Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Fair comparison. Will Wiggins elevate into superstardom? Or just merely be an above average player.

I personally think he'll fall somewhere in between. He won't ever be Lebron or MJ great, but he'll certainly accomplish more in his career than Carmelo's ceiling. No knock on Melo, just see Wiggins as being able to make an All NBA 1st team at least once in his career, or even an All NBA Defensive team as he develops through the years.

Here is where you continue to be wrong. Melo is much more than "merely an above average player" in your words. "Merely above average" does not equal first ballot hall of fame, which is what Melo will be. "Merely above average" is Robin Lopez or Aaron Afflalo.

Don't know why you even entertained this. Merely an above average player was purposely planted to get a response.

My older brother hates Kobe with a passion and used to claim that he was on the same level as Richard Jefferson. There is no reasoning with hate that strong.

I understand that, but as crazy as it may seem, i think Chuck said that because he really believes it.

He was D riding this above average player about 2 seasons ago.

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:The title was obviously made to generate clicks but...man...that's pretty disrespectful.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14348723/minnesota-timberwolves-future-mvp-next-carmelo-anthony-nba

Not to Wiggins! If your choice is to be a generational MVP talent, or just another HOFer wow... I could work with that.

I get what you're saying (and I agree) but like mreinman said, it was not positive and a shot at Melo.

Yeah, only desperate Knicks fans would look at that title and think it was a compliment to Melo.
I'm not the biggest Melo fan but Wiggins has a long way to go just to get to Melo's level. Next MVP or Isiah Rider might have been a more accurate title.

Its is interesting that they would choose Melo as Wiggins plays nothing like Melo. The only thing I could see them trying to compare is that they feel Melo underachieved. Melo and Lebron were viewed and players that were going to take over the league Magic Johnson and Larry Bird style.

So they are most likely saying can Wiggins reach his full potential and be an MVP or arguably best player in the NBA or underachieve. Since they don't feel he will be a bust who turns into a role player or out of the league. They must be saying Melo level is that step below that. Since Melo hasn't won any MVPs or anything its a fair viewpoint.

Melo is just a classic example of an elite player who falls short of "best in NBA" status because his game isn't rounded out enough. Whether or not people feel he has underachieved in his career depends on a lot of things. Same goes for someone like D Wilkins, an elite player in his own right, but significantly less successful in the NBA as Jordan, Bird, and Magic. Melo is the Dominique of this generation. So they are questioning if Wiggins will be the next player to fall into that category, or actually develop into a all-time great.

very good post. I was thinking about Melo as Nique the other day (minus the crazy dunks etc.)

on other thought: MJ before Phil (i.e., in the Doug Collins days) was a lot like Nique. Not saying Phil will have the same effect on Melo, but it certainly would be nice if they continue to impress on Melo that he needs to contribute in other ways if he wants to get to the next level

edit: I also want to be clear that I think Melo is a fantastic player; biggest issue is people want more (hoping Phil [and Fish] can help him grow)

Miami's big 3 for all their "bigness" lost to Dallas and SA; and OKC had a big 3 (when Harden was there) that was amazing and yet...

So this is a longer way of saying I could care less about a big 3; I'd rather Melo sacrifices some of his game and develops other parts and that this translates to wins. If he does that with other studs, great; if he does that with the Danny Greens of the world, that's great too.

I like the idea of him developing a chip on his shoulder and trying to prove others wrong about defense, passing, leadership. Now it just needs to translate with consistency.

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:The title was obviously made to generate clicks but...man...that's pretty disrespectful.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14348723/minnesota-timberwolves-future-mvp-next-carmelo-anthony-nba

Not to Wiggins! If your choice is to be a generational MVP talent, or just another HOFer wow... I could work with that.

I get what you're saying (and I agree) but like mreinman said, it was not positive and a shot at Melo.

Yeah, only desperate Knicks fans would look at that title and think it was a compliment to Melo.
I'm not the biggest Melo fan but Wiggins has a long way to go just to get to Melo's level. Next MVP or Isiah Rider might have been a more accurate title.

Its is interesting that they would choose Melo as Wiggins plays nothing like Melo. The only thing I could see them trying to compare is that they feel Melo underachieved. Melo and Lebron were viewed and players that were going to take over the league Magic Johnson and Larry Bird style.

So they are most likely saying can Wiggins reach his full potential and be an MVP or arguably best player in the NBA or underachieve. Since they don't feel he will be a bust who turns into a role player or out of the league. They must be saying Melo level is that step below that. Since Melo hasn't won any MVPs or anything its a fair viewpoint.

Melo is just a classic example of an elite player who falls short of "best in NBA" status because his game isn't rounded out enough. Whether or not people feel he has underachieved in his career depends on a lot of things. Same goes for someone like D Wilkins, an elite player in his own right, but significantly less successful in the NBA as Jordan, Bird, and Magic. Melo is the Dominique of this generation. So they are questioning if Wiggins will be the next player to fall into that category, or actually develop into a all-time great.

very good post. I was thinking about Melo as Nique the other day (minus the crazy dunks etc.)

on other thought: MJ before Phil (i.e., in the Doug Collins days) was a lot like Nique. Not saying Phil will have the same effect on Melo, but it certainly would be nice if they continue to impress on Melo that he needs to contribute in other ways if he wants to get to the next level

We all hope and are hoping that somehow Melo can transform into Paul Pierce of his latter Boston Celtic years. Pierce, too, was a one dimensional volume chucker, but once the big 4 was in tow, he sacrificed his game, and became a much more well rounded player.

