what so ever.

Our most potent line up all season is: Carmelo at the point, Aflalo, Williams/Lance at SF, KP at PF, KO at center. We all could see from the jump that Calderon and Rolo was a bad idea to have as starters, but Fisher thought otherwise. Our issue is not Calderon and RoLo; it is rather the individual who decides to have them on the floor together. A good coach usually tries all sorts of options to solve a weakness; thus far, I see none of that. I see a dude who is schizophrenic with the matchups, one who is reluctant to address certain issues.

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil has a solid group of guys with the right attitude and character, so fisher doesn't need to do much in that area. We may not have a jason kidd/cp3 type leader, but melo, AA, calderone,sasha, all have some leadership qualities.These guys would play hard no matter who was coaching.

The rotations are ridiculous, the substitutions are head scratchers. We win 4 straight with basically the same rotation,why the fck would you change it for the 5th game, why, why why do you change something thats working so well, and he does it time and time again, even though it has proven to be a bad decision every single time you do it.

I have watched every team in the league this season at least 3 times, not one single coach has played 11 guys in the 1st qtr, not 1. Every time he does that we lose 90% of the time, so why the hell would you continue to do that.

Go look at the rotations in our wins, and the rotation in our loses, its like super obvious of what works and what doesn't. Thats the complete frustating part about Fisher and his lame staff.

At this point, I truly don't think Fisher listens to his staff at all. These cats are certainly not earning their pay. there is no way in hell a dude like Clemons would just go with the flow without saying something; that dude has been in the league for way too long. This is why I called for Phil to hire Shaw as top assistant, that would force Fisher to always be at the top of his game. If we are going to have competition with the players on the roster, we must also force the coaches to always look over their shoulders. All Fisher needed to do last night was to find a way to mitigate Fournier from having an effective game. That dude torched Grant and Aflalo, because he is illucive, as well as, because he is a true 6'7" player. Williams may not be known to be a defender, but his length and athleticism would have definitely force Fournier to work much harder for his shot. Furthermore, if Williams was on the floor, Orlando would have been forced to adjust. We would have enough length to cover a lot of ground, even to attempt to double Vucevic.

So basically you don't think the coaching staff prepares a plan for the game?

Your making assumptions that your ideas would have worked.

Hiring Shaw as top to create a competitions among coaches on the same team? Im sorry, I don't have time today to fully explain the 389 reasons that is traditionally a bad idea at many levels.
I'd have to say the more you write the more telling your position is.
This sort of confirms the knicks are on the right track!!!!!

A coaching staff can prepare a plan all they want, but it is up to our head roach to implement it. Our roach is the dude who decides who plays or not. There is no reason why our most vocal and enforcing player (KO) was in the dog house for the many games as he was; none what so ever.

Our most potent line up all season is: Carmelo at the point, Aflalo, Williams/Lance at SF, KP at PF, KO at center. We all could see from the jump that Calderon and Rolo was a bad idea to have as starters, but Fisher thought otherwise. Our issue is not Calderon and RoLo; it is rather the individual who decides to have them on the floor together. A good coach usually tries all sorts of options to solve a weakness; thus far, I see none of that. I see a dude who is schizophrenic with the matchups, one who is reluctant to address certain issues.

a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations.
a state characterized by the coexistence of contradictory or incompatible elements.

That would explain a lot of things!

Nalod................

mreinman wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Fisher is clueless ... First off KP was solidifying the defense in the second half and he takes him out of the game! rolo who was owned all night long goes in the game at crunch time to only get owned Again. Playing Sasha in the first half then playing grant in the second half... It really makes you wonder if we had a real coach how good this team could really be. I like fish the person,but as far as head coaching goes the guy needs to go to school and sit behind someone who can serve as a mentor for fish ....how much longer are we going to suffer watching games we should be winning?

Reinmann, newyork4ever, and Nalod are going to destroy you dude. Fisher is their favorite oach::::))))

you are completely missing what is going on here on this board.

Nobody on here especially me care for Fisher that much ... we are just not going to go all rainman about it.

Knicks1969 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:Fisher is clueless ... First off KP was solidifying the defense in the second half and he takes him out of the game! rolo who was owned all night long goes in the game at crunch time to only get owned Again. Playing Sasha in the first half then playing grant in the second half... It really makes you wonder if we had a real coach how good this team could really be. I like fish the person,but as far as head coaching goes the guy needs to go to school and sit behind someone who can serve as a mentor for fish ....how much longer are we going to suffer watching games we should be winning?

Reinmann, newyork4ever, and Nalod are going to destroy you dude. Fisher is their favorite oach::::))))

no, i've called you out many times because you don't have a clue what you are talking about none. fisher did a poor job tonight, no question about it. i was screaming at the tv wondering where porzingis was at the end of the game. fisher has had more good games than bad this year. one bad game doesn't mean he's a bad coach. you're clueless though, so it's not surprising.

More good games then bad?? Seriously????

