WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He was intoxicated, he is clearly angry on the inside which allowed the hecklers and alcohal to release his anger. Do t want to put to much judgement on the actions of a drunk teen. He may need counseling though on how to deal with the anger he has inside and better ways to deal with it then alcohal.

Too many incidents for the Sixers to have not suspended him already.

This is one of the reasons I took early retirement as a NYC teacher a few years ago.

I was also the head disciplinary Dean in the school for over 5 years and it was easy to see where things were going. The person I answered to did everything to put the students word above those of the teachers and to minimize punishment for statistical reasons, and it got to the point that if you used humor and it could be interpreted the wrong way by a kid the teacher might face discipline. Kids are gaming a system that no longer holds them accountable. This goes for schoolwork and behavior in the school. Many teachers are fearful of giving kids the grades they deserve because it will look bad for the teacher.

This is the kind of atmosphere OK4 will have come from, and as a star athlete, OK4 would also benefit from the special privileges they usually get, too.

Self-discipline and self-criticism are gone- only things that matter are a kid's self-esteem and making him/her think that anything they do is special, even if it is mediocre.

I expect that OK4's father has probably been a negative influence on him, too. Clearly the kid has little self-discipline. Maybe he wasn't listening when somebody told him the "sticks and stones" advice for dealing with verbal abuse.

I don't want to hear that he is only 19. If this is an excuse for younger players then they should not be getting all the money they are being given or be allowed in the league in the first place. These guys are playing against adults in an adult league. Maybe 21 should be the minimum age for players coming into the league.

People's lives are actually affected by this type of crap, and people might be fired because of what has happened. Of course OK4 has nothing to worry about. 3rd pick in the draft...millionaire...future of the franchise...Stars and future stars will always be treated differently, and OK4 can use the "kid-card" to escape full responsibility for his actions. Christian Wood would have been released if he had been the main culprit, no doubt about that.

Maybe there should be probational contracts for players until they reach 21, with them getting mostly non-guaranteed money. Maybe this teaches them to be responsible adults because they might lose some $$.

Where is my good friendholfresh, now...a poster who more than once made fun of Phil looking at a player's character and background when considering drafting him.

Wonder if they end up finding some stuff in OK4's past that gives us an idea of why he is acting as he is.

The Sixers' brass really has to be held accountable too if they had knowledge of the type of things he's been doing, because they've clearly dropped the ball with OK4 so far.

Will be interesting to see what the consequences are.

He was recruited by Duke who hold character to a very high standard and there weren't any major character concerns on any scouting reports that have shown a trend of him being a problem child until now.

He should be suspended for his actions absolutely. That doesn't mean I have to destroy the kid as some type of piece of ****. The proper way to go about things is to first see of he needs some type of help. Then that would decide if he needs strict punishment as a better avenue as punishment isn't always the way to fix the problem.

ChuckBuck wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He was intoxicated, he is clearly angry on the inside which allowed the hecklers and alcohal to release his anger. Do t want to put to much judgement on the actions of a drunk teen. He may need counseling though on how to deal with the anger he has inside and better ways to deal with it then alcohal.

Too many incidents for the Sixers to have not suspended him already.

This is one of the reasons I took early retirement as a NYC teacher a few years ago.

I was also the head disciplinary Dean in the school for over 5 years and it was easy to see where things were going. The person I answered to did everything to put the students word above those of the teachers and to minimize punishment for statistical reasons, and it got to the point that if you used humor and it could be interpreted the wrong way by a kid the teacher might face discipline. Kids are gaming a system that no longer holds them accountable. This goes for schoolwork and behavior in the school. Many teachers are fearful of giving kids the grades they deserve because it will look bad for the teacher.

This is the kind of atmosphere OK4 will have come from, and as a star athlete, OK4 would also benefit from the special privileges they usually get, too.

Self-discipline and self-criticism are gone- only things that matter are a kid's self-esteem and making him/her think that anything they do is special, even if it is mediocre.

I expect that OK4's father has probably been a negative influence on him, too. Clearly the kid has little self-discipline. Maybe he wasn't listening when somebody told him the "sticks and stones" advice for dealing with verbal abuse.

