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blkexec
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12/8/2015  4:30 PM
anrst wrote:big ball beats small ball every single time. its just the league is too stupid and thinks they should try and emulate and beat the warriors at their own game.

cleveland almost beat that group of smalls from golden state. mozgov could not be stopped, but then blatt sat him on the bench for some reason.

A fast, quick and good shooting / passing small ball team....beats a slow big ball team any day. The problem is the bigs in todays game have low IQ and low skill sets. The nba went away from drafting bigs based on college production....and started drafting bigs based on NBA potential. So now we are seeing the results of that potential. Meanwhile, good teams are snagging the high IQ wingmen, and simply getting better....while bad teams are still stuck on potential.

Right now, in todays game.....with the players in todays NBA.....the right small ball team will dominate all day. Wilt, Shaq, Russell.....they all retired and they aint coming back any time soon. All the future draft picks and HS stars, all have legit guard like skills.....The big man position is becoming extinct. Next will be the old school PG position. The league is going to be full of high flying guards and forwards. Thats equates to small ball. Better run with it or get run over.

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12/8/2015  4:52 PM
blkexec wrote:
anrst wrote:big ball beats small ball every single time. its just the league is too stupid and thinks they should try and emulate and beat the warriors at their own game.

cleveland almost beat that group of smalls from golden state. mozgov could not be stopped, but then blatt sat him on the bench for some reason.

A fast, quick and good shooting / passing small ball team....beats a slow big ball team any day. The problem is the bigs in todays game have low IQ and low skill sets. The nba went away from drafting bigs based on college production....and started drafting bigs based on NBA potential. So now we are seeing the results of that potential. Meanwhile, good teams are snagging the high IQ wingmen, and simply getting better....while bad teams are still stuck on potential.

Right now, in todays game.....with the players in todays NBA.....the right small ball team will dominate all day. Wilt, Shaq, Russell.....they all retired and they aint coming back any time soon. All the future draft picks and HS stars, all have legit guard like skills.....The big man position is becoming extinct. Next will be the old school PG position. The league is going to be full of high flying guards and forwards. Thats equates to small ball. Better run with it or get run over.

Good point. KP moves like a guard at 7-3. A bit lanky with them long limbs but to scale he is fundmentally smooth than potential Power.

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12/8/2015  5:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2015  5:32 PM
Nalod wrote:
blkexec wrote:
anrst wrote:big ball beats small ball every single time. its just the league is too stupid and thinks they should try and emulate and beat the warriors at their own game.

cleveland almost beat that group of smalls from golden state. mozgov could not be stopped, but then blatt sat him on the bench for some reason.

A fast, quick and good shooting / passing small ball team....beats a slow big ball team any day. The problem is the bigs in todays game have low IQ and low skill sets. The nba went away from drafting bigs based on college production....and started drafting bigs based on NBA potential. So now we are seeing the results of that potential. Meanwhile, good teams are snagging the high IQ wingmen, and simply getting better....while bad teams are still stuck on potential.

Right now, in todays game.....with the players in todays NBA.....the right small ball team will dominate all day. Wilt, Shaq, Russell.....they all retired and they aint coming back any time soon. All the future draft picks and HS stars, all have legit guard like skills.....The big man position is becoming extinct. Next will be the old school PG position. The league is going to be full of high flying guards and forwards. Thats equates to small ball. Better run with it or get run over.

Good point. KP moves like a guard at 7-3. A bit lanky with them long limbs but to scale he is fundmentally smooth than potential Power.

You know whats funny....I said KP has moves like a guard, coming off screens and shooting jumpers, before he played one NBA game. I got all kinds of negative responses. Now those same posters are very quiet. lol

KP is un-guardable period. And as the season goes on, and he starts to understand this, he will be able to dominate. KP alone will attract other stars more than Melo, because of his flexibility. KP can play multiple positions and multiple systems. I think he's the prototypical small ball center this league is heading towards. And really it's going back to what the league had before.....Tall lanky 7 footers instead of the big round centers like Shaq. This is why we drafted Sweetney from Georgetown, but we were behind the curve.....trying to catchup. And now this is why we drafted KP.....You have to stay ahead of the curve. If you want to win a championship, you have to have a flexible team with flexible players. Can I dream for a second.......?

KP - Center
KD - PF
Melo - SF
AA - SG
Rondo - PG

If only I had NBA 2k16......I would love to start a new season with those guys on a video game.

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12/8/2015  6:52 PM
IMO the best option is to have a BIG Team that has small ball skills with their bigs. It's also not easy to do roster wise. Phil wants big guards partly because of that aspect of things on defense and offense. Having rangy bigs who can cover ground on D and move and score like a smaller player was also something Phil talked about. You want taller and longer players with the most skills, quicks and athletic ability you can get. KP gives this team a flexibility that is of the highest value. It's also why he drafted Jerian, a big guard with a high IQ and skills. It does take more than 22 games to develop tho!!! Phil still has work to do in building around KP and we'll see what he does with the roster over time.

