meloanyk wrote:Lopez isnt the problem nor answer, he wasnt brought in here for offense but for all the intangibles he brings. Forget Monroe and his crappy D .We need to stop blaming a triangle that is more in theory than practice. Fact is our starting five is offensively fine as we start three established scorers. Melo just cant continue to shoot at 40% if we are to win games (the others are all in the range of 45-48%) nor can we expect two green kids to produce with any consistency. Be nice if Phil can somehow get a veteran guard who can score off bench. Id be willing use Galloway and Oquinn (because they dont play him for whatever reason) to get that piece

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:At what point will you all realize that the headcoach is the problem? You all are proposing trades, but reluctant to identify the real issue. It doesn't matter who you bring in, if the coaching is horrendous, those players too will struggle. Take a look at our rotation; the players don't substitute themselves!

its one big losing streak away my man... this year we have a lot more talent so if fish can't get the job done with KP,Melo,AA the biggest issue is fish is over using melo its a long season stop playing him that length of the first and third quarters... he's whipped for the second and the forth...

and he is way to player loyal which is why his rotation and starting line up is messed up

at the beginning of the season i saw so much potential in that second unit with d will (lost confidence), gallo (lost confidence), O'quinn (lost confidence),grant,seraphin

fish's inability to adjust on a game by game basis is really bad i mean just look at how the switching was not working and it took till the game was out of reach till we stopped . thats on the coach he needs to adjust the gameplan he was simply out coached by rick last night. by the time fish realized that the best line up was KP,Melo,LT,AA,jose it was too late. also most coaches aren't afraid to switch the starting line up when we have lost 6 of the last 8 games in those six loses we went down fast and by the time fish adjusted it was far to late.

I for one believe with good coaching this team is defiantly a playoff team in the east which i feel is very important that we do make the playoffs because free agents will want to come and play with KP and Melo. or at the very least be 500 ball club

my guess is that eventually kurt rambus takes over at some point. kurt did a very good job when fish got thrown out.

ah yes ... mr ram-bus has proven to be an excellent head coach

blkexec wrote:Robin Lopez is a good player in a bad system

I respect your opinion, so you can respect mine.

I believe you are over exaggerating the words good and bad.

Lopez is not a good player.....He's average for his position.

The triangle is not a bad system......You can't win 11 rings with a bad system.

He has been a good player for the last few years and has been very efficient while playing very good defense.

This is not a "bad" system, it is bad for him and may not be nearly as good as newer, more modern, more efficient systems. It obviously had its time and place.

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:At what point will you all realize that the headcoach is the problem? You all are proposing trades, but reluctant to identify the real issue. It doesn't matter who you bring in, if the coaching is horrendous, those players too will struggle. Take a look at our rotation; the players don't substitute themselves!

its one big losing streak away my man... this year we have a lot more talent so if fish can't get the job done with KP,Melo,AA the biggest issue is fish is over using melo its a long season stop playing him that length of the first and third quarters... he's whipped for the second and the forth...

and he is way to player loyal which is why his rotation and starting line up is messed up

at the beginning of the season i saw so much potential in that second unit with d will (lost confidence), gallo (lost confidence), O'quinn (lost confidence),grant,seraphin

fish's inability to adjust on a game by game basis is really bad i mean just look at how the switching was not working and it took till the game was out of reach till we stopped . thats on the coach he needs to adjust the gameplan he was simply out coached by rick last night. by the time fish realized that the best line up was KP,Melo,LT,AA,jose it was too late. also most coaches aren't afraid to switch the starting line up when we have lost 6 of the last 8 games in those six loses we went down fast and by the time fish adjusted it was far to late.

I for one believe with good coaching this team is defiantly a playoff team in the east which i feel is very important that we do make the playoffs because free agents will want to come and play with KP and Melo. or at the very least be 500 ball club

my guess is that eventually kurt rambus takes over at some point. kurt did a very good job when fish got thrown out.

ah yes ... mr ram-bus has proven to be an excellent head coach

can't blame kurt for how things went in minnie that team was injury prone and terrible. fish should go somewhere and be a assistant and maybe in 5 years he'll be ready. again we've lost 6 of the last 8 games mainly because of extremely slow starts... its time for a line up shake up maybe rolo can fit better with the second unit cause he really seems lost with the first unit. i feel if we go with the line up we finished with last night we can really come out of the gates running... but again fish is to scared to make any changes cause he doesn't know how to adjust. i think if we go on a serious losing streak fish is history, in comes kurt.

ok ... we know how you feel.