I don't want to hear that he is only 19. If this is an excuse for younger players then they should not be getting all the money they are being given or be allowed in the league in the first place. These guys are playing against adults in an adult league. Maybe 21 should be the minimum age for players coming into the league.

People's lives are actually affected by this type of crap, and people might be fired because of what has happened. Of course OK4 has nothing to worry about. 3rd pick in the draft...millionaire...future of the franchise...Stars and future stars will always be treated differently, and OK4 can use the "kid-card" to escape full responsibility for his actions. Christian Wood would have been released if he had been the main culprit, no doubt about that.

Maybe there should be probational contracts for players until they reach 21, with them getting mostly non-guaranteed money. Maybe this teaches them to be responsible adults because they might lose some $$.

Where is my good friendholfresh, now...a poster who more than once made fun of Phil looking at a player's character and background when considering drafting him.

Wonder if they end up finding some stuff in OK4's past that gives us an idea of why he is acting as he is.

The Sixers' brass really has to be held accountable too if they had knowledge of the type of things he's been doing, because they've clearly dropped the ball with OK4 so far.

Will be interesting to see what the consequences are.

Thank you WaltLongmire! Only guy talking sense on the OK4 issue.

19 years old don't excuse shyt! I'm sure the majority of you Knicks posters weren't out at 2AM assaulting people because they called you a name. SO WHAT that he was drunk! When I drink I laugh my phucking ass off and have a good time. Before I got married if I went clubbin and got my drink on I tried to chase some female tail, like any hot blooded male dude would. Not commit first degree aggravated assault. They say alcohol reveals your true self...if you're angry drunk, you have deep seated anger and rage issues. If you like to laugh and dance, you're a generally happy person. If you get quiet, reserved, and depressed you better get some professional help ASAP.

You guys need to step back and take this for what it is. Dude is a spoiled entitled immature punk bitch. Hope he serves time and gets some suspension thrown his way. Only way to learn his lesson.

You state that if you are an angry drunk then you have deep seated anger and frustration. Then go on to say that he only is acting out because he is spoiled. If he has anger and rage issues then that's something that requires attention in order to fix the problem at the root. Handing out punishment while nessesary most likely wouldnt fix the problem at the root.

It could very well be only because he is a rich spoiled athlete. But there isn't enougj info to immedeatly come to this conclusion and its a lazy analysts of a player WS don't know enough about to come to any real conclusions.

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He was intoxicated, he is clearly angry on the inside which allowed the hecklers and alcohal to release his anger. Do t want to put to much judgement on the actions of a drunk teen. He may need counseling though on how to deal with the anger he has inside and better ways to deal with it then alcohal.

Too many incidents for the Sixers to have not suspended him already.

This is one of the reasons I took early retirement as a NYC teacher a few years ago.

I was also the head disciplinary Dean in the school for over 5 years and it was easy to see where things were going. The person I answered to did everything to put the students word above those of the teachers and to minimize punishment for statistical reasons, and it got to the point that if you used humor and it could be interpreted the wrong way by a kid the teacher might face discipline. Kids are gaming a system that no longer holds them accountable. This goes for schoolwork and behavior in the school. Many teachers are fearful of giving kids the grades they deserve because it will look bad for the teacher.

This is the kind of atmosphere OK4 will have come from, and as a star athlete, OK4 would also benefit from the special privileges they usually get, too.

Self-discipline and self-criticism are gone- only things that matter are a kid's self-esteem and making him/her think that anything they do is special, even if it is mediocre.

I expect that OK4's father has probably been a negative influence on him, too. Clearly the kid has little self-discipline. Maybe he wasn't listening when somebody told him the "sticks and stones" advice for dealing with verbal abuse.

I don't want to hear that he is only 19. If this is an excuse for younger players then they should not be getting all the money they are being given or be allowed in the league in the first place. These guys are playing against adults in an adult league. Maybe 21 should be the minimum age for players coming into the league.

People's lives are actually affected by this type of crap, and people might be fired because of what has happened. Of course OK4 has nothing to worry about. 3rd pick in the draft...millionaire...future of the franchise...Stars and future stars will always be treated differently, and OK4 can use the "kid-card" to escape full responsibility for his actions. Christian Wood would have been released if he had been the main culprit, no doubt about that.

