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I agree with this: Carmelo "I don't get foul calls because I don't flop."
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12/9/2015  6:24 PM
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mreinman wrote:
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crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

geeeez stop.

Harden may get a 1 or 2 extra a game (which is a lot)

Harden averages 10 pts a night from the line. The guy makes games brutal to watch in my opinion.

that is not flopping. You just don't like players who drive and can get fouled.

You must have hated shaq.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  6:27 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

geeeez stop.

Harden may get a 1 or 2 extra a game (which is a lot)

Harden averages 10 pts a night from the line. The guy makes games brutal to watch in my opinion.

that is not flopping. You just don't like players who drive and can get fouled.

You must have hated shaq.

Not at all. I just wish the calls were equitable. Are you saying Harden doesn't flop?
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12/9/2015  6:33 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

geeeez stop.

Harden may get a 1 or 2 extra a game (which is a lot)

Harden averages 10 pts a night from the line. The guy makes games brutal to watch in my opinion.

that is not flopping. You just don't like players who drive and can get fouled.

You must have hated shaq.

Not at all. I just wish the calls were equitable. Are you saying Harden doesn't flop?

of course he does but it exaggerated a lot here just like everything else the minions don't like,

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  6:37 PM
btw, this quote from Melo has Phil written all over it and I love that zen sh1t.
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  6:38 PM
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

geeeez stop.

Harden may get a 1 or 2 extra a game (which is a lot)

Harden averages 10 pts a night from the line. The guy makes games brutal to watch in my opinion.

that is not flopping. You just don't like players who drive and can get fouled.

You must have hated shaq.

Not at all. I just wish the calls were equitable. Are you saying Harden doesn't flop?

of course he does but it exaggerated a lot here just like everything else the minions don't like,

I don't know what game u've been watching. The one other guy in this league who really doesn't get calls is Westbrook. That dudes attacks the boards so hard, guys are afraid to step in front of him. Melo's lack of athleticism is also hurting him, because he mostly settles for jumpers or often fumbles the ball when he drives the basket.

Thank God Fisher is no longer our coach, now let's get Calderon out of here:)
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12/9/2015  6:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/9/2015  6:43 PM
this is a good take:

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2015/12/9/9881462/carmelo-anthony-believes-he-doesnt-get-the-foul-calls-hes-due-is-he

And I actually really like Melo's quotes on this and in many ways, he is right. Shaq should have gone to the line 40 times a game but the fact that he was so strong he would just play through the fouls without getting off balance.

He still has to work on his footwork and head fakes so that he can play smartly into his 30's and not try to ram in so many points.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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12/9/2015  6:52 PM
mreinman wrote:btw, this quote from Melo has Phil written all over it and I love that zen sh1t.

I believe he has said it before. I don't think it came from Phil. Melo knows he is getting hacked constantly without getting the calls other guys do. He just got to a point where he lost it a bit.
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12/9/2015  7:46 PM
Fisher is the one who is supposed to be saying this and is the one who should have exploded. Melo gets waked, hacked, and held so much and it's not even close and the only explanation refs have is he creates the contact. The funny thing is that is the same quote refs will give you why Harden gets call.

The crazy thing is Melo can get clubbed with his headband knocked sideways or off and the refs will look at him stupid. Its has gotten so bad that Mike Breen is calling out the officiating. You go to other boards and posters that don't like him admits he gets mauled nightly.
It is what it is though. As a player you have to adapt.

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12/9/2015  7:56 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Fisher is the one who is supposed to be saying this and is the one who should have exploded. Melo gets waked, hacked, and held so much and it's not even close and the only explanation refs have is he creates the contact. The funny thing is that is the same quote refs will give you why Harden gets call.

The crazy thing is Melo can get clubbed with his headband knocked sideways or off and the refs will look at him stupid. Its has gotten so bad that Mike Breen is calling out the officiating. You go to other boards and posters that don't like him admits he gets mauled nightly.
It is what it is though. As a player you have to adapt.


Well said. Also, Breen doesn't like Melo. I guess the guys that 'like Melo when he plays the right way' here are a bit more passionate about not supporting the guy they villanize even if it impacts the outcome of games.
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12/9/2015  8:14 PM
melo is too aggressive and physical for todays game to get those calls. Funny how a guy shooting a 3 gets nicked by a half inch, and he's taking free throws.

Yesterday they had 12 fouls called on 3 point attempts from various games..4 years ago they had 4 total for the entire season in the entire league.

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12/10/2015  3:35 AM
I'm willing to bet that if Melo started flopping, he'd get fined for it more than anyone else hahaaaaa.
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12/10/2015  7:15 AM
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crzymdups wrote:
mreinman wrote:

2 things:

1. Melo is older so he does not have the same speed to create fouls
2. The whole team gets to the foul line less which I think is based on early triangle pain

I definitely agree with point 2.

I'm less sure about point 1, but it could be right.

