crzymdups wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

Not really seeing a pro-Chicago Lopez argument here. So say Noah is an afterthought in Chicago, but Lopez is playing a similar role here.

Is the pro-argument they'r taking on Lopez for 3.5 years because of his reputation around the league despite the fact you don't think he's very good?

The pro-Chicago argument is only if they decide to cut ties with Noah. Noah is getting more and more vocal. He's accused the starters of not bringing the right energy to start games (he's coming off the bench now, so he's throwing his teammates under the bus).

It sort of reminds me of when Tyson fell out of favor in NY.

No, I get that, but it's one-half of an argument. Still gott make the case Lopez is a desirable acquisition for Chicago.

I mean Philly is always open for business if they just want to dump Noah moreso than are genuinely attracted to Lopez.

Philly is under new management - they have Nerlens Noel, Okafor and Embiid in the wings. I don't think Colangelo would sign off on another one of those "we'll take your contract for a draft pick" trades.

So long as they're well under the cap (and they are), little reason not to still do this sort of trade. There's not downside and he's expiring, so not a long-term play.

ROLO is a quality big man - he could come off the bench or start in a pinch. I think the Knicks may need to sweeten that deal somehow... but it really has to come down to Chicago deciding to cut ties. I agree the issue with Rolo is the length of his contract. The money is fine, but that's a lot of years to commit to Rolo. Though I think he'll always be relatively trade-able. When the cap is $100M, his $13M deal will be the equivalent of trying to move a $6M deal about five years ago. Totally reasonable.

I go back and forth about whether Chicago would listen on Rolo. It really depends on where they are on Noah. Could see them making a move around the trade deadline if they still have chemistry issues.

I'm more responding to the OP. It seems all Noah is a really good player, Lopez isn't, so let's swap them. Always have a sore spot for that sort of thing.

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.

Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?

I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.

You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.

I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?

How it makes sense for Chicago. You sort of argue it's a lateral move but also argue it's a plus for the Knicks, so why is it a plus for Chicago (factoring in the 3 additional years attached).

What is it about Lopez that they want over Noah AND/or the cap space next summer?

But I explained that too. I'm not going to retype it.

I think Robin Lopez is the weakest link. His energy and skill set is too low to fit what were doing.

The Knicks need to try and get Joakim Noah for Rolo. He's our missing link inside. His energy and passing ability is being wasted in chicago. He isn't a 30 plus min player any more, but playing 22 mins like he's been doing this year for us fits what were trying to do. His energy will help melo and KP, and the crowd.

Rolo is averaging similar numbers to Noah in similar minutes with the obvious spike in points for Rolo and assist for Noah.

Noah clearly is an after thought for them. Bring him home

Chicago is going to lose Gasol next year along with Noah. Maybe they get Rolo based on his reputation around the league

Not really seeing a pro-Chicago Lopez argument here. So say Noah is an afterthought in Chicago, but Lopez is playing a similar role here.

Is the pro-argument they'r taking on Lopez for 3.5 years because of his reputation around the league despite the fact you don't think he's very good?

Not very good for us. He's a pick and role center. We aren't running pick and role exclusive offense luke everyone elsethat has dominant guard play. For us he sucks. The Bulls on the other hand are playing more pick and roll because of their guard play. Add that to what I said above about Noah and Gasol being free agents after this year.

yellowboy90 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:I think we need a PG and PF/C so here's some teams that would probably do a trade and the players on each team i'd be looking at for us.
Charlotte--M.Williams, J.Lin, N.Batum
Minnesota--G.Dieng, Z.Lavine, R.Rubio, N.Bjelica
Orlando--V.Oladipo, T.Harris
Houston--T.Jones
Phoenix--B.Night, E.Bledsoe, M.Morris
Portland--CJ McCollum he plays SG cause they have Lilliard but he's a PG.
Indiana--M.Ellis, J.Hill
I could do this with every team but i think there's some interesting names here and i'll leave the making of the trades to everyone else.

A lot of players on your list are probably not on the trade blocks unless you blow them away.

Batum isn't getting traded

Jmpasq wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.

Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?

I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.

You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.

I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?

How it makes sense for Chicago. You sort of argue it's a lateral move but also argue it's a plus for the Knicks, so why is it a plus for Chicago (factoring in the 3 additional years attached).

What is it about Lopez that they want over Noah AND/or the cap space next summer?

Especially with way better centers on the market

like who? Big fat al?

Jmpasq wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.

Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?

I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.

You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.

I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?

How it makes sense for Chicago. You sort of argue it's a lateral move but also argue it's a plus for the Knicks, so why is it a plus for Chicago (factoring in the 3 additional years attached).