Fisher looked decent because KP, Aflalo, Lance and Carmelo have contributed. Certainly not because of anything magical fisher has done as a roach:))))

Hahaha you really do say some dumb stuff. LOL

knicks1248 wrote:Phil has a solid group of guys with the right attitude and character, so fisher doesn't need to do much in that area. We may not have a jason kidd/cp3 type leader, but melo, AA, calderone,sasha, all have some leadership qualities.These guys would play hard no matter who was coaching.

The rotations are ridiculous, the substitutions are head scratchers. We win 4 straight with basically the same rotation,why the fck would you change it for the 5th game, why, why why do you change something thats working so well, and he does it time and time again, even though it has proven to be a bad decision every single time you do it.

I have watched every team in the league this season at least 3 times, not one single coach has played 11 guys in the 1st qtr, not 1. Every time he does that we lose 90% of the time, so why the hell would you continue to do that.

Go look at the rotations in our wins, and the rotation in our loses, its like super obvious of what works and what doesn't. Thats the complete frustating part about Fisher and his lame staff.

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil has a solid group of guys with the right attitude and character, so fisher doesn't need to do much in that area. We may not have a jason kidd/cp3 type leader, but melo, AA, calderone,sasha, all have some leadership qualities.These guys would play hard no matter who was coaching.

The rotations are ridiculous, the substitutions are head scratchers. We win 4 straight with basically the same rotation,why the fck would you change it for the 5th game, why, why why do you change something thats working so well, and he does it time and time again, even though it has proven to be a bad decision every single time you do it.

I have watched every team in the league this season at least 3 times, not one single coach has played 11 guys in the 1st qtr, not 1. Every time he does that we lose 90% of the time, so why the hell would you continue to do that.

Go look at the rotations in our wins, and the rotation in our loses, its like super obvious of what works and what doesn't. Thats the complete frustating part about Fisher and his lame staff.

At this point, I truly don't think Fisher listens to his staff at all. These cats are certainly not earning their pay. there is no way in hell a dude like Clemons would just go with the flow without saying something; that dude has been in the league for way too long. This is why I called for Phil to hire Shaw as top assistant, that would force Fisher to always be at the top of his game. If we are going to have competition with the players on the roster, we must also force the coaches to always look over their shoulders. All Fisher needed to do last night was to find a way to mitigate Fournier from having an effective game. That dude torched Grant and Aflalo, because he is illucive, as well as, because he is a true 6'7" player. Williams may not be known to be a defender, but his length and athleticism would have definitely force Fournier to work much harder for his shot. Furthermore, if Williams was on the floor, Orlando would have been forced to adjust. We would have enough length to cover a lot of ground, even to attempt to double Vucevic.

So basically you don't think the coaching staff prepares a plan for the game?

Your making assumptions that your ideas would have worked.

Hiring Shaw as top to create a competitions among coaches on the same team? Im sorry, I don't have time today to fully explain the 389 reasons that is traditionally a bad idea at many levels.
I'd have to say the more you write the more telling your position is.
This sort of confirms the knicks are on the right track!!!!!

A coaching staff can prepare a plan all they want, but it is up to our head roach to implement it. Our roach is the dude who decides who plays or not. There is no reason why our most vocal and enforcing player (KO) was in the dog house for the many games as he was; none what so ever.

Our most potent line up all season is: Carmelo at the point, Aflalo, Williams/Lance at SF, KP at PF, KO at center. We all could see from the jump that Calderon and Rolo was a bad idea to have as starters, but Fisher thought otherwise. Our issue is not Calderon and RoLo; it is rather the individual who decides to have them on the floor together. A good coach usually tries all sorts of options to solve a weakness; thus far, I see none of that. I see a dude who is schizophrenic with the matchups, one who is reluctant to address certain issues.

This season is not only about the number of wins. What is missing is that Fisher is CLEARLY experimenting early in the season to see just what he has. We can't assume that it's not automatic that a coach knows what he has in players and combinations of players with a new roster until you see them in various scenarios. So what some are doing is assuming that there is no reason behind what Fish is doing when he is actually probing to see what works and what doesn't.

This season is not a win at all costs season by virtue of the newness of the roster and the reliance on young and developing players as well. This is a new coach learning the game and his roster. It's simply not going to be the same as the Spurs or some other team that has been together a while and has a coach that is well seasoned. We will get more player mistakes and coaching mistakes than a more experienced coach and roster that has been together longer.

They should grow together this season and be even better next season. If we were to make the playoffs this season it's gravy in the overall scheme of things. If they play well enough to remain in the hunt for a playoff spot and learn and grow as a team that is a huge thing for this team. I'm assuming that Phil will make a move that helps if he can. He won't sacrifice the future for that tho IMO.

nyknickzingis wrote:I don't even mind the Lopez/Melo/Thomas lineup. I mean so long as he recognized that he needed to go with 2 wings and a C, instead of 2 C/F's and a wing. Yeah should have tried Porzingis' length and quicker feet on Vucevic, but it's ok, Lopez was having a solid game. Especially on O.

