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TPercy
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1/3/2016  7:01 PM
He is the Old Melo, when he is hot, we do really well, when he isnt he does nothing besides some decent defense.
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stopstandthere
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1/3/2016  7:13 PM
TPercy wrote:He is the Old Melo, when he is hot, we do really well, when he isnt he does nothing besides some decent defense.

I guess AA is younger than Melo?
crzymdups
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1/3/2016  7:16 PM
Knicks are 8-2 when Afflalo scores 15 points or more.
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TPercy
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1/3/2016  7:17 PM
stopstandthere wrote:
TPercy wrote:He is the Old Melo, when he is hot, we do really well, when he isnt he does nothing besides some decent defense.

I guess AA is younger than Melo?

I was refering to the "Old Melo's" style of play.

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blkexec
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1/3/2016  7:24 PM
This is what happens when you....

Rest an old vet.....
Challenge him through media talks about the need to add a guard......
Take ibruprofen before your game......
Get hot early by making your first few shots......

AA is exactly what he is......A hot and cold solid teammate to have......And a locker room leader. Lets see if he has enough ibruprofen to last for the rest of the year.

The key player to me is Jose's aggresiveness on offense. If Jose and AA can provide an offensive punch, then we can start winning some games.

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nyknickzingis
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1/3/2016  7:25 PM
Afflalo, Lopez and even Calderon to an extent are what they are. You get roles filled. But it's not enough. One could argue relatively to salary and how much they take off the cap, they're all worthy investments.

The guy that gives you questionable impact for investment in Melo. All due respect to what a great scorer he is, but does he really earn his lunch money as the team's MVP/franchise player? For what he's paid, I'm not sure if the Knicks get fair value.

meloshouldgo
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1/3/2016  7:44 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:Afflalo, Lopez and even Calderon to an extent are what they are. You get roles filled. But it's not enough. One could argue relatively to salary and how much they take off the cap, they're all worthy investments.

The guy that gives you questionable impact for investment in Melo. All due respect to what a great scorer he is, but does he really earn his lunch money as the team's MVP/franchise player? For what he's paid, I'm not sure if the Knicks get fair value.

No we don't and it's why he never should have been given the contract he got. But I have to say I am somewhat encouraged by his play this season. His assist numbers are up (albeit slightly) but he seems to be dishing on the run instead of at the last possible second with the clock running out like he always used to. He will NEVER be a true franchise player because he is so one dimensional. But if he continues to get more assists and steals and start embracing more of a facilitation role, he may yet come close, eventually. Long way to go though.

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nyknickzingis
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1/4/2016  9:58 AM
If he was going to stay, or go to the Lakers, or any place, he was getting that sort of contract. The problem is that he doesn't produce in line with players on good teams who make that sort of money. You're talking about being paid the amount that could net you 3 starters, or 2 really good starters. Considering our lack of talent in the starting 5, we certainly could use a Gallinari and a PG moreso than a Melo (Just throwing it out there as what Melo's salary could also get you).

I give him credit as well. And he's been positive with KP and patient with the re-building. However, I just don't see a place unless there's rapid internal improvement where this team will contend simply by adding 1 player in FA this coming summer (No draft pick). If we can get a starter back, clear some capspace to add maybe 2 more starters this summer, get a draft pick as well, I much rather have that flexibility to work in a re-build. And this process is going to take 2 more years, in which case one wonders at 33, what/how much Melo making 27 million a year will have left in the tank.

I do like him though. I also wouldn't deal him anywhere where he didn't have a shot to win. I've suggested Miami because he'd fit in there and give them a real shot at a ring right away.

mreinman
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1/4/2016  10:06 AM
meloshouldgo wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:Afflalo, Lopez and even Calderon to an extent are what they are. You get roles filled. But it's not enough. One could argue relatively to salary and how much they take off the cap, they're all worthy investments.

The guy that gives you questionable impact for investment in Melo. All due respect to what a great scorer he is, but does he really earn his lunch money as the team's MVP/franchise player? For what he's paid, I'm not sure if the Knicks get fair value.

No we don't and it's why he never should have been given the contract he got. But I have to say I am somewhat encouraged by his play this season. His assist numbers are up (albeit slightly) but he seems to be dishing on the run instead of at the last possible second with the clock running out like he always used to. He will NEVER be a true franchise player because he is so one dimensional. But if he continues to get more assists and steals and start embracing more of a facilitation role, he may yet come close, eventually. Long way to go though.

they are up to 3.8 per 36 from his career of 3.1 - that is a lot (for Melo). The only time he avg'd 3.8 was the year that MDA forced him to play point forward though he hated it.

Considering that Melo did not start off the year passing, the fact that he is now at 3.8 means that of late he has REALLY been passing well.

Also, being that we shoot so badly, he really missed out on a lot of assists so he could really be closer to 5 per game.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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