Easy enough to test. Identify a handful of players that profile in the ballpark as Melo, see if you can find any trends in decline in FTA per 36/48 or 100 poss during the course of a carer.

If a unmistakable pattern exists, MR is likely correct.


By the time an NBA player hits 30, the trend is that every good stat (points, FTs, everything) declines.
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12/10/2015  7:26 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
mreinman wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
crzymdups wrote:I agree strongly with this. I will now duck and hide from the Melo haters.

http://nypost.com/2015/12/09/carmelo-rant-refs-snub-me-because-im-too-strong-to-flop/

SALT LAKE CITY — A candid Carmelo Anthony explained his recent frustrations at not getting enough foul calls, saying he’s been told by referees he’s the most “difficult player’’ to officiate and vowing he will never flop.

Anthony, who has received a technical foul in two straight games, is in a five-game slump with his shooting percentage dipping to 40.6 percent on the season. He admitted his wife, La La, chastised him for yelling at the women’s referee Lauren Holtkamp in Monday’s loss to the Mavericks.

“They just tell me I’m the most difficult player to referee in the NBA,’’ Anthony said at the morning shootaround in Utah. “I’ve heard that a couple of times. It’s unclear on who is creating the contact. My goal is to go to the basket. If I’m creating the contact going toward the basket [and] I get hit, it’s a foul.’’

Anthony is one of the most physical drivers in the game, but said he feels he’s recently not being effective because he’s not getting to the free-throw line.

“I always get fouled,’’ Anthony said. “That’s what’s frustrating me. You play so hard, work so hard and don’t benefit from that. You look at other guys, you touch them and look at them wrong and get fouls. It’s a frustrating thing for me as a guy who likes to go to the basket, play in the paint. I like to play physical. It’s frustrating.

“I’m human,’’ Anthony added. “Those frustrations kick in at times, especially when you’re down there banging and know you’re getting banged on. I don’t know what else to do. I don’t know how to play another way.’’

So does he need to sell the foul more?

“See, I don’t know how to flop, that’s the thing,” Anthony said. “Nowadays guys know how to flop, get hit and put their head back. I don’t know how to flop. I won’t even look right trying to do that. I won’t even feel right trying it.

“A lot of times I get hit and I still continue to get to my spots just because I’m big and strong. A lot of guys get hit and they stop. I’m not saying they’re flopping, but they’re lighter than me. I can take a lot more physicality.”

Anthony’s extended remarks put him at risk of drawing a fine from the NBA. The league frowns on players criticizing the officiating.

But it’s not just the whistles. Anthony still believes he’s not in full groove after shutting down last season in February to undergo knee surgery and not getting on the court until August.

“The looks are there,’’ Anthony said. “Some days the rhythm is there, some days it’s not. It’s me staying in the gym finding that rhythm. Some nights they go in, some nights they don’t. There’s weeks it’s been back and games it’s not back. As a competitor, I get frustrated because I know I put so much work on those parts of my game, and when it doesn’t work out, I beat myself up.’’

The Knicks have lost six of their past eight games, and Derek Fisher has upped the level of urgency, staging a 70-minute morning shootaround after complaining of lack of practice time.

“We have to start looking at things and tightening up,’’ Anthony said. “The only time you can do that is in practice. When you don’t have that practice time, you start thinking about that. But now we got to go with it and got to get better in the games and use that as the experience and figure it out on the fly, too.’’

Anthony said the Knicks have held players meetings, and unlike heated ones in the past, these have gone smoothly.

“There’s no egos on this team,’’ Anthony said.

It's a great point. He almost never flops or tries to oversell the contact.

Melo is to be blamed for not adjusting his game. Harden makes a living flopping. He adds more the. 12 points to his average every game from doing just that. Melo needs to take acting class and learn how to flop. It is an art he must master

geeeez stop.

Harden may get a 1 or 2 extra a game (which is a lot)

Harden averages 10 pts a night from the line. The guy makes games brutal to watch in my opinion.

that is not flopping. You just don't like players who drive and can get fouled.

You must have hated shaq.

Not at all. I just wish the calls were equitable. Are you saying Harden doesn't flop?

Sometimes but it's usually just exaggerating actual contact. The players around the league respect him enough to have voted him MVP last year.
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12/10/2015  7:54 AM
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yellowboy90 wrote:Fisher is the one who is supposed to be saying this and is the one who should have exploded. Melo gets waked, hacked, and held so much and it's not even close and the only explanation refs have is he creates the contact. The funny thing is that is the same quote refs will give you why Harden gets call.

The crazy thing is Melo can get clubbed with his headband knocked sideways or off and the refs will look at him stupid. Its has gotten so bad that Mike Breen is calling out the officiating. You go to other boards and posters that don't like him admits he gets mauled nightly.
It is what it is though. As a player you have to adapt.


Well said. Also, Breen doesn't like Melo. I guess the guys that 'like Melo when he plays the right way' here are a bit more passionate about not supporting the guy they villanize even if it impacts the outcome of games.