Maybe there should be probational contracts for players until they reach 21, with them getting mostly non-guaranteed money. Maybe this teaches them to be responsible adults because they might lose some $$.

Where is my good friendholfresh, now...a poster who more than once made fun of Phil looking at a player's character and background when considering drafting him.

Wonder if they end up finding some stuff in OK4's past that gives us an idea of why he is acting as he is.

The Sixers' brass really has to be held accountable too if they had knowledge of the type of things he's been doing, because they've clearly dropped the ball with OK4 so far.

Will be interesting to see what the consequences are.

Thank you WaltLongmire! Only guy talking sense on the OK4 issue.

19 years old don't excuse shyt! I'm sure the majority of you Knicks posters weren't out at 2AM assaulting people because they called you a name. SO WHAT that he was drunk! When I drink I laugh my phucking ass off and have a good time. Before I got married if I went clubbin and got my drink on I tried to chase some female tail, like any hot blooded male dude would. Not commit first degree aggravated assault. They say alcohol reveals your true self...if you're angry drunk, you have deep seated anger and rage issues. If you like to laugh and dance, you're a generally happy person. If you get quiet, reserved, and depressed you better get some professional help ASAP.

You guys need to step back and take this for what it is. Dude is a spoiled entitled immature punk bitch. Hope he serves time and gets some suspension thrown his way. Only way to learn his lesson.

You state that if you are an angry drunk then you have deep seated anger and frustration. Then go on to say that he only is acting out because he is spoiled. If he has anger and rage issues then that's something that requires attention in order to fix the problem at the root. Handing out punishment while nessesary most likely wouldnt fix the problem at the root.

It could very well be only because he is a rich spoiled athlete. But there isn't enougj info to immedeatly come to this conclusion and its a lazy analysts of a player WS don't know enough about to come to any real conclusions.

It's not a first time occurrence though. He's a repeat offender. He fought twice in the span of weeks. Fought someone in Philly and again in Boston. Caught doing 108MPH on a small ass Ben Franklin bridge in Philly. His behavior is now a trend of someone immature and self-destructive.

Sometimes you just have to serve your just punishment before you "wake up". And where the phuck is his dad in all this? If that was my son, I'd phucking teach a real lesson, 7 foot tall or not. That's the real crime....bad parenting.

I have no problem with him receiving punishment. Just not ready to claim he is a piece of **** yet who is strictly trying to game the system. And even if he was. What is it that made him that way. And if he was brought up that way as a child which molded him into a spoiled destructive person he has started to become. Then attaking his character wouldnt mean anything as the way he was molded as a child is what turned him into this.

In the video it shows ppl following him as he was walking away. Talking **** to him while filming. While it doesn't warrant being assaulted though we don't know 100% what was said. They are just as guilty. And they all have questionable character or they were all drunk.

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He was intoxicated, he is clearly angry on the inside which allowed the hecklers and alcohal to release his anger. Do t want to put to much judgement on the actions of a drunk teen. He may need counseling though on how to deal with the anger he has inside and better ways to deal with it then alcohal.

Too many incidents for the Sixers to have not suspended him already.

This is one of the reasons I took early retirement as a NYC teacher a few years ago.

I was also the head disciplinary Dean in the school for over 5 years and it was easy to see where things were going. The person I answered to did everything to put the students word above those of the teachers and to minimize punishment for statistical reasons, and it got to the point that if you used humor and it could be interpreted the wrong way by a kid the teacher might face discipline. Kids are gaming a system that no longer holds them accountable. This goes for schoolwork and behavior in the school. Many teachers are fearful of giving kids the grades they deserve because it will look bad for the teacher.

This is the kind of atmosphere OK4 will have come from, and as a star athlete, OK4 would also benefit from the special privileges they usually get, too.

Self-discipline and self-criticism are gone- only things that matter are a kid's self-esteem and making him/her think that anything they do is special, even if it is mediocre.

I expect that OK4's father has probably been a negative influence on him, too. Clearly the kid has little self-discipline. Maybe he wasn't listening when somebody told him the "sticks and stones" advice for dealing with verbal abuse.