This team's biggest issue is that they are still developing and growing. They are still learning the system and each other. 22 games and a lot of fans think it should all be perfect by now. Somehow the style of ball would fix all of our problems. It's not always that easy. This team depends not just on a few vets but also a bunch of young players who have a lot to learn. Teaching them the nuances of the Triangle is teaching them how to THINK the game and not just use simplistic plays like PnR. Yes that stuff does work in the regular season but when it comes to the playoffs you don't see teams scoring easily off PnR actions like you do in the regular season. 3's are as wide open anymore. The Triangle is not based on those things and so when it comes to the playoffs you are already used to playing a playoff style of ball.

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12/8/2015  6:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/8/2015  7:13 PM
nixluva wrote:IMO the best option is to have a BIG Team that has small ball skills with their bigs. It's also not easy to do roster wise. Phil wants big guards partly because of that aspect of things on defense and offense. Having rangy bigs who can cover ground on D and move and score like a smaller player was also something Phil talked about. You want taller and longer players with the most skills, quicks and athletic ability you can get. KP gives this team a flexibility that is of the highest value. It's also why he drafted Jerian, a big guard with a high IQ and skills. It does take more than 22 games to develop tho!!! Phil still has work to do in building around KP and we'll see what he does with the roster over time.

This team's biggest issue is that they are still developing and growing. They are still learning the system and each other. 22 games and a lot of fans think it should all be perfect by now. Somehow the style of ball would fix all of our problems. It's not always that easy. This team depends not just on a few vets but also a bunch of young players who have a lot to learn. Teaching them the nuances of the Triangle is teaching them how to THINK the game and not just use simplistic plays like PnR. Yes that stuff does work in the regular season but when it comes to the playoffs you don't see teams scoring easily off PnR actions like you do in the regular season. 3's are as wide open anymore. The Triangle is not based on those things and so when it comes to the playoffs you are already used to playing a playoff style of ball.

I see nothing wrong with having more than 1 system. Think about football, and how much they switch up their defense and offense.

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12/8/2015  8:24 PM
blkexec wrote:
nixluva wrote:IMO the best option is to have a BIG Team that has small ball skills with their bigs. It's also not easy to do roster wise. Phil wants big guards partly because of that aspect of things on defense and offense. Having rangy bigs who can cover ground on D and move and score like a smaller player was also something Phil talked about. You want taller and longer players with the most skills, quicks and athletic ability you can get. KP gives this team a flexibility that is of the highest value. It's also why he drafted Jerian, a big guard with a high IQ and skills. It does take more than 22 games to develop tho!!! Phil still has work to do in building around KP and we'll see what he does with the roster over time.

This team's biggest issue is that they are still developing and growing. They are still learning the system and each other. 22 games and a lot of fans think it should all be perfect by now. Somehow the style of ball would fix all of our problems. It's not always that easy. This team depends not just on a few vets but also a bunch of young players who have a lot to learn. Teaching them the nuances of the Triangle is teaching them how to THINK the game and not just use simplistic plays like PnR. Yes that stuff does work in the regular season but when it comes to the playoffs you don't see teams scoring easily off PnR actions like you do in the regular season. 3's are as wide open anymore. The Triangle is not based on those things and so when it comes to the playoffs you are already used to playing a playoff style of ball.

I see nothing wrong with having more than 1 system. Think about football, and how much they switch up their defense and offense.


You don't really need another system as much as just playing ball early in the clock. The Triangle is just a base. It's only rigid if you make it that way. FEAR and a lack of experience in the system, is what keeps these players from expanding on the Triangle. There's literally NOTHING in the Triangle that prohibits the players from running what they want to run. The entire point of the system is for the team to be on the same page while still having a free flowing offense. Since there is no actual "play" the players can do what they want within the systems parameters.

Once they get into the Triangle spacing there's no reason they can't have a PnR out of the Pinch Post! There's nothing stopping the players from clearing out and going 4 out and 1 in. They do this often during games after the post player gets the ball and the wings cut thru. There's nothing stopping the tam from playing up tempo but themselves. The 1st rule in Triangle is to push the ball and look for early offense. You can do that every time down, but it's up to the players to actually do it. Fish has been begging for them to push the tempo. The only reason to get into the Triangle is after the defense stops any early offense you may attempt. Even then you can still call for a Screen and work off of that and the PG can direct the post player not to go into the Strong Side Triangle but rather come and set a screen.

What i'm saying is that this is almost TOTALLY up to the players. The system is not rigid. This is why you never heard any talk about this stuff over the decades teams have been playing in the system. Kobe played most of his career in the system and had no problem being creative or attacking the basket. We have to wait on our players to actually learn and master THINKING the game but playing more instinctively based on smart decision making.

The Knicks set screens for their guards just like other teams. A guard is free to call for one at any time. They don't have to force it into the post every time down. Thing is, Jose is not comfortable as a penetrator and Gallo isn't that kind of guard either. Affalalo isn't an explosive guard either. Jerian is much more aggressive but still learning and he isn't confident enough as a shooter to make defenses respect him. These are the biggest problems for this team. This leads to more slow and post oriented offense.

Phuch Small Ball!!!!!!!

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