So far we have the big 1 in KP, Melo hopefully can accept Betamax duties, and hopefully Afflalo and yet to be signed free agent can potentially form a broke ass version of the Big 4.

Pierce didnt change that much, if at all.. What changed is he got 2 HOFers next to him. Another joke of a post by you. If the Knicks brought in Chris Paul and DeAndre Jordan this year and won a title you would be saying it was in spite of Melo because we finally got two real stars. Everything with you is a Melo dick measuring contest. Its almost cute when you try to mask your melo-hate with real basketball chatter. Almost.

If you'd put away your Melo boner, you'd see comparing Melo transitioning his game to NBA Final's MVP Paul Pierce is a compliment of the highest order. Rounding out his game, as opposed to the chucker Pierce days when it was him and Antoine Walker taking 30 shots each.

Get a grip, dude, I'm trying to talk basketball, not talk about people's dicks.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:The title was obviously made to generate clicks but...man...that's pretty disrespectful.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14348723/minnesota-timberwolves-future-mvp-next-carmelo-anthony-nba

Not to Wiggins! If your choice is to be a generational MVP talent, or just another HOFer wow... I could work with that.

I get what you're saying (and I agree) but like mreinman said, it was not positive and a shot at Melo.

Yeah, only desperate Knicks fans would look at that title and think it was a compliment to Melo.
I'm not the biggest Melo fan but Wiggins has a long way to go just to get to Melo's level. Next MVP or Isiah Rider might have been a more accurate title.

Its is interesting that they would choose Melo as Wiggins plays nothing like Melo. The only thing I could see them trying to compare is that they feel Melo underachieved. Melo and Lebron were viewed and players that were going to take over the league Magic Johnson and Larry Bird style.

So they are most likely saying can Wiggins reach his full potential and be an MVP or arguably best player in the NBA or underachieve. Since they don't feel he will be a bust who turns into a role player or out of the league. They must be saying Melo level is that step below that. Since Melo hasn't won any MVPs or anything its a fair viewpoint.

Melo is just a classic example of an elite player who falls short of "best in NBA" status because his game isn't rounded out enough. Whether or not people feel he has underachieved in his career depends on a lot of things. Same goes for someone like D Wilkins, an elite player in his own right, but significantly less successful in the NBA as Jordan, Bird, and Magic. Melo is the Dominique of this generation. So they are questioning if Wiggins will be the next player to fall into that category, or actually develop into a all-time great.

very good post. I was thinking about Melo as Nique the other day (minus the crazy dunks etc.)

on other thought: MJ before Phil (i.e., in the Doug Collins days) was a lot like Nique. Not saying Phil will have the same effect on Melo, but it certainly would be nice if they continue to impress on Melo that he needs to contribute in other ways if he wants to get to the next level

We all hope and are hoping that somehow Melo can transform into Paul Pierce of his latter Boston Celtic years. Pierce, too, was a one dimensional volume chucker, but once the big 4 was in tow, he sacrificed his game, and became a much more well rounded player.

So far we have the big 1 in KP, Melo hopefully can accept Betamax duties, and hopefully Afflalo and yet to be signed free agent can potentially form a broke ass version of the Big 4.

Pierce didnt change that much, if at all.. What changed is he got 2 HOFers next to him. Another joke of a post by you. If the Knicks brought in Chris Paul and DeAndre Jordan this year and won a title you would be saying it was in spite of Melo because we finally got two real stars. Everything with you is a Melo dick measuring contest. Its almost cute when you try to mask your melo-hate with real basketball chatter. Almost.

If you'd put away your Melo boner, you'd see comparing Melo transitioning his game to NBA Final's MVP Paul Pierce is a compliment of the highest order. Rounding out his game, as opposed to the chucker Pierce days when it was him and Antoine Walker taking 30 shots each.

Get a grip, dude, I'm trying to talk basketball, not talk about people's dicks.

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:The title was obviously made to generate clicks but...man...that's pretty disrespectful.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14348723/minnesota-timberwolves-future-mvp-next-carmelo-anthony-nba

Not to Wiggins! If your choice is to be a generational MVP talent, or just another HOFer wow... I could work with that.

I get what you're saying (and I agree) but like mreinman said, it was not positive and a shot at Melo.

Yeah, only desperate Knicks fans would look at that title and think it was a compliment to Melo.
I'm not the biggest Melo fan but Wiggins has a long way to go just to get to Melo's level. Next MVP or Isiah Rider might have been a more accurate title.

Its is interesting that they would choose Melo as Wiggins plays nothing like Melo. The only thing I could see them trying to compare is that they feel Melo underachieved. Melo and Lebron were viewed and players that were going to take over the league Magic Johnson and Larry Bird style.