What's inexcusable is playing Seraphin and Vujacic in the game in the 1st half as it's an exhibition game. Then if the case is about Lopez > Porzingis due to the particular game and veteran expertise on D, there's no way Grant should be closing the half. 3 major mistakes - 1) Seraphin at backup C instead of Porzingis (like he did in the 2nd half) 2) Vujacic at all in the game when Gallo/Grant are playing well 3) Grant to close the game, he deserved PT but not to play the last 5 minutes. You go with Afflalo/Galloway backcourt to close the game.

I gave Fish a pass last year as the team wasn't talented or good enough to win. This team is, it's not a great team, but it's a team that should have won at least 3-4 more home games. With someone who actually is a top flight head coach who knows what his best lineups and match up X's/O's, I think the Knicks are 17-12 right now. That said, this isn't a team that should win more than 41-45 wins. But with Fish as our HC, I think we'll wind up in the 35 win range. Lose a lottery pick as well.

I'm generally supportive of Fisher, but in crunch time you have to use all of your resources, especially if a single player is burning you 1/1, and Fisher kept a rather valuable defensive resource on the bench...which made no sense to me at the time, no sense after Fisher's explanation, and no sense now.

nixluva wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil has a solid group of guys with the right attitude and character, so fisher doesn't need to do much in that area. We may not have a jason kidd/cp3 type leader, but melo, AA, calderone,sasha, all have some leadership qualities.These guys would play hard no matter who was coaching.

The rotations are ridiculous, the substitutions are head scratchers. We win 4 straight with basically the same rotation,why the fck would you change it for the 5th game, why, why why do you change something thats working so well, and he does it time and time again, even though it has proven to be a bad decision every single time you do it.

I have watched every team in the league this season at least 3 times, not one single coach has played 11 guys in the 1st qtr, not 1. Every time he does that we lose 90% of the time, so why the hell would you continue to do that.

Go look at the rotations in our wins, and the rotation in our loses, its like super obvious of what works and what doesn't. Thats the complete frustating part about Fisher and his lame staff.

At this point, I truly don't think Fisher listens to his staff at all. These cats are certainly not earning their pay. there is no way in hell a dude like Clemons would just go with the flow without saying something; that dude has been in the league for way too long. This is why I called for Phil to hire Shaw as top assistant, that would force Fisher to always be at the top of his game. If we are going to have competition with the players on the roster, we must also force the coaches to always look over their shoulders. All Fisher needed to do last night was to find a way to mitigate Fournier from having an effective game. That dude torched Grant and Aflalo, because he is illucive, as well as, because he is a true 6'7" player. Williams may not be known to be a defender, but his length and athleticism would have definitely force Fournier to work much harder for his shot. Furthermore, if Williams was on the floor, Orlando would have been forced to adjust. We would have enough length to cover a lot of ground, even to attempt to double Vucevic.

So basically you don't think the coaching staff prepares a plan for the game?

Your making assumptions that your ideas would have worked.

Hiring Shaw as top to create a competitions among coaches on the same team? Im sorry, I don't have time today to fully explain the 389 reasons that is traditionally a bad idea at many levels.
I'd have to say the more you write the more telling your position is.
This sort of confirms the knicks are on the right track!!!!!

A coaching staff can prepare a plan all they want, but it is up to our head roach to implement it. Our roach is the dude who decides who plays or not. There is no reason why our most vocal and enforcing player (KO) was in the dog house for the many games as he was; none what so ever.

Our most potent line up all season is: Carmelo at the point, Aflalo, Williams/Lance at SF, KP at PF, KO at center. We all could see from the jump that Calderon and Rolo was a bad idea to have as starters, but Fisher thought otherwise. Our issue is not Calderon and RoLo; it is rather the individual who decides to have them on the floor together. A good coach usually tries all sorts of options to solve a weakness; thus far, I see none of that. I see a dude who is schizophrenic with the matchups, one who is reluctant to address certain issues.

This season is not only about the number of wins. What is missing is that Fisher is CLEARLY experimenting early in the season to see just what he has. We can't assume that it's not automatic that a coach knows what he has in players and combinations of players with a new roster until you see them in various scenarios. So what some are doing is assuming that there is no reason behind what Fish is doing when he is actually probing to see what works and what doesn't.

This season is not a win at all costs season by virtue of the newness of the roster and the reliance on young and developing players as well. This is a new coach learning the game and his roster. It's simply not going to be the same as the Spurs or some other team that has been together a while and has a coach that is well seasoned. We will get more player mistakes and coaching mistakes than a more experienced coach and roster that has been together longer.

They should grow together this season and be even better next season. If we were to make the playoffs this season it's gravy in the overall scheme of things. If they play well enough to remain in the hunt for a playoff spot and learn and grow as a team that is a huge thing for this team. I'm assuming that Phil will make a move that helps if he can. He won't sacrifice the future for that tho IMO.