Like andrew said to 1969, maybe its time to move on and stop posting the same thing over and over.

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:At what point will you all realize that the headcoach is the problem? You all are proposing trades, but reluctant to identify the real issue. It doesn't matter who you bring in, if the coaching is horrendous, those players too will struggle. Take a look at our rotation; the players don't substitute themselves!

its one big losing streak away my man... this year we have a lot more talent so if fish can't get the job done with KP,Melo,AA the biggest issue is fish is over using melo its a long season stop playing him that length of the first and third quarters... he's whipped for the second and the forth...

and he is way to player loyal which is why his rotation and starting line up is messed up

at the beginning of the season i saw so much potential in that second unit with d will (lost confidence), gallo (lost confidence), O'quinn (lost confidence),grant,seraphin

fish's inability to adjust on a game by game basis is really bad i mean just look at how the switching was not working and it took till the game was out of reach till we stopped . thats on the coach he needs to adjust the gameplan he was simply out coached by rick last night. by the time fish realized that the best line up was KP,Melo,LT,AA,jose it was too late. also most coaches aren't afraid to switch the starting line up when we have lost 6 of the last 8 games in those six loses we went down fast and by the time fish adjusted it was far to late.

I for one believe with good coaching this team is defiantly a playoff team in the east which i feel is very important that we do make the playoffs because free agents will want to come and play with KP and Melo. or at the very least be 500 ball club

my guess is that eventually kurt rambus takes over at some point. kurt did a very good job when fish got thrown out.

ah yes ... mr ram-bus has proven to be an excellent head coach

can't blame kurt for how things went in minnie that team was injury prone and terrible. fish should go somewhere and be a assistant and maybe in 5 years he'll be ready. again we've lost 6 of the last 8 games mainly because of extremely slow starts... its time for a line up shake up maybe rolo can fit better with the second unit cause he really seems lost with the first unit. i feel if we go with the line up we finished with last night we can really come out of the gates running... but again fish is to scared to make any changes cause he doesn't know how to adjust. i think if we go on a serious losing streak fish is history, in comes kurt.

ok ... we know how you feel.

Like andrew said to 1969, maybe its time to move on and stop posting the same thing over and over.

maybe we shouldn't have 4 different threads about wether rolo is a good player or a back up too. i mean how much can we talk about a player who is under performing or being misused by the system or the coach . maybe we should stop complaining about all the role players and just enjoy the fact that KP is incredible. we might be a sub 500 team with a clueless coach but at least we have Porzingis.... that thought makes me feel better everytime

I have many agenda's that I try to push and Rolo being better than he looks is only one of them.

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:Robin Lopez is a good player in a bad system

I respect your opinion, so you can respect mine.

I believe you are over exaggerating the words good and bad.

Lopez is not a good player.....He's average for his position.

The triangle is not a bad system......You can't win 11 rings with a bad system.

He has been a good player for the last few years and has been very efficient while playing very good defense.

This is not a "bad" system, it is bad for him and may not be nearly as good as newer, more modern, more efficient systems. It obviously had its time and place.

What would be the Knicks record if Phil were the coach??? Do you think Phil would be using all 13 players on the roster, or would he have a set rotation? Further, do you think Phil would try to slow the tempo or would he be preaching for the players to space the floor? I have seen Phil work wanders with a far less talented roster when Jordan retired the first time.

Knicks1969 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:Robin Lopez is a good player in a bad system

I respect your opinion, so you can respect mine.

I believe you are over exaggerating the words good and bad.

Lopez is not a good player.....He's average for his position.

The triangle is not a bad system......You can't win 11 rings with a bad system.

He has been a good player for the last few years and has been very efficient while playing very good defense.

This is not a "bad" system, it is bad for him and may not be nearly as good as newer, more modern, more efficient systems. It obviously had its time and place.

What would be the Knicks record if Phil were the coach??? Do you think Phil would be using all 13 players on the roster, or would he have a set rotation? Further, do you think Phil would try to slow the tempo or would he be preaching for the players to space the floor? I have seen Phil work wanders with a far less talented roster when Jordan retired the first time.

Phil would be talked about just like Fisher.....Everybody would say he's over the hill, after every 2 game losing streak. It's doesn't matter who's coaching.....Knick fans will always have something to complain about, until we win a championship.