So they are most likely saying can Wiggins reach his full potential and be an MVP o& arguably best player in the NBA or underachieve. Since they don't feel he will be a bust who turns into a role player or out of the league. They must be saying Melo level is that step below that. Since Melo hasn't won any MVPs or anything its a fair viewpoint.

They would not say the next Patrick Ewing. Ewing never won an MVP or a ring. That is because players like Ewing are great regardless of rings or mvp's. They gave it their all every night.

Melo is that guy who coming into the NBA and really early you thought that this guy will just be off the charts however he never lived up to what he could be because of a mental block that made him care (or believe) way too much about HIS shots and buckets and not always about defense and/or passing. Basically a selfish player.

Barkley and Malone won mvp's late but never rings and of course even before their rings, no one would have made such a comparison with them.

So basically your saying they are only using Melo's name to reference a player who underachieved due to selfishness and inability to make others better or be an all around player.

pretty much ... however, he did make others better, just not on the level that was expected of a player who is that talented and has such high expectations.

Has Wiggins showns signs of this though? Or are they just throwing Melo under the bus to feed there viewpoint on what a basketball player should be?

Wiggins has shown nothing to warrant being in such a conversation comparing him to a highly esteemed player.

GustavBahler wrote:MVP or Scoring Champion? Both good options as a ceiling.

Wiggins as MVP? That is pretty laughable.

And for ESPN to imply that Melo is his basement is also laughable. Wiggins should pray to have as good a career as Melo.

Where are all the advanced stats guys on Wiggins? His win shares per 48 are horrendous. His fg% is terrible.

Comparing him to Melo is an insult. Melo made the playoffs the first two years of his NBA career, back when the West was a lot tougher.

Melo made the playoffs in his rookie season during the Lakers with Kobe/Shaq, Duncan's prime with the Spurs, Nash/Nowitzki Mavs, KG winning the MVP with Timberwolves, Chris Webber on the Kings, Houston with Yao Ming and McGrady, Memphis with Pau Gasol and co winning 50 games.

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:The title was obviously made to generate clicks but...man...that's pretty disrespectful.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14348723/minnesota-timberwolves-future-mvp-next-carmelo-anthony-nba

Not to Wiggins! If your choice is to be a generational MVP talent, or just another HOFer wow... I could work with that.

I get what you're saying (and I agree) but like mreinman said, it was not positive and a shot at Melo.

Yeah, only desperate Knicks fans would look at that title and think it was a compliment to Melo.
I'm not the biggest Melo fan but Wiggins has a long way to go just to get to Melo's level. Next MVP or Isiah Rider might have been a more accurate title.

Its is interesting that they would choose Melo as Wiggins plays nothing like Melo. The only thing I could see them trying to compare is that they feel Melo underachieved. Melo and Lebron were viewed and players that were going to take over the league Magic Johnson and Larry Bird style.

So they are most likely saying can Wiggins reach his full potential and be an MVP o& arguably best player in the NBA or underachieve. Since they don't feel he will be a bust who turns into a role player or out of the league. They must be saying Melo level is that step below that. Since Melo hasn't won any MVPs or anything its a fair viewpoint.

They would not say the next Patrick Ewing. Ewing never won an MVP or a ring. That is because players like Ewing are great regardless of rings or mvp's. They gave it their all every night.

Melo is that guy who coming into the NBA and really early you thought that this guy will just be off the charts however he never lived up to what he could be because of a mental block that made him care (or believe) way too much about HIS shots and buckets and not always about defense and/or passing. Basically a selfish player.

Barkley and Malone won mvp's late but never rings and of course even before their rings, no one would have made such a comparison with them.

So basically your saying they are only using Melo's name to reference a player who underachieved due to selfishness and inability to make others better or be an all around player.

pretty much ... however, he did make others better, just not on the level that was expected of a player who is that talented and has such high expectations.

Has Wiggins showns signs of this though? Or are they just throwing Melo under the bus to feed there viewpoint on what a basketball player should be?

Wiggins has shown nothing to warrant being in such a conversation comparing him to a highly esteemed player.

Who do you think will become the Alpha? Wiggins or Towns?

They are also wasting talents like Deing and Muhammad

GustavBahler wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:MVP or Scoring Champion? Both good options as a ceiling.

Wiggins as MVP? That is pretty laughable.

And for ESPN to imply that Melo is his basement is also laughable. Wiggins should pray to have as good a career as Melo.

Where are all the advanced stats guys on Wiggins? His win shares per 48 are horrendous. His fg% is terrible.

Comparing him to Melo is an insult. Melo made the playoffs the first two years of his NBA career, back when the West was a lot tougher.

Melo made the playoffs in his rookie season during the Lakers with Kobe/Shaq, Duncan's prime with the Spurs, Nash/Nowitzki Mavs, KG winning the MVP with Timberwolves, Chris Webber on the Kings, Houston with Yao Ming and McGrady, Memphis with Pau Gasol and co winning 50 games.

Dont know why this rant came after a pretty innocuous statement.

Sorry, taking issue with the article. But Wiggins has done very little to show he has an MVP ceiling. Towns has shown that more already than Wiggins has.