"breen doesn't like melo" sounds like an educated guess.

melo has played bully ball his entire career and has never bothered to incorporate a pierce-like arsenal of fakes and step-backs. pierce often has initiated contact but instead of continuing to barrel to the basket, steps back and drills midrange to long distance shots. not only that but he is a great faker. melo should acknowledge his declining athleticism and loss of youth and finally expand his game in this manner... something i have been hoping for for several years. he needs to play smarter and with more savvy and poise.

time to stop using the "recovery from surgery" as an excuse.

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12/10/2015  8:06 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Fisher is the one who is supposed to be saying this and is the one who should have exploded. Melo gets waked, hacked, and held so much and it's not even close and the only explanation refs have is he creates the contact. The funny thing is that is the same quote refs will give you why Harden gets call.

The crazy thing is Melo can get clubbed with his headband knocked sideways or off and the refs will look at him stupid. Its has gotten so bad that Mike Breen is calling out the officiating. You go to other boards and posters that don't like him admits he gets mauled nightly.
It is what it is though. As a player you have to adapt.


Well said. Also, Breen doesn't like Melo. I guess the guys that 'like Melo when he plays the right way' here are a bit more passionate about not supporting the guy they villanize even if it impacts the outcome of games.
I think that's a little overdramatic. Honestly Breen has really gone out of his way to say good things about melo this year. I like Breen because he is objective which I like. If a player is playing great they will get the praise if they aren't they they will get criticism, nothing wrong with that
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12/10/2015  8:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2015  8:57 AM
dk7th wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:Fisher is the one who is supposed to be saying this and is the one who should have exploded. Melo gets waked, hacked, and held so much and it's not even close and the only explanation refs have is he creates the contact. The funny thing is that is the same quote refs will give you why Harden gets call.

The crazy thing is Melo can get clubbed with his headband knocked sideways or off and the refs will look at him stupid. Its has gotten so bad that Mike Breen is calling out the officiating. You go to other boards and posters that don't like him admits he gets mauled nightly.
It is what it is though. As a player you have to adapt.


Well said. Also, Breen doesn't like Melo. I guess the guys that 'like Melo when he plays the right way' here are a bit more passionate about not supporting the guy they villanize even if it impacts the outcome of games.

"breen doesn't like melo" sounds like an educated guess.

melo has played bully ball his entire career and has never bothered to incorporate a pierce-like arsenal of fakes and step-backs. pierce often has initiated contact but instead of continuing to barrel to the basket, steps back and drills midrange to long distance shots. not only that but he is a great faker. melo should acknowledge his declining athleticism and loss of youth and finally expand his game in this manner... something i have been hoping for for several years. he needs to play smarter and with more savvy and poise.

time to stop using the "recovery from surgery" as an excuse.

I think that this is, as critical fans, all we ever wanted from Melo. To evolve his game in this stage of his career more than just attempting to play the same way he has when he was 20.

He's 31 and on the wrong side of his prime. He'd be better served for his body and the remainder of his career to exercise less jab steps and quick pull up jumpers and bully paint points, and more pivots, head pumps, bank shots, etc. He should also take a step down from trying to initiate the offense from the top of the key, as he has to expend so much energy trying to cross over his man and dribble from the 3 point to taking a low percentage long 2. He should park himself in the corner more often, so he can just catch and shoot in one motion, which he hits a higher percentage of shots.

One can only hope the light bulb goes off on his head like how Paul Pierce, KG, Ray Allen, Karl Malone, Tim Duncan, etc adjusted their games in their twilights.

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12/10/2015  9:07 AM
Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.
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12/10/2015  9:53 AM
Vmart wrote:Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.

OK so maybe this is just semantic but for me there is a difference between flopping and selling a foul. One is an outright lie and the other is a heightened reaction to a foul that is surely there.

Melo got to sell his fouls more.

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12/10/2015  10:01 AM
martin wrote:
Vmart wrote:Unfortunately for Melo flopping is part of the game and its an art form. Just as a three pointer is or a turn around jumper he has to practice it. Take acting lessons if he must.

OK so maybe this is just semantic but for me there is a difference between flopping and selling a foul. One is an outright lie and the other is a heightened reaction to a foul that is surely there.

Melo got to sell his fouls more.

Flopping is something you either practice and it's part of your game. Selling a foul is slightly different, but it's where Melo is not good at. Instead of getting up slow and complaining to the refs (while his man is running a fast break).....use that energy to sell your foul in real time, then get back on defense. This will make the ref look closer at the next foul on Melo. But when he just complains and complains....he's going to get even less calls.

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12/10/2015  10:04 AM
knicks1248 wrote:melo is too aggressive and physical for todays game to get those calls. Funny how a guy shooting a 3 gets nicked by a half inch, and he's taking free throws.

Yesterday they had 12 fouls called on 3 point attempts from various games..4 years ago they had 4 total for the entire season in the entire league.

that is a crazy crazy stat !

I agree with this: Carmelo "I don't get foul calls because I don't flop."

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