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blkexec
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12/18/2015  4:20 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
Swishfm3 wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:I hate SAS with a passion. The guy is garbage and not a true fan of New York Sports like he acts like he is. He'll turn on a team in a second. He's a loud mouth and a fake. Enough said.

He acts like 99% of the people that post on this message board...

NOBODY had this kid in their radar. NO ONE. You either hated the pick or didn't care because we did't have one of the top 3 pick to choose from OK4, Towns or Russell.

Except every draft board there ever was:

http://www.nba.com/news/2015-consensus-mock-draft/

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seriously...that site was updated June 25th. Now guess what the NBA draft was held?

I know people on this site have this thing about trying to prove people wrong all the time but c'mon, you are going to honestly tell me that FANS and "so-called" experts wanted the Knicks to draft KP?

Besides the fact why would you edit your mock draft after the draft and not have it actually reflect th draft, okay, how about the 24th then?

http://www.businessinsider.com/final-nba-mock-draft-for-all-30-1st-round-picks-2015-6

No, here is one from February that had KP going 5th.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/full-2015-nba-mock-draft-2815/

April, KP is again 5th.

http://www.si.com/nba/2015/04/16/2015-nba-mock-draft-karl-anthony-towns-jahlil-okafor-emmanuel-mudiay

That KP was some out of left field pick is a myth. He was a consensus high lottery pick from day 1. And mock draft by so-called "experts" don't pick who they want the team to pick but who they think the team will pick.

As to fans, yes, a decent percentage of fans who as far as I can tell acknowledge didn't want to pick him out of ignorance.

But to say nobody had him on their radar is just wrong. The consensus mocks had him going 4 to the Knicks before the draft, Knicks fan just were in denial.

first of all...When I said NO ONE, I was referring to KNICK NATION (fans), not the NBA as a whole.

2 of the 3 links had him going #5 to the Magic, and since Orlando actually drafted M.Hezonja (another Euro player), just tells me that it was no big secret that they were ALWAYS looking for a project player that they can bring up slowly.

the one link that had Knicks picking KP was done the day before the draft (they didn't seem to edit their draft)...I'm not going to give them credit for that. The link that Nixluva provided shows some on this site were already warming up to the idea of possibly drafting KP

but whatever Big Balls. I was wrong...Thanks for putting me straight. you the man!

I dont know how to search and quickly pull up old discussions.....But there was a small group of us that wanted KP. Some of the WCS fans (like myself) switched over to KP.....At the time, before we drafted him.....I said if KP has similar rim protection skills as WCS, but has better offense.....Then he could be the best pick in the draft......And getting him at 4 would be a steal. Towns was 1 for a while, but as we got close to the draft, I started having my doubts about Towns ability to play defense without getting into foul trouble. But you gotta give Phil credit for going against the grain with this pick. Only Phil had the type of balls to make this pick, in NYC....after the Weis disaster pick.

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12/18/2015  4:39 PM
blkexec wrote:But you gotta give Phil credit for going against the grain with this pick. Only Phil had the type of balls to make this pick, in NYC....after the Weis disaster pick.

I love Jackson but I don't give him credit for that reason. That's his job. His job is to ignore the press and social media and do what he'd so in a vacuum. It was a good pick for being a good pick, but not for defying the chatter class. That's in his job description.

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12/18/2015  5:03 PM
bigbasketballs wrote:
blkexec wrote:But you gotta give Phil credit for going against the grain with this pick. Only Phil had the type of balls to make this pick, in NYC....after the Weis disaster pick.

I love Jackson but I don't give him credit for that reason. That's his job. His job is to ignore the press and social media and do what he'd so in a vacuum. It was a good pick for being a good pick, but not for defying the chatter class. That's in his job description.

So are things like winning games, building a good team and making smart moves... things many GMs fail utterly at.

Not bending to pressure in this market means something. Dont think it doesnt.

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12/18/2015  5:12 PM
fishmike wrote:
bigbasketballs wrote:
blkexec wrote:But you gotta give Phil credit for going against the grain with this pick. Only Phil had the type of balls to make this pick, in NYC....after the Weis disaster pick.

I love Jackson but I don't give him credit for that reason. That's his job. His job is to ignore the press and social media and do what he'd so in a vacuum. It was a good pick for being a good pick, but not for defying the chatter class. That's in his job description.

So are things like winning games, building a good team and making smart moves... things many GMs fail utterly at.

Not bending to pressure in this market means something. Dont think it doesnt.

Sorry… I don't and believe the whole conceit is overstated.

The press and social media is a vapor bubble. If you're not it in, it doesn't exist.

Jackson is a contrarian by nature as well.