I don't want to hear that he is only 19. If this is an excuse for younger players then they should not be getting all the money they are being given or be allowed in the league in the first place. These guys are playing against adults in an adult league. Maybe 21 should be the minimum age for players coming into the league.

People's lives are actually affected by this type of crap, and people might be fired because of what has happened. Of course OK4 has nothing to worry about. 3rd pick in the draft...millionaire...future of the franchise...Stars and future stars will always be treated differently, and OK4 can use the "kid-card" to escape full responsibility for his actions. Christian Wood would have been released if he had been the main culprit, no doubt about that.

Maybe there should be probational contracts for players until they reach 21, with them getting mostly non-guaranteed money. Maybe this teaches them to be responsible adults because they might lose some $$.

Where is my good friendholfresh, now...a poster who more than once made fun of Phil looking at a player's character and background when considering drafting him.

Wonder if they end up finding some stuff in OK4's past that gives us an idea of why he is acting as he is.

The Sixers' brass really has to be held accountable too if they had knowledge of the type of things he's been doing, because they've clearly dropped the ball with OK4 so far.

Will be interesting to see what the consequences are.

Thank you WaltLongmire! Only guy talking sense on the OK4 issue.

19 years old don't excuse shyt! I'm sure the majority of you Knicks posters weren't out at 2AM assaulting people because they called you a name. SO WHAT that he was drunk! When I drink I laugh my phucking ass off and have a good time. Before I got married if I went clubbin and got my drink on I tried to chase some female tail, like any hot blooded male dude would. Not commit first degree aggravated assault. They say alcohol reveals your true self...if you're angry drunk, you have deep seated anger and rage issues. If you like to laugh and dance, you're a generally happy person. If you get quiet, reserved, and depressed you better get some professional help ASAP.

You guys need to step back and take this for what it is. Dude is a spoiled entitled immature punk bitch. Hope he serves time and gets some suspension thrown his way. Only way to learn his lesson.

You state that if you are an angry drunk then you have deep seated anger and frustration. Then go on to say that he only is acting out because he is spoiled. If he has anger and rage issues then that's something that requires attention in order to fix the problem at the root. Handing out punishment while nessesary most likely wouldnt fix the problem at the root.

It could very well be only because he is a rich spoiled athlete. But there isn't enougj info to immedeatly come to this conclusion and its a lazy analysts of a player WS don't know enough about to come to any real conclusions.

It's not a first time occurrence though. He's a repeat offender. He fought twice in the span of weeks. Fought someone in Philly and again in Boston. Caught doing 108MPH on a small ass Ben Franklin bridge in Philly. His behavior is now a trend of someone immature and self-destructive.

Sometimes you just have to serve your just punishment before you "wake up". And where the phuck is his dad in all this? If that was my son, I'd phucking teach a real lesson, 7 foot tall or not. That's the real crime....bad parenting.

I have no problem with him receiving punishment. Just not ready to claim he is a piece of **** yet who is strictly trying to game the system. And even if he was. What is it that made him that way. And if he was brought up that way as a child which molded him into a spoiled destructive person he has started to become. Then attaking his character wouldnt mean anything as the way he was molded as a child is what turned him into this.

In the video it shows ppl following him as he was walking away. Talking **** to him while filming. While it doesn't warrant being assaulted though we don't know 100% what was said. They are just as guilty. And they all have questionable character or they were all drunk.

What made him that way? Probably getting made fun of growing up in Chi-Town after his Mom died. Probably got thin skin and picked on because he was almost 7 foot tall in grade school.

He turned all that negative into bball and now that he's "the man" and making multimillions is returning the favor to all that wronged him. Entitled brat syndrome.

Also, he and his crew were the instigators and aggressors the whole time. They were the ones hitting up the women in the innocent Knockout dude's crew:

http://www.tmz.com/2015/12/02/jahlil-okafor-fight-2nd-victim-threatens-lawsuit-im-hurt-and-embarrassed/

Yea. So let's turn all the attention to the guilty party. OK4.

newyorknewyork wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He was intoxicated, he is clearly angry on the inside which allowed the hecklers and alcohal to release his anger. Do t want to put to much judgement on the actions of a drunk teen. He may need counseling though on how to deal with the anger he has inside and better ways to deal with it then alcohal.