What is it about Lopez that they want over Noah AND/or the cap space next summer?

Especially with way better centers on the market

like who? Big fat al?

and Whiteside

whiteside is not really on the market. You mean FA this summer?

Dummy D is also on the market.

mreinman wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

EnySpree wrote:If you want a pg, you can go and get Jennings. Knicks have enough to get Noah and Jennings if the trades are kept simple.

Kristaps, Melo, Noah, Jennings, Affalo looks like an improved team. Jennings and Noah ate both expiring contracts too. So what you think now?

I think none of us know who is available, what it would take to get them, and how Knicks players are regarded around the league.

You seem to be suggesting is Lopez isn't very good, and can be traded for Noah, who s good, which fails the logic test.

I explained why a straight up trade makes sense in the first post. What test does that fail?

How it makes sense for Chicago. You sort of argue it's a lateral move but also argue it's a plus for the Knicks, so why is it a plus for Chicago (factoring in the 3 additional years attached).

What is it about Lopez that they want over Noah AND/or the cap space next summer?

Especially with way better centers on the market

like who? Big fat al?

and Whiteside

whiteside is not really on the market. You mean FA this summer?

Dummy D is also on the market.

Yeah why would u waste your money on Rolo when you can make a run at better players. I would take the cap space over Rolo right now

crzymdups wrote:I don't see Whiteside leaving Miami.

Even if Miami can only pay him $7-8m?

crzymdups wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I don't see Whiteside leaving Miami.

Even if Miami can only pay him $7-8m?

When has Riley ever been defeated by the cap? Remember when people said he didn't have enough cap room to sign Bosh, Wade AND Bron.

Math is math. He doesn't have the power to alter Bosh and Dragic's contracts. If you believe both Wade and Whiteside are going to agree to vastly below market values, I can't stop ya.

crzymdups wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I don't see Whiteside leaving Miami.

Even if Miami can only pay him $7-8m?

When has Riley ever been defeated by the cap? Remember when people said he didn't have enough cap room to sign Bosh, Wade AND Bron.

Math is math. He doesn't have the power to alter Bosh and Dragic's contracts. If you believe both Wade and Whiteside are going to agree to vastly below market values, I can't stop ya.

He can move some of their other deals. McRoberts, etc.

And I believe Wade will be convinced to take less than market value. He will never leave Miami and Riley will take care of him.

They will sign Whiteside and Wade - they probably won't be able to sign that Tyler Johnson kid. But stranger things have happened. Riley is very good with the cap.

I suggest you do the math. Whiteside, who would be crazy not to cash in now, will have to accept a significant discount to stay in Miami.

James left. Bosh got a max. Gave up a ****ton for Dragic. Wade is making $20m. They wet bad before Bosh got hurt last year and didn't make the postseason. Riley isn't the magician he's made out to be.

bigbasketballs wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

bigbasketballs wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I don't see Whiteside leaving Miami.

Even if Miami can only pay him $7-8m?

When has Riley ever been defeated by the cap? Remember when people said he didn't have enough cap room to sign Bosh, Wade AND Bron.

Math is math. He doesn't have the power to alter Bosh and Dragic's contracts. If you believe both Wade and Whiteside are going to agree to vastly below market values, I can't stop ya.

He can move some of their other deals. McRoberts, etc.

And I believe Wade will be convinced to take less than market value. He will never leave Miami and Riley will take care of him.

They will sign Whiteside and Wade - they probably won't be able to sign that Tyler Johnson kid. But stranger things have happened. Riley is very good with the cap.

I suggest you do the math. Whiteside, who would be crazy not to cash in now, will have to accept a significant discount to stay in Miami.

James left. Bosh got a max. Gave up a ****ton for Dragic. Wade is making $20m. They wet bad before Bosh got hurt last year and didn't make the postseason. Riley isn't the magician he's made out to be.

Let's bookmark this thread and check back in around July 5th or so.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:A center I think could work great with KP is Al Horford. ATl is struggling now but I doubt they will blow it up even if they start dropping lower. Anyway, Horford can take the pounding on D while be able to actually post up, pass, and step out. He is another methodical fundamental type big like Lopez but he is just a way better version.

Al is a FA this summer but the problem is that he is going to turn 30 and will command a $20m+ deal. That is a lot to give a player not on the same time table as KP. It would give the knicks a chance to compete now if KP improves and Melo can get/stay healthy. If the Knicks wanted to go this route I would shoot for the stars and try to get Teague too. Teague has one more year on his deal after the 15-16 season and if Horford bolts why not get something for Teague and give Schroeder the keys.

And whom are we giving up for Horford and Teague? Seraphin?