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12/18/2015  5:38 PM
Smith is a blabberin loud mouth who knows little more than the average fan. He shrieks for ratings. Loud and stupid acts tend to do well these watered down days. He would have started changing his tune in SL if he watched the games and had any eye for talent. Just hope his Johnny Come lately jump on the bandwagon is not a temporary kiss of death
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12/18/2015  5:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2015  5:58 PM
The thing about Smith, he doesn't understand Phil Jackson. And this burns him. He thought Phil is the sort of guy, who'd always go for the big names, sort of like what you saw the Lakers do. Instead, Phil has gone for unknown below the radar types, with a high level of fitting into what he wants to see his teams do on O/D. Porzingis was the guy with the highest ceiling in this regard, and guys like Quinn the lowest. Yet all of Phil's moves dating back to trading Smith/Shump last year and bringing in Calderon even, have had a purpose. Without the sort of team NY has today, Porzingis does not have a role. They've helped put him in position to succeed and to his credit he's blown away people. Even the Sasha signing which was laughable because Sasha does not belong in the league, has meant a veteran who has taken to Porzingis and given him great support. These things are instrumental in building a young player into a star, a star that can win games for you that is.

SAS wants major names and Phil's record as a winner to draw them in. But he's overlooking NY has done this for decades. This is arguably the first decent team we've had in a long time that doesn't have too many names on it. You have Melo, but that's it. The rest of the guys are relatively low key guys, and Porzingis' emerging play has created hype for him. But we're not supposed to be any good - most people would think a team like the Knicks would do better than 25 wins in a season. Yet they're on pace to win between 35-40, which is solid.

That's where it all goes back to NY history. Trading for Marbury. Trading too much for Melo. Trading for Eddy Curry. Trading for any and every name that was out there. The parts didn't fit and the players didn't play together. Phil is doing it a different way. He's got C level talent around Melo/Porzingis, but he believes they'll play together. He believes that Porzingis can grow and improve and hopes Melo improves as a team player. Then with FA and capspace potentially in 2016 AND 2017, the Knicks can keep adding talent. To eventually possibly making a strong run 2 years from now. Of course SAS and guys like him have no patience for that, and think the old school Knicks way which is get me every big name possible. He liked Winslow because of name recognition. Mudiay? He's been horrendous, yet SAS loved him, name recognition. He wanted guys who were recognized. He's thinking inside a box, and a mindset that has seen the Knicks be mediocre for a long, long time.

If you look at it clearly, if Porzingis was on the type of team that was full of shoot first players running a system geared towards guy calling their own number, or one player dominating the ball a lot, his play wouldn't be what it is. His energy would have been less. Phil's biggest tribute hasn't been that he drafted Porzingis. It's that he drafted AND put the sort of support group around him where the guy could give you that extra gear right away.

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12/18/2015  10:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/18/2015  10:20 PM
meloanyk wrote:Smith is a blabberin loud mouth who knows little more than the average fan. He shrieks for ratings. Loud and stupid acts tend to do well these watered down days. He would have started changing his tune in SL if he watched the games and had any eye for talent. Just hope his Johnny Come lately jump on the bandwagon is not a temporary kiss of death

That's exactly how I feel. When was it that Chuck The Clown Barkley was praising KP? Just before KP hit this small-ish version of the rookie wall? Close enough? It's a reason why I don't like guys on the Knicks to do interviews with a lot of these NY radio dudes, ESPECIALLY ESPN. 9 times out of 10 their game suddenly takes a noticeable drop immediately afterwards. Not saying there's a direct connection, but then again I'm not saying it's not a coincidence either.
Double, triple negatives in one sentence? Yeah, so what? Hahaaaaa.

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12/19/2015  2:28 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/19/2015  2:30 PM
I am not superstitious.
The things which meant to be will be.
No one can change the Karma but the one who leaves it.
The team should be build to sustain the loss or periods of sub-par play from one or even a couple of players because this is inevitable.
We are building in this direction but Jackson is just started.
It's a lot of work to do and will be a lot of ups and downs along the way.
The main thing for me we have a plan in place and are working on executing it.
This by itself is refreshing and encouraging. And gives hope for success.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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12/19/2015  10:47 PM
SAS isn't just wrong about KP, he's wrong about Phil.

Almost all of Phil's main moves this past summer look good and fit the team.
Porzingis. Quinn. Williams. Afflalo. Lopez.

The only move that doesn't look great right now is RLo, but we had no idea KP was going to be this good this fast and even now, I still don't want rookie Porzingis defending the 5 spot for 30-34 minutes a night. No one in their wildest dreams thought the Knicks would be closing games with Porzingis at 5, and doing well on D. If Porzingis played more like a typical rookie, Lopez would be needed those 8-10 minutes to close and his value is much higher for the team.

Stephen A Smith UPDATED Reaction to KP

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