Too many incidents for the Sixers to have not suspended him already.

This is one of the reasons I took early retirement as a NYC teacher a few years ago.

I was also the head disciplinary Dean in the school for over 5 years and it was easy to see where things were going. The person I answered to did everything to put the students word above those of the teachers and to minimize punishment for statistical reasons, and it got to the point that if you used humor and it could be interpreted the wrong way by a kid the teacher might face discipline. Kids are gaming a system that no longer holds them accountable. This goes for schoolwork and behavior in the school. Many teachers are fearful of giving kids the grades they deserve because it will look bad for the teacher.

This is the kind of atmosphere OK4 will have come from, and as a star athlete, OK4 would also benefit from the special privileges they usually get, too.

Self-discipline and self-criticism are gone- only things that matter are a kid's self-esteem and making him/her think that anything they do is special, even if it is mediocre.

I expect that OK4's father has probably been a negative influence on him, too. Clearly the kid has little self-discipline. Maybe he wasn't listening when somebody told him the "sticks and stones" advice for dealing with verbal abuse.

I don't want to hear that he is only 19. If this is an excuse for younger players then they should not be getting all the money they are being given or be allowed in the league in the first place. These guys are playing against adults in an adult league. Maybe 21 should be the minimum age for players coming into the league.

People's lives are actually affected by this type of crap, and people might be fired because of what has happened. Of course OK4 has nothing to worry about. 3rd pick in the draft...millionaire...future of the franchise...Stars and future stars will always be treated differently, and OK4 can use the "kid-card" to escape full responsibility for his actions. Christian Wood would have been released if he had been the main culprit, no doubt about that.

Maybe there should be probational contracts for players until they reach 21, with them getting mostly non-guaranteed money. Maybe this teaches them to be responsible adults because they might lose some $$.

Where is my good friendholfresh, now...a poster who more than once made fun of Phil looking at a player's character and background when considering drafting him.

Wonder if they end up finding some stuff in OK4's past that gives us an idea of why he is acting as he is.

The Sixers' brass really has to be held accountable too if they had knowledge of the type of things he's been doing, because they've clearly dropped the ball with OK4 so far.

Will be interesting to see what the consequences are.

There isn't enough detail about OK4s life as he grew up to make these kind of claims. Seems more like you have become cynical due to your experiences.

He was recruited by Duke who hold character to a very high standard and there weren't any major character concerns on any scouting reports that have shown a trend of him being a problem child until now.

He should be suspended for his actions absolutely. That doesn't mean I have to destroy the kid as some type of piece of ****. The proper way to go about things is to first see of he needs some type of help. Then that would decide if he needs strict punishment as a better avenue as punishment isn't always the way to fix the problem.

Found out that I was cynical before I even knew what the word meant. I am speculating completely about his past and why he is the way he is.

We do know that stories abound of high end athletes-especially college athletes- who are given the benefit of the doubt because they are athletes, and are treated differently for this reason.

I will say that as a teacher and disciplinarian of 26 years and someone who coached over 20 and have been involved in sports or education in one form or another for most of my life, I've seen changes in how kids are dealt with, and I think the sense of entitlement and unrealistic expectations that has been fostered by parents and educators more concerned with stroking and protecting a young person's self-esteem than teaching them to be self-critical, is a cause of many problems.

What did the Sixers know...and when did they find out? I'll put a lot of blame of them if they did not deal with the early incidents

Gun incident (Was it another club/bar related incident?)

Fake ID (club/bar related)

Speeding at 108

Assaulting someone when he was probably drunk (club/bar incident)

Have they suspended him or fined him prior to us finding out all of this stuff? Why was he not given a bodyguard after the first incident?

I looked at his life a bit when I did a pre-draft thread for him http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=51343&page=1 and did not find anything bad about him...except his defense.

When I'm on this forum I feel like an old-school prude sometimes posting about this kind of stuff from athletes today, which seems more prevalent these days, unfortunately.

ChuckBuck wrote:2 games suspension from Philly. Wonder if there will be any other penalties from the league.

Hopefully this guy turns his life around. He got a ton of talent, dumb as shyt still. He needs his dad or someone to break his ass off. Just was spiraling down the wrong path at such a young age.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/672187331395371008

I will say that in some ways the Sixers look even worse because it took the media to shame them.

This happens a lot with the police who shoot unarmed folks...nothing seems to happen, or things move very slowly, unless and until a video pops up.

This should have been done earlier, and they should have addressed his problems earlier.

He's probably going to have to pay the guy he hit a large out of court settlement, now, or he might have to go to court.

dk7th wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:2 games suspension from Philly. Wonder if there will be any other penalties from the league.

Hopefully this guy turns his life around. He got a ton of talent, dumb as shyt still. He needs his dad or someone to break his ass off. Just was spiraling down the wrong path at such a young age.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Sixers/status/672187331395371008

There is one part of me that wanted him to play tonight. Not the same for me if we win, more embarrassing if we lose.

I will say that in some ways the Sixers look even worse because it took the media to shame them.

This happens a lot with the police who shoot unarmed folks...nothing seems to happen, or things move very slowly, unless and until a video pops up.

This should have been done earlier, and they should have addressed his problems earlier.

He's probably going to have to pay the guy he hit a large out of court settlement, now, or he might have to go to court.

the victim should not settle. if he does the all it does is reinforce a set of values that the potential felon has exhibited.

OK4 will end up learning a lesson. 2 game suspension from Sixers...maybe more from the NBA, and he will probably have to pay out a lot of money to the victim.

Lots of $$ will be lost, and he loses face, and maybe some endorsement deals.

Hopefully it ends up being a positive turning point for him, and not the beginning of long decline.

Sixers have to start building a franchise, though. Winning heals a lot of wounds, but they have to begin the process of finalizing a roster for the future.

Nalod drove over the Tampa bay bridge at over 100mph in 1979 in a 1975 oldsmobile cutless. Im gonna guess his ride was better than mine and safer. Young guy in a fast car, "god forbid".
The fight was really the bad one here and he could have killed that kid with one punch. Raging on video for the world to see is not doing anything to help all he worked for and what he hoped to be.
Its pretty easy but you "got money" then have some security with you at the club and when you leave have a car waiting for you. Don't be on the street. Someone wants to punk a celeb. That punch might not be criminal but it could be civil and cost him some money.

Reality is if this kid was there at the 4 we'd have likely taken him.

regarding leadership in locker room its important. Wiz tried a big youth movement and it failed which improved when they started to blend in Vets like Nene to bring stability.
Im taking about on the court play. Lots of guys don't heed warnings or advice.

Dumb ass Johnny Manzeil is the current poster child for stupidity.

dk7th wrote:

Nalod wrote:KP was already a pro. Oka4 from what I know is a good kid and no doubt feeling his wealth and privilege while under a lot of pressure to perform.

Nalod drove over the Tampa bay bridge at over 100mph in 1979 in a 1975 oldsmobile cutless. Im gonna guess his ride was better than mine and safer. Young guy in a fast car, "god forbid".
The fight was really the bad one here and he could have killed that kid with one punch. Raging on video for the world to see is not doing anything to help all he worked for and what he hoped to be.
Its pretty easy but you "got money" then have some security with you at the club and when you leave have a car waiting for you. Don't be on the street. Someone wants to punk a celeb. That punch might not be criminal but it could be civil and cost him some money.

Reality is if this kid was there at the 4 we'd have likely taken him.

regarding leadership in locker room its important. Wiz tried a big youth movement and it failed which improved when they started to blend in Vets like Nene to bring stability.
Im taking about on the court play. Lots of guys don't heed warnings or advice.

Dumb ass Johnny Manzeil is the current poster child for stupidity.

it's all water under the bridge but i think jackson would have either passed on okafor or made a draft night deal to get two top-ten or top-15 picks for okafor.

i think you have to look at his rpm too. http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/2/sort/RPM/position/9

among centers he ranks dead last and by a wide margin. and that ranking is not merely because he is on a bad team, either.

He plays a lot more minutes than most of those guys and on a losing team. Its all water under the bridge but he has all but said he'd take Oka4 and the knicks would have been a better team around him with Phil mentoring him. He would not have been averaging 32 min a game on the knicks.

Jahil has a great